Which Pre ESO Game Was Your Favourite?

Samphaa · May 2016

Skyrim

I can't remember much of oblivion, I would have loved to have played morrowind when it was still new, I love the story of the tribunal and the battle of red mountain

ValarMorghulis1896 · May 2016

Skyrim

Skyrim. Dragons and D R A G O N S H O U T s!

Flameheart · May 2016

Skyrim

I played all of the "big three" above and it was a tough choice for me. I chose Skyrim because of the fact, that it provides the most "modability" and the biggest number of available mods when it comes to Nexus. Modding is the most important aspect for me when it comes to TES. While - for example - adding ENB for TES was not existing for Morrowind, had some impact for Oblivion, it is a godlike feature for Skyrim.

I still have a modded Skyrim installation on my PC which I update on a regular - almost daily - base. As I had two complete play-throughs yet, I just use it to stress my reference hardware to optimize visuals and doing screenhots in WQHD resolution and higher.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Morrowind

Morrowind!!!!
The mods alone, were... godlike.

Relationship mods, Vampire Mods, there was this HUGE Vamp Mod, The Underground.
And combined with say Slof's Vampire Faces...
AlienSlof had a ton of visual mods, btw.

Yes, Morrowind/Trib/Bloodmoon was beyond awesome.

Elsterchen · May 2016

Oblivion

Well, oblivion of course!

Its the only game I ever got scolded for in real life.

Well, trying to sell the "amulett of kings" makes some ppl (my friend) very angry and apparently it doesn't count that you are young, need the money and wanted to trade some shiney, shiney for good armor ...

If one then decides that little whining Martin Septin should get a grip and leave him halfway in the middle of nowwhere you might find yourself in a serious discussion/re-evaluation about your real life character, and be aware, the argument that you RP a filthy little thug doesn't get you out of it ...

Skyrim was nice and dragons are awesome ... sure... .Only the guards hunting me through the world bc I managed to cut them a tiny little bit while grinding down that monsterous dragon, well ... uhmmm.

raasdal · May 2016

Morrowind

Morrowind. Because it was the first one i played.

ZOS_DaryaK · May 2016

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

@ZOS_DaryaK you could have at least answered me so I could get the badge, boo to you and for not showing up in Cyrodil, again please be nice lol :P

Oh @Shadowfx1970, I couldn't possibly pick a favorite, that'd be like saying X is my favorite child, if I were a mom. No sir, just can't do it. Also, they won't let me into Cyrodiil anymore, not since that incident with the Emperor....

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

@ZOS_DaryaK you could have at least answered me so I could get the badge, boo to you and for not showing up in Cyrodil, again please be nice lol :P

Oh @Shadowfx1970, I couldn't possibly pick a favorite, that'd be like saying X is my favorite child, if I were a mom. No sir, just can't do it. Also, they won't let me into Cyrodiil anymore, not since that incident with the Emperor....

@ZOS_DaryaK in retrospect though, they all told you to chill on the Matze, but nooooo. You just had to have "one more stein full"...

lol

Destai · May 2016

Oblivion

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I think it's entirely accurate. Take a look at the amount of factions, the amount of quests, the requirements for guild advancement - all of it points towards streamlining the series. Sure you can assert the combat in Skyrim and you'd be right. But the story, the dialogue, all of it cannot compare to Oblivion and especially Morrowind.

profundidob16_ESO · May 2016

I remember playing ARENA on my AT 486 computer and I was blown away. Yes, sure I had played RPG games of the first 2D graphical generation such as "Phantasy" on my Commodore 64 but this was in 3D and never seen before !! It completely baffled me that such an experience was possible and it was a revelation to me.

One of the things I remember from ARENA that I liked in particular but never saw again in any of the next titles was puzzles ! I remember vaguely near the end of the main quest that I was in the midst of a deep dungeon and suddenly when trying to open a door I was confronted with stupid little word riddles and the game would not open that door for me unless I found a way to solve it !! Now you would simply google it but back then there was no internet and that door remained closed to me for days, almost driving me mad...

Moonscythe · May 2016

Morrowind

[/quote]

Well I won't deny any of that. As I think about it, you know what my biggest frustration is with this game?

Above all else, it should have at least been a sandbox world, which historically is the heart and soul of the Elder Scrolls franchise. Instead, it's largely theme park in nature.

We should have had spell/ability crafting, no rigid classes, horizontal progression, world building, and so much more.

Remember how awesome it was in Morrowind to find a quaint little shop in Balmora, murder the shopkeeper, and use the crates inside as your personal banking hideout? And then use a lock spell on the door when you left so NPCs wouldn't go inside? Man, those were the days.

But anyway, Camelot Unchained is indeed that type of game and as soon as it drops that's where I'm headed.[/quote]

I agree about wanting a big sandbox. I get so frustrated when I can't climb a rock or jump somewhere because the game won't allow it.

