Which Pre ESO Game Was Your Favourite?

Ser Lobo

Can't Choose Just One

Ooh, and dual wield! How could I forget Skyrim and it's addition with dual wielding?

Aisle9

Morrowind

Story wise, oblivion was better, but Morrowind's combat system was fantastic

Danikat

Oblivion

Morrowind was my first and I've played all 3 about equally, but Oblivion has to be my favourite.

I feel like the character customisation and gameplay generally was the closest to being exactly what I want from an RPG. Morrowind was too fiddly, too many details and Skyrim was too simplified.

But I also like the setting and the story more (which is surprising because normally sticking dragons in anything is a way to make it better in my opinion) and....I just get more into playing it. I go back to all of them periodically and Oblivion is always the one that holds my interest the longest.

Solariken

Morrowind

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

MarrazzMist

Oblivion

Oblivion was my first, and it was amazing, with amazing contrast with Shivering Isles expansion. I sunk a few hundred hours until I started to feel game repeating itself.

Then again I played Skyrim well over 600 hours, loved dual wielding, grafting and wide grasslands with mammoths. Expansions were good, but they continued the within the similar world.

I tried Morrowind, but couldn't get pass the old mechanics.. May try again someday.

WalkingLegacy

Morrowind

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

And that's where ESO screws itself over because their director, Matt Firor, is constantly quoting how their not a traditional MMO.

It's so confused the leader doesn't even know what the game is!

ForlornBeliever

Skyrim

They were all good but Skyrim was the best hands-down. That said though, each had some aspects better than another but my fave is still Skyrim.

rotaugen454

Civilization...


Oh, you mean which Elder Scrolls game? I like them all, but will go with Oblivion, as I liked my castle.

Browiseth

Oblivion

I'm gonna say Oblivion because of my soft spot for how poorly it's aged

I also hate Morrowind and I've played Skyrim to a point where it's lost all meaning, like repeating a word over and over until it sounds weird.

-grabs flameshield for disliking Morrowind-

Also why is Daggerfall not on the list? That game is great.

Rex-Umbra

Morrowind

Daggerfall was great but Morrowind hooked me.

WalkingLegacy

Morrowind

Browiseth wrote: »

I'm gonna say Oblivion because of my soft spot for how poorly it's aged

I also hate Morrowind and I've played Skyrim to a point where it's lost all meaning, like repeating a word over and over until it sounds weird.

-grabs flameshield for disliking Morrowind-

Also why is Daggerfall not on the list? That game is great.

You're gonna need Eleidon's Ward for the aggro you just pulled.

Browiseth

Oblivion

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

I'm gonna say Oblivion because of my soft spot for how poorly it's aged

I also hate Morrowind and I've played Skyrim to a point where it's lost all meaning, like repeating a word over and over until it sounds weird.

-grabs flameshield for disliking Morrowind-

Also why is Daggerfall not on the list? That game is great.

You're gonna need Eleidon's Ward for the aggro you just pulled.

Aw dude, I don't even care anymore. TES: III has broken me with my sheer hatred for it

BomblePants

Skyrim

Fus Ro Dah..... it was my first ever ES game and I remember my adventures with Serana fondly.

Calling dragons, trapping dragons - riding dragons....

Moonscythe

Morrowind

Each game had it's strong points and weaknesses. Morrowind's combat was a bit frustrating; but I loved the story and got completely involved in it. In Oblivion, I also got into the story though it felt less personal than Morrowind's. I did love having the mage tower home. I played hundreds of hours over 2 years in Skyrim and didn't even begin most of the story lines beyond the main so it had to be doing something right. It was beautiful and more than any other TES invited me to just explore. Skyrim also got marksman right and I love the bow. Oh, it also had dragons, need I say more? I have gone back into Morrowind but the clunky combat can be a bother even if I forgive the graphics. I find it harder to revisit Oblivion and Skyrim is too recent for me to do anything new in it since I'm not even vaguely interested in the story lines I skipped.

WalkingLegacy

Morrowind

Browiseth wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

I'm gonna say Oblivion because of my soft spot for how poorly it's aged

I also hate Morrowind and I've played Skyrim to a point where it's lost all meaning, like repeating a word over and over until it sounds weird.

