Vampirism and lycnthropy as crown store items?

mrskinskull

I don't understand the logic of these long timers who want to complain about viable financial options in a game they like.

Why sit around trying to shut down an option that would make new or employed players stick around and keep the lights on?

Is it so when zos closes eso's doors you can say I told you that game would fail?
that's not worth anything to anyone.

Many people love this game and are being trolled because of a simple design oversight.

Zos can fix this and benefit new players. There's no down side except you already have your bite and don't want other people working 50 hours a week to enjoy the game as much as you.
Its actually kind of sad.

Go ahead. Argue. Its cute to watch you try.

mrskinskull

I don't understand the logic of these long timers who want to complain about viable financial options in a game they like.

Why sit around trying to shut down an option that would make new or employed players stick around and keep the lights on?

Is it so when zos closes eso's doors you can say I told you that game would fail?
that's not worth anything to anyone.

Many people love this game and are being trolled because of a simple design oversight.

Zos can fix this and benefit new players. There's no down side except you already have your bite and don't want other people working 50 hours a week to enjoy the game as much as you.
Its actually kind of sad.

Go ahead. Argue. Its cute to watch you try.

k9mouse

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

No. Just no. Actually, please no.

Doing stuff like that is pointless and will only lead down a disturbing road.

Give it a while and all the kids will go back to gta or cod

What happen to earn *ITEMS* and *SERVICES* ingame? If ZOS start selling bites in the crown store, it just leads to pay to win to the crown store and take *AWAY* from the game. What is wrong with working toward a goal anyways? One does NOT have to pay to be bitten, they are places ingame to get it for free via a NPCs. That is how WW and being a vampire started in the 1st place.

AlnilamE

mrskinskull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Work for it? How is paying some guy a few gold to get infected "working for it"?

Simple.

1. Use the internet to figure out the spawn times and places. This way you don't sit the same spot for a week when they only spawn on a certain moon.

2. Go to a spawn place where there's not 40 people. There is plenty, they don't spawn 1 per spot there's about 5-6 in the general area, there are 4 spawn spots. Which is the same for vamps/ww they just spawn on different moons.

3. Block. You get infected fast.


Done with my 15 minutes of research that me and my friends did when they decided to be vamps. Waiting until new moon, went to spot, 5 mins later, magical vamps appeared, 5 seconds later they were both infected. Sure beats waiting at shrines, spamming inbox's, posting countless threads... they even bite people for free as well after it.

Find a vamp spawn without 80 people at it, lol.
That's rarer than the vamps.
Plus there are players killing the vamps.

You are funny.
A bit slow.
But funny.

Go to the Silver or Gold zone. My sorc just ported there the other day to see if I could find a spawn spot at a location I knew and I found some bloodfiends just steps off the wayshrine and got infected.

I'm quite sure not many players are in the Silver zones yet on console that you can't find a spot that is not being camped.

If you can get to the Gold zones, even better! The spawns happen in The Rift, Bangkorai and Reaper's March and they will spawn in all instances of the zone.

With a little bit of patience, everybody that wants a bite will get one. Putting it in the crown store would take the fun out of it (of course, they could make it so that the Crown store would only sell 1 "bite" every 7 days... :-P)

mrskinskull

Hahhhhh!

A new friend I made in area chat a few days ago, just got troll robbed for 20,000 gold!

Here I am defending him and all the other new players against a particular kind of scum and he gets robbed literally minutes after I posted last night.

Zos cmon. Turn your area chat on and just ask 'whose been troll robbed for a bite?'

You will see I'm just the only actual player posting about a real problem of humans acting deplorable while enabled by ESO.

Do the right thing and put infections in the crown store.

UrQuan

mrskinskull wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Sounds good. Lets encourage ZoS to start selling skill lines in the Crown store. Then items with stats. Why play to get it when you can just drop another $20.00 and insta win?
Every one want new content? Too bad; but $50.00 will buy you a V14 character. Never be bored again with the same old content, just insta level with cash.