About Morrowind though; I never understood the people who murdered the shopkeepers. I just honed my thieving skills to get what I wanted from them but for a house with storage, I just jumped onto the balcony of the murdered Dunmer's house and unlocked the door. There was lots of storage, a big table for displaying unique weapons and a bed upstairs all free for the taking. I also used the upper floor of the inn in Caldera for convenience to Creeper. I guess i just never had the murderous spirit.

Asmael · May 2016

Morrowind

They say the first TES game you play is always your favorite.

Well, guess which one was my first...

Sausage · May 2016

Skyrim

Ive played ES games since Arena but I think Skyrim was the one which really rocked my socks off.

ZOS_AlanG · May 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Brace yourselves ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ql1DmvHJNA

I see they weren't brave enough to use the Daggerfall shop music.

Shadowfx1970 · May 2016

Can't Choose Just One

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

@ZOS_DaryaK you could have at least answered me so I could get the badge, boo to you and for not showing up in Cyrodil, again please be nice lol :P

Oh @Shadowfx1970, I couldn't possibly pick a favorite, that'd be like saying X is my favorite child, if I were a mom. No sir, just can't do it. Also, they won't let me into Cyrodiil anymore, not since that incident with the Emperor....

Ooh that sounds like a tasty story, thanks for the downloads now I just need to find some time to play.

Even if you could go to Cyrodil, I'd hide lol

bertenburnyb16_ESO · May 2016

Morrowind

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

I must admit Morrowind was the first in the series I played fully I did have a go at Arena that a friend had, but I missed Daggerfall which I hear was really good too.

They should certainly update and redo some of the classic games.

Patiently waiting for Skywind (Morrowind in Skyrim engine) Besides Star Citizen, it's the only other game I am actually excited for.

I've heard of Tamriel Rebuild (http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/)
but Skywind ...
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I want to take it out for dinner, wine and dine, then take it over to my place, put on some Barry White, pour in a night cap, ....

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

Morrowind

@bertenburnyb16_ESO

Haha, funny.

Page 3 I posted some screens of it

bertenburnyb16_ESO · May 2016

Morrowind

@WalkingLegacy

yeah I just saw the latest development vid,
quit your job, skip school, sell the kids!

https://youtu.be/PewuaPKnhnc

MasterSpatula · May 2016

Morrowind

Moonscythe wrote: »

About Morrowind though; I never understood the people who murdered the shopkeepers. I just honed my thieving skills to get what I wanted from them but for a house with storage, I just jumped onto the balcony of the murdered Dunmer's house and unlocked the door. There was lots of storage, a big table for displaying unique weapons and a bed upstairs all free for the taking. I also used the upper floor of the inn in Caldera for convenience to Creeper. I guess i just never had the murderous spirit.

I would always set myself up in the Balmora Council Club after Larrius Varro's "Little Story."

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

Morrowind

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

@WalkingLegacy

yeah I just saw the latest development vid,
quit your job, skip school, sell the kids!

https://youtu.be/PewuaPKnhnc

I've been waiting years my friend so no quitting my job just yet

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Brace yourselves ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ql1DmvHJNA

I see they weren't brave enough to use the Daggerfall shop music.

lol IKR . Still , despite the lack of popularity of prior titles , one of my favorite story lines of all time . The live actor short cut movies were so cool . Those guys actually weren't bad actors !

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

Morrowind

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Brace yourselves ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ql1DmvHJNA

I see they weren't brave enough to use the Daggerfall shop music.

The ghost of King Lysandus still haunts my dreams.
"Vengeaaance..."

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

Destai wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I think it's entirely accurate. Take a look at the amount of factions, the amount of quests, the requirements for guild advancement - all of it points towards streamlining the series. Sure you can assert the combat in Skyrim and you'd be right. But the story, the dialogue, all of it cannot compare to Oblivion and especially Morrowind.

Which still does not equal "dumbing down".

They may have made changes that you don't agree with in your own opinion but that doesn't make it "Elder Scrolls for Dummies".

And actually, I do like Skyrim's Story, Quests, and Dialogue better than Oblivion or Morrowind. Each game has been an improvement over the one before it, in my opinion (oops, there's that "O" word again...), and I expect TESVI to be the best one yet.

So why don't we all just quit trying to pass off opinion as indisputable fact?

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

Morrowind

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

@WalkingLegacy

yeah I just saw the latest development vid,
quit your job, skip school, sell the kids!

https://youtu.be/PewuaPKnhnc

Right there in the video is a great example of what made Morrowind so great.
It's at 8:55. Just look at that map, it is absolutely -littered- with locations to explore. Just the sheer density of unique locations to check out is the reason so many of my "just gonna finish this quest real quick" moments turned into all night affairs.

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

Morrowind

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I think it's entirely accurate. Take a look at the amount of factions, the amount of quests, the requirements for guild advancement - all of it points towards streamlining the series. Sure you can assert the combat in Skyrim and you'd be right. But the story, the dialogue, all of it cannot compare to Oblivion and especially Morrowind.