-grabs flameshield for disliking Morrowind-

Also why is Daggerfall not on the list? That game is great.

You're gonna need Eleidon's Ward for the aggro you just pulled.

Aw dude, I don't even care anymore. TES: III has broken me with my sheer hatred for it

Aww, that is just the best shield in the game and one of the few artifacts in the game world.

Was real easy to get once you figured out where it was. That was one of my favorite things about Morrowind. (Hunting for artifacts)

Armitas

Skyrim

Skyrim, because I love ice.

Uriel_Nocturne

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I've played since Daggerfall. The game evolving with each iteration is not a "dumbing down", it's the natural progression of a series. You say "Skyrim doesn't compare". I'll counter that with my own opinion which is that Skyrim is the best in the series, and a great example of the natural evolution of a series as technology and player popularity allow them to try different and better things.

As for your second point; If you want a PvP-centric MMO, go check out BDO. That garbage game is built around Open World PvP from what I've seen. And as for what you think it should have been, that's irrelevant. What ESO is, is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second.

You say that there are "enough traditional MMO's out there already", yet every one that gets released does better for population than any other game in any other genre. They keep selling, and people keep playing. They're still very much in demand, which refutes what you think pretty soundly.

If you want more PvP, go play a MOBA. They're designed for nothing but that, and by your posts, that seems like what you really want.

For Clarity: I'm not trying to offend, but by the content of your posts, those MOBA's and Open-World-PvP type of game seem to be what you wish ESO had been. And by that, maybe those other games might fit your desires better?

Xandryah

I loved the music of Oblivion and also the calm and relaxing athmosphere and the voicing of the NPC.... and the water rendering on the Xbox..

Skyrim , i only played a bit, then i got fed up with the quest (system) and discovered Mass Effect.... the music was also pretty great...

Morrowind, was my first and I liked the open world concept and the game too, but i could not figure it out... it was sth very new for me

Here i miss the rather relaxed gaming experience , especially in PvP , where combat feels like a 2D spacing shooter, where you can get killed in an instant... the combat feel is 180 degrees opposite to Oblivion...

It's better though than 2014, i managed to kill in 1v1 ^^ but i also got killed twice by 1 player just spamming an aoe-skill...in non-cp-campaign...

Asherons_Call

Oblivion

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I agree with you that you can't compare ESO to any of the elder scrolls games, however his statement about the single player elder scrolls games getting progressively dumbed down is 100% true

ZOS_DaryaK

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Nexus 6p duping

Yeah sorry I didn't think there would be too many people that would remember those but I should have included them.

I only got to enjoy Arena because Bethesda gave it away on their website a while ago.

Damn I missed that.

You didn't! Both Daggerfall and Arena are still available for free download:
Arena
Daggerfall

It should be noted that both require the use of a DOS emulator. Unless, of course, you have an old DOS system you keep for this very reason.

Uriel_Nocturne

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

I agree with you that you can't compare ESO to any of the elder scrolls games, however his statement about the single player elder scrolls games getting progressively dumbed down is 100% true

While you and I usually agree, Ash; this is one of those rare times we're going to be in disagreement.

While it's an opinion some people share, it's still an opinion, and it happens to be the opposite of mine.

Solariken

Morrowind

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I've played since Daggerfall. The game evolving with each iteration is not a "dumbing down", it's the natural progression of a series. You say "Skyrim doesn't compare". I'll counter that with my own opinion which is that Skyrim is the best in the series, and a great example of the natural evolution of a series as technology and player popularity allow them to try different and better things.

As for your second point; If you want a PvP-centric MMO, go check out BDO. That garbage game should be right up your alley. And as for what you think it should have been, that's irrelevant. What ESO is, is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second.

You say that there are "enough traditional MMO's out there already", yet every one that gets released does better for population than any other game in any other genre. They keep selling, and people keep playing. They're still very much in demand, which refutes what you think pretty soundly.

If you want more PvP, go play a MOBA. They're designed for nothing but that, and by your posts, that seems like what you really want.

@Uriel_Nocturne I don't know where all that hostility is coming from, but you're wrong. ZOS marketing for this game initially revolved almost entirely around PvP and how focal it was (supposed to be) to the game. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are HUGE parts of this game and despite so many people leaving the PvP community is still quite large. It's now clear that ZOS is in fact taking this game in a " Skyrim online" direction and shoving PvP to the back seat, and that is a massive mistake because ESO can never be as good of a PvE game as the single player TES games.