/sarcasm

There's no need for anger my friend.
I am just saying zos would be a hero to the community by offering the infection.
It could still be obtainable in game and would not change the game.

You don't seem to get the concept of slippery slope. Folks have tried to explain it to you and you ignore it.

I'd also like to add that you need to get better at getting a bite/scratch. It's a skill thing.

I understand a slippery slope argument as a rhetorical device and it is a false equivication. That's what a slippery slope argument is. Its loosely tying one event to another falsely implying one is the cause of the other.
If gays marry, then monkeys will marry, then cars will marry and traffic on the i-19 will be backed up for weeks.

That's what these slippery slope arguments are. False.
The horse option is exactly the same as an infection offering.
Why are people so against it if most already have it?
Its kind of pathetic to argue against a sound financial move on zos' part.

That's an awfully simplistic description of the slippery slope argument. The fact is that the slippery slope argument is typically a fallacy, but there are cases in which it is an entirely reasonable and important argument to make. Specifically this is when it is applied to a case in which an individual or group is clearly pushing boundaries to see what they can and can't get away with.

For example, you can apply the slippery slope argument to a bank introducing more and more fees on their accounts. Eventually if the customers keep accepting the new fees and not taking their business elsewhere in large enough numbers to negate the additional fee income, the bank will start charging fees on the transactions used to pay fees to the bank (note: this actually happened with one particular bank, which was then forced by a major outcry to stop charging people fees in order to pay fees).

For another example, you can apply the slippery slope argument to any number of conquerors throughout history. They may start off with invading a small neighbor to see if they can get away with it without having a coalition of other nations form to stop them. Then another neighbor, then another, until the entire region (or world) is at war.

eragard

It's like time was turned back to the beginning of the PC release. The same exact problems are happening on the console.

k9mouse

Why does a console / human problem have to mess with my PC version? ZOS, for the love of the GODS, don't put bites in the crown store! There must other ways to "fix the problem."

mrskinskull

AlnilamE wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Work for it? How is paying some guy a few gold to get infected "working for it"?

Simple.

1. Use the internet to figure out the spawn times and places. This way you don't sit the same spot for a week when they only spawn on a certain moon.

2. Go to a spawn place where there's not 40 people. There is plenty, they don't spawn 1 per spot there's about 5-6 in the general area, there are 4 spawn spots. Which is the same for vamps/ww they just spawn on different moons.

3. Block. You get infected fast.


Done with my 15 minutes of research that me and my friends did when they decided to be vamps. Waiting until new moon, went to spot, 5 mins later, magical vamps appeared, 5 seconds later they were both infected. Sure beats waiting at shrines, spamming inbox's, posting countless threads... they even bite people for free as well after it.

Find a vamp spawn without 80 people at it, lol.
That's rarer than the vamps.
Plus there are players killing the vamps.

You are funny.
A bit slow.
But funny.

Go to the Silver or Gold zone. My sorc just ported there the other day to see if I could find a spawn spot at a location I knew and I found some bloodfiends just steps off the wayshrine and got infected.

I'm quite sure not many players are in the Silver zones yet on console that you can't find a spot that is not being camped.

If you can get to the Gold zones, even better! The spawns happen in The Rift, Bangkorai and Reaper's March and they will spawn in all instances of the zone.

With a little bit of patience, everybody that wants a bite will get one. Putting it in the crown store would take the fun out of it (of course, they could make it so that the Crown store would only sell 1 "bite" every 7 days... :-P)

The timed idea is kind of cool.

Anything to create a legitimate alternative to new players being robbed or conned out of their money.

The console community is epic except for a few slithering bite chargers and worse yet bite troll con men.

Sallington

Why don't people just write a $200 check to ZOS and then tell people they beat the game?

mrskinskull

k9mouse wrote: »

Why does a console / human problem have to mess with my PC version? ZOS, for the love of the GODS, don't put bites in the crown store! There must other ways to "fix the problem."

Quiet.
A previous post already explained that bites are saturated on the PC version.
Nice try.

This is still a problem on console and if PC already has any bites they need, this is a win win.