Which still does not equal "dumbing down".

They may have made changes that you don't agree with in your own opinion but that doesn't make it "Elder Scrolls for Dummies".

And actually, I do like Skyrim's Story, Quests, and Dialogue better than Oblivion or Morrowind. Each game has been an improvement over the one before it, in my opinion (oops, there's that "O" word again...), and I expect TESVI to be the best one yet.

So why don't we all just quit trying to pass off opinion as indisputable fact?

The only real "dumbed down" feature I can think of is the inclusion of the quest markers. The little arrow on your map that says, "go here" or "do this." Sure it's helpful for a lot of folks and makes the game accessible, but it also creates a sort of tunnel vision, discourages adventure, and makes the game more simplistic.

Having an NPC say, "There's a cave to the north where I lost my magic jock strap." and then having to head (roughly) north to find that cave, getting distracted on the way. Entering the wrong cave, finding some other quest, some loot you didn't expect, or even getting killed... That's a big part of what made Morrowind great. In game like Oblivion and Skyrim, you lose that because you know exactly where you're supposed to go, which makes it a lot easier to just ignore the little distractions along the way. And you can't even just turn of the Map Markers to recreate the experience, because the NPC dialogue assumes the map marker I there. The NPC's don't give you directions, because the dialogue is written with the assumption that it'll show up on your map. So if you turn them off, you don't even know which direction to start looking.

Other than that, I'd say the "dumbing down" phrase really needs to be changed to "streamlined."

Capsaica · May 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Nexus 6p duping

Yeah sorry I didn't think there would be too many people that would remember those but I should have included them.

I only got to enjoy Arena because Bethesda gave it away on their website a while ago.

Damn I missed that.

You didn't! Both Daggerfall and Arena are still available for free download:
Arena
Daggerfall

It should be noted that both require the use of a DOS emulator. Unless, of course, you have an old DOS system you keep for this very reason.

I had no idea!!! This just made me so happy...thank you! I played sooooo many hours of Daggerfall and never even got around to actually completing the story itself. I got way too caught up in looting and stealing stuff. But I sure knew how to pack a horse cart full of "worthless" dungeon loot though! 1 gold is 1 gold, ya know?

Morimizo · May 2016

Morrowind

Love them all, but this was my first, and will always have a very special place in me gaming heart.

svartorn · May 2016

Morrowind

I loved Skyrim, and I played Oblivion much longer after it came out as I was lost in the pit of WoW at the time.

Morrowind will always hold a place in my heart. Its difficult to go back and play now with its blocky graphics and clunky (compared to modern games) combat. I will always love it it the most based on sheer number of hours played though.

Ilsabet · May 2016

Skyrim

Skyrim is the only other Elder Scrolls game I've played, so that.

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I think it's entirely accurate. Take a look at the amount of factions, the amount of quests, the requirements for guild advancement - all of it points towards streamlining the series. Sure you can assert the combat in Skyrim and you'd be right. But the story, the dialogue, all of it cannot compare to Oblivion and especially Morrowind.

Which still does not equal "dumbing down".

They may have made changes that you don't agree with in your own opinion but that doesn't make it "Elder Scrolls for Dummies".

And actually, I do like Skyrim's Story, Quests, and Dialogue better than Oblivion or Morrowind. Each game has been an improvement over the one before it, in my opinion (oops, there's that "O" word again...), and I expect TESVI to be the best one yet.

So why don't we all just quit trying to pass off opinion as indisputable fact?

The only real "dumbed down" feature I can think of is the inclusion of the quest markers. The little arrow on your map that says, "go here" or "do this." Sure it's helpful for a lot of folks and makes the game accessible, but it also creates a sort of tunnel vision, discourages adventure, and makes the game more simplistic.

Having an NPC say, "There's a cave to the north where I lost my magic jock strap." and then having to head (roughly) north to find that cave, getting distracted on the way. Entering the wrong cave, finding some other quest, some loot you didn't expect, or even getting killed... That's a big part of what made Morrowind great. In game like Oblivion and Skyrim, you lose that because you know exactly where you're supposed to go, which makes it a lot easier to just ignore the little distractions along the way. And you can't even just turn of the Map Markers to recreate the experience, because the NPC dialogue assumes the map marker I there. The NPC's don't give you directions, because the dialogue is written with the assumption that it'll show up on your map. So if you turn them off, you don't even know which direction to start looking.

Other than that, I'd say the "dumbing down" phrase really needs to be changed to "streamlined."

I can agree with this. I think a nice "middle-ground" would be to make the Quest markers a toggle option in the game settings menus. This would give the new players to the series a bit of a helping hand, but for the many veterans of the series who would like to actually go and discover it all on their own (which includes figuring out the locations based upon the given dialogue) the level of challenge that they're looking for.

But also going along with that, the writers would need to add more descriptive test to the dialogue options to facilitate those who're wanting to "Lewis and Clark it" in that manner.

I think just adding in a relatively minor change like this would go quite a long way with many players.