This game is living up to only a minute fraction of the potential for what a TES MMO could/should be.

kevlarto_ESO

Can't Choose Just One

I have enjoyed them all and each one has something I really like, be story or encounter, maybe Daggerfall, since it was the first one I played, and have been hooked ever since.

Uriel_Nocturne

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I've played since Daggerfall. The game evolving with each iteration is not a "dumbing down", it's the natural progression of a series. You say "Skyrim doesn't compare". I'll counter that with my own opinion which is that Skyrim is the best in the series, and a great example of the natural evolution of a series as technology and player popularity allow them to try different and better things.

As for your second point; If you want a PvP-centric MMO, go check out BDO. That garbage game should be right up your alley. And as for what you think it should have been, that's irrelevant. What ESO is, is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second.

You say that there are "enough traditional MMO's out there already", yet every one that gets released does better for population than any other game in any other genre. They keep selling, and people keep playing. They're still very much in demand, which refutes what you think pretty soundly.

If you want more PvP, go play a MOBA. They're designed for nothing but that, and by your posts, that seems like what you really want.

@Uriel_Nocturne I don't know where all that hostility is coming from, but you're wrong. ZOS marketing for this game initially revolved almost entirely around PvP and how focal it was (supposed to be) to the game. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are HUGE parts of this game and despite so many people leaving the PvP community is still quite large. It's now clear that ZOS is in fact taking this game in a " Skyrim online" direction and shoving PvP to the back seat, and that is a massive mistake because ESO can never be as good of a PvE game as the single player TES games.

This game is living up to only a minute fraction of the potential for what a TES MMO could/should be.

And I apologize for that. I re-read my own post, realized it was way more hostile than I ever intended, and edited it accordingly.

I apologize for misconstruing my own thoughts/words.

I disagree with the idea that PvP was going to be the center of the game. I've watched all of the same marketing, played in all of the same Beta's. What I saw was Zenimax trying to make an MMO that was evenly split in importance between PvE and PvP.

The problem is; while that's a noble goal, most people play MMO's for the PvE. Aside from MOBA's and specifically Open World PvP MMO's, the PvE segment of most every MMO on the market is also the most heavily populated side of MMO's. regardless if what Zeni's marketing tried to promote, players came to ESO for mainly two reasons:

1) It's a new MMO.
2) It's Elder Scrolls themed.

So regardless of how Zeni views this as "not a traditional MMO", it is an MMO. While the PvP population might be quite large, the PvE population dwarfs it. As far as the changes leading further and further away from PvP; well, Zeni is going to do what most every other MMO does. Adjust the game to fit the largest population.

I also don't think that they realistically wanted to "beat out" the SP Elder Scrolls. I think that Zeni just wants to have an Elder Scrolls themed MMO that holds its own amongst other MMO's. And they're succeeding there quite remarkably if the awards its winning are any indication.

WalkingLegacy

Morrowind

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I've played since Daggerfall. The game evolving with each iteration is not a "dumbing down", it's the natural progression of a series. You say "Skyrim doesn't compare". I'll counter that with my own opinion which is that Skyrim is the best in the series, and a great example of the natural evolution of a series as technology and player popularity allow them to try different and better things.

As for your second point; If you want a PvP-centric MMO, go check out BDO. That garbage game should be right up your alley. And as for what you think it should have been, that's irrelevant. What ESO is, is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second.

You say that there are "enough traditional MMO's out there already", yet every one that gets released does better for population than any other game in any other genre. They keep selling, and people keep playing. They're still very much in demand, which refutes what you think pretty soundly.

If you want more PvP, go play a MOBA. They're designed for nothing but that, and by your posts, that seems like what you really want.

@Uriel_Nocturne I don't know where all that hostility is coming from, but you're wrong. ZOS marketing for this game initially revolved almost entirely around PvP and how focal it was (supposed to be) to the game. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are HUGE parts of this game and despite so many people leaving the PvP community is still quite large. It's now clear that ZOS is in fact taking this game in a " Skyrim online" direction and shoving PvP to the back seat, and that is a massive mistake because ESO can never be as good of a PvE game as the single player TES games.