Heromofo

mrskinskull wrote: »

Hahhhhh!

A new friend I made in area chat a few days ago, just got troll robbed for 20,000 gold!

Here I am defending him and all the other new players against a particular kind of scum and he gets robbed literally minutes after I posted last night.

Zos cmon. Turn your area chat on and just ask 'whose been troll robbed for a bite?'

You will see I'm just the only actual player posting about a real problem of humans acting deplorable while enabled by ESO.

Do the right thing and put infections in the crown store.

*Testing testing*

*clears throat*

"A fool and his gold are soon parted that is all"

@nastuug you will love this thread

mrskinskull

Just like the exp boost on ESO plus.

It would help with alts once you've done the 'work' on your main.

Infections in the crown store would be a win for players. A win for zos. And a giant qq for bite trolls.

k9mouse

mrskinskull wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Why does a console / human problem have to mess with my PC version? ZOS, for the love of the GODS, don't put bites in the crown store! There must other ways to "fix the problem."

Quiet.
A previous post already explained that bites are saturated on the PC version.
Nice try.

This is still a problem on console and if PC already has any bites they need, this is a win win.

No, it is not. I do not like the direction of this idea. Certain aspects should be *KEPT OUT* of the crown store and this is one of them.

Zorrashi

Vampirism and Lycanthropy in the crown store? I am highly against it, and I am not even a vampire on any of my characters.

Player camping and the eventual ease of attaining the disease in the future aside, I simply don't want to give zos the implication that everything of perceived value in this game should be monetized for 'convenience'. Allowing the player to instantly buy a level 50 character is convenient too but that doesn't mean they should do it.
ZOS is a business, and while I expect them to make money, they should also be subject to certain standards. One of which (imho) should more or less go along the lines of "Don't sell anything like skill lines (ex. vampirism)". If zos tries to monetize everything just because they can, it will cheapen the game.

With that said, both diseases should be easy enough to obtain when vamp/WW bites start becoming more available in the world. The mob campers can't stop it. Vampire/werewolf bites will eventually become cheap or free, and by that point all you will have to do is either ask a player to bite you or go through the relatively easy in-game system of obtaining one from an NPC spawn.

Imhotep71

Heromofo wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

While you're at it why not make killing Molag Bal a crown store purchase, or becoming emperor

That's a weak comparison.
No other players can prevent you from fighting molag ball as the can with the vamps.
Worse yet other players can't overcharge you for the crime of getting to the spawn point even minutes behind them. You were late to the game or didn't transfer your PC vamp so now you must pay 18 k .
Your argument is as tacky as a bite charger.

Crown store the item and move on.

All i see is boooohooohooo i missed out on my bite *crying*


Lol just admit it and i will turn you

Ill admit putting bites on the crown store is a terrible idea. There. Bite?

bertenburnyb16_ESO

No, just no

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Kavatchian wrote: »

I really want to be a vampire, but I'm just NOT buying a bite. I think that it kills the whole fun behind getting the bite perk. Buying your way into becoming vampire is just dumb. It would be more fun to have initiation rituals for the player to do or make them reach a certain rank. Not buy it.

Whenever I do become a vampire, and obtain the perk I promise not to be the person who sells it like a hooker.

You'll get offered a free one eventually I'm sure.
It also sounds(reads) like you're patient enough to wait for it. It wont be long before it'll be a lot easier to come by.
Some of these other consolers could take a page out of your book for sure. Good on ya.

lathbury

put an I win button in the console crown store problem solved

mrskinskull

Sallington wrote: »

Why don't people just write a $200 check to ZOS and then tell people they beat the game?

The game is not work. Its not a feat. Its an experience.

Everyone else gets this.

You don't win a roller coaster. You experience it.

You don't win a movie.
You might buy popcorn and soda to enhance your experience.

As a matter of fact, the people working the popcorn counter don't get paid if you don't.

Forum complainers are like those people complaining about the movie on their cell phone while everyone else just wants to partake in the well drafted experience.

Bite trolls are pouring motor oil on Styrofoam peanuts and trying to undercut the popcorn counter.