This game is living up to only a minute fraction of the potential for what a TES MMO could/should be.

And I apologize for that. I re-read my own post, realized it was way more hostile than I ever intended, and edited it accordingly.

I apologize for misconstruing my own thoughts/words.

I disagree with the idea that PvP was going to be the center of the game. I've watched all of the same marketing, played in all of the same Beta's. What I saw was Zenimax trying to make an MMO that was evenly split in importance between PvE and PvP.

The problem is; while that's a noble goal, most people play MMO's for the PvE. Aside from MOBA's and specifically Open World PvP MMO's, the PvE segment of most every MMO on the market is also the most heavily populated side of MMO's. regardless if what Zeni's marketing tried to promote, players came to ESO for mainly two reasons:

1) It's a new MMO.
2) It's Elder Scrolls themed.

So regardless of how Zeni views this as "not a traditional MMO", it is an MMO. While the PvP population might be quite large, the PvE population dwarfs it. As far as the changes leading further and further away from PvP; well, Zeni is going to do what most every other MMO does. Adjust the game to fit the largest population.

I also don't think that they realistically wanted to "beat out" the SP Elder Scrolls. I think that Zeni just wants to have an Elder Scrolls themed MMO that holds its own amongst other MMO's. And they're succeeding there quite remarkably if the awards its winning are any indication.

How do you know what the populations are?

Solariken

Morrowind

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

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Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

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Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

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Morrowind had a depth of gameplay and immersion that has not been matched since in my opinion. [1]It's really sad to see Bethesda dumb down the franchise in attempt to appeal to the fickle masses simply to make more money. [2]ESO is an abomination in that respect - it's the most superficial and watered down TES title to date. ZOS is lucky the combat is the best I've played in an MMO, I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise.

1) I really hate that phrase... it's in no way true, and in no way a good descriptor for the games changes.

2) That's because ESO is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second. It's an MMO with an Elder Scrolls theme. If you were thinking of ESO as a regular Elder Scrolls game with some "online" thrown in, then the problem is you and not the game. The development staff were very clear, many times, before/during/after ESO launched that this is not going to be "Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim Online". If you were still thinking it was going to be that, then you are the problem, not the game.

Take that as you will, but I think stepping back and getting a bit of perspective might do you some good.

Sorry if you don't like the phrase " dumbed down" @Uriel_Nocturne but that's the truth. Skyrim doesn't even compare to the depth of gameplay Morrowind offers. If you have a problem with the phrase, you probably didn't play the games in order of release like many of us.

ESO should have been TES first and PvP MMO second. The problem is they really tried to hybridize a bunch of game types/genres and it really sucked at first, though they have made some positive changes as they figure it out (IC is the the closest thing to what it should have been, IMO). I think this should have been a heavily PvP-centric game and leave the pure PvE questing to the single player TES games. Also, there are enough traditional PvE MMOs out there already.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I've played since Daggerfall. The game evolving with each iteration is not a "dumbing down", it's the natural progression of a series. You say "Skyrim doesn't compare". I'll counter that with my own opinion which is that Skyrim is the best in the series, and a great example of the natural evolution of a series as technology and player popularity allow them to try different and better things.

As for your second point; If you want a PvP-centric MMO, go check out BDO. That garbage game should be right up your alley. And as for what you think it should have been, that's irrelevant. What ESO is, is an MMO first, Elder Scrolls second.

You say that there are "enough traditional MMO's out there already", yet every one that gets released does better for population than any other game in any other genre. They keep selling, and people keep playing. They're still very much in demand, which refutes what you think pretty soundly.

If you want more PvP, go play a MOBA. They're designed for nothing but that, and by your posts, that seems like what you really want.

@Uriel_Nocturne I don't know where all that hostility is coming from, but you're wrong. ZOS marketing for this game initially revolved almost entirely around PvP and how focal it was (supposed to be) to the game. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are HUGE parts of this game and despite so many people leaving the PvP community is still quite large. It's now clear that ZOS is in fact taking this game in a " Skyrim online" direction and shoving PvP to the back seat, and that is a massive mistake because ESO can never be as good of a PvE game as the single player TES games.

This game is living up to only a minute fraction of the potential for what a TES MMO could/should be.

And I apologize for that. I re-read my own post, realized it was way more hostile than I ever intended, and edited it accordingly.

I apologize for misconstruing my own thoughts/words.

I disagree with the idea that PvP was going to be the center of the game. I've watched all of the same marketing, played in all of the same Beta's. What I saw was Zenimax trying to make an MMO that was evenly split in importance between PvE and PvP.

The problem is; while that's a noble goal, most people play MMO's for the PvE. Aside from MOBA's and specifically Open World PvP MMO's, the PvE segment of most every MMO on the market is also the most heavily populated side of MMO's. regardless if what Zeni's marketing tried to promote, players came to ESO for mainly two reasons:

1) It's a new MMO.
2) It's Elder Scrolls themed.

So regardless of how Zeni views this as "not a traditional MMO", it is an MMO. While the PvP population might be quite large, the PvE population dwarfs it. As far as the changes leading further and further away from PvP; well, Zeni is going to do what most every other MMO does. Adjust the game to fit the largest population.

I also don't think that they realistically wanted to "beat out" the SP Elder Scrolls. I think that Zeni just wants to have an Elder Scrolls themed MMO that holds its own amongst other MMO's. And they're succeeding there quite remarkably if the awards its winning are any indication.

Well I won't deny any of that. As I think about it, you know what my biggest frustration is with this game?

Above all else, it should have at least been a sandbox world, which historically is the heart and soul of the Elder Scrolls franchise. Instead, it's largely theme park in nature.

We should have had spell/ability crafting, no rigid classes, horizontal progression, world building, and so much more.

Remember how awesome it was in Morrowind to find a quaint little shop in Balmora, murder the shopkeeper, and use the crates inside as your personal banking hideout? And then use a lock spell on the door when you left so NPCs wouldn't go inside? Man, those were the days.

But anyway, Camelot Unchained is indeed that type of game and as soon as it drops that's where I'm headed.

Ser Lobo

Can't Choose Just One

I can honestly say I came to ESO because it was the next ES game, and it allowed me to play with friends.

The fact that it lacked a bunch of ugly floating numbers, keyboard 1-12 spam, and overly colorful buff/debuff timers floating all over the place ... that's what made it great for me and my friends.

I wanted co-op, without that 'oh my god the numbers' feel that MMO's leave a lot of people with. Been playing MMO's for a *long* time, and frankly? I'm starting to grow out of the nerd era of my life. I work every day, and would rather not come back home and work some more.

Gargath

Skyrim

I waited for Skyrim for so long, definitely longer than for Morrowind and Oblivion. Loved so much the trailers, was watching them multiple Times in different sources. Tbh I have to wait a bit until game become cheaper in sales but it's because it was so expensive on release...
When started Skyrim for the first time, I could not stop playing, every evening and free day, holidays, weekends... ended up with over 1200 real hours according to Steam.
This game is so dark with heavy climate, offers much deeper feelings than previous games, and this is what I wanted and anticipated. Open world, wonderful music, greatly enhanced graphics (with hi-res upgrades), fully localised to my native language, and gore with decapitations . Half a year after starting first character I have bought a new PC to be able to play in max settings and started another char from the begining. So far I played the game up to lvl80 in about 4 times. Still have it and play from time to time, mostly collecting all available books that are also localised, so I like to sit in my house near the fire and read in silence. The dark ambience in Skyrim is so special, like in no game before. What they made in this game with this ambience is absolutely brilliant. All experience with Skyrim will be well remembered as my best so far game ever, the most pleasant time in memory .

ShedsHisTail

Morrowind

I'm waiting for the ESO DLC which lets us explore Sotha Sil's clockwork city beneath Mournhold.

Also, spears. Can't figure out how the residents of Vvardenfell are the only people in Tamriel who've figured out how to affix a sharp rock to the end of a stick. This is not complicated technology, folks. You've had thousands of years to figure it out.

Sunver

Can't Choose Just One

I liked Morrowind for intense immersion, storyline, modding. I liked Oblivion for adding things I missed in Morrowind + beautiful graphics at that time and huge content. I liked Skyrim for being a worthy descendant of the two. The Elder Scrolls series is one of the best series ever made and I'm pretty sure ESO is going in the right direction to be worthy of an Elder Scroll game label.