Why let them?

Infections in the crown store are a win win;)

lathbury

mrskinskull wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Why don't people just write a $200 check to ZOS and then tell people they beat the game?

The game is not work. Its not a feat. Its an experience.

Everyone else gets this.

You don't win a roller coaster. You experience it.

You don't win a movie.
You might buy popcorn and soda to enhance your experience.

As a matter of fact, the people working the popcorn counter don't get paid if you don't.

Forum complainers are like those people complaining about the movie on their cell phone while everyone else just wants to partake in the well drafted experience.

Bite trolls are pouring motor oil on Styrofoam peanuts and trying to undercut the popcorn counter.

Why let them?

Infections in the crown store are a win win;)

no they are pay to win

coryevans_3b14_ESO

mrskinskull wrote: »

I don't understand the logic of these long timers who want to complain about viable financial options in a game they like.

Why sit around trying to shut down an option that would make new or employed players stick around and keep the lights on?

Is it so when zos closes eso's doors you can say I told you that game would fail?
that's not worth anything to anyone.

Many people love this game and are being trolled because of a simple design oversight.

Zos can fix this and benefit new players. There's no down side except you already have your bite and don't want other people working 50 hours a week to enjoy the game as much as you.
Its actually kind of sad.

Go ahead. Argue. Its cute to watch you try.

Because it's people like you that RUIN games faster than even ZOS developers can.

It's a slippery slope. Once things like this show up it's just a matter of time before a game becomes full on P2W. I see it happen to most cash shops. They start out innocently enough and then bit by bit they add actual p2w items.

There are plenty of p2w games out there, stop trying to make this one p2w as well.

Heromofo

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

I don't understand the logic of these long timers who want to complain about viable financial options in a game they like.

Why sit around trying to shut down an option that would make new or employed players stick around and keep the lights on?

Is it so when zos closes eso's doors you can say I told you that game would fail?
that's not worth anything to anyone.

Many people love this game and are being trolled because of a simple design oversight.

Zos can fix this and benefit new players. There's no down side except you already have your bite and don't want other people working 50 hours a week to enjoy the game as much as you.
Its actually kind of sad.

Go ahead. Argue. Its cute to watch you try.

Because it's people like you that RUIN games faster than even ZOS developers can.

It's a slippery slope. Once things like this show up it's just a matter of time before a game becomes full on P2W. I see it happen to most cash shops. They start out innocently enough and then bit by bit they add actual p2w items.

There are plenty of p2w games out there, stop trying to make this one p2w as well.

As well as us *Old Timers* we do suggest ways to both make money and improvements we just dont go the whining route.


Look at the difference between my series Improving On ESO and Gidorick's Repository Of brillant Ideas to this thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168288/improving-on-eso-s01e01-player-housing-guild-halls-and-pvp-pve-options/p1

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

mrskinskull wrote: »

I think that if zos sells the service and uses the money for future dlc development, everyone wins!
Except trolls. Greedy pathetic bite chargers. They would qq.
I guess we would just have to find a way to live with ourselves.

I think it's a great idea for this reason alone.

I'm wallowing in delicious schadenfreude just THINKING about it.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Heromofo wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

I don't understand the logic of these long timers who want to complain about viable financial options in a game they like.

Why sit around trying to shut down an option that would make new or employed players stick around and keep the lights on?

Is it so when zos closes eso's doors you can say I told you that game would fail?
that's not worth anything to anyone.

Many people love this game and are being trolled because of a simple design oversight.

Zos can fix this and benefit new players. There's no down side except you already have your bite and don't want other people working 50 hours a week to enjoy the game as much as you.
Its actually kind of sad.

Go ahead. Argue. Its cute to watch you try.

Because it's people like you that RUIN games faster than even ZOS developers can.

It's a slippery slope. Once things like this show up it's just a matter of time before a game becomes full on P2W. I see it happen to most cash shops. They start out innocently enough and then bit by bit they add actual p2w items.

There are plenty of p2w games out there, stop trying to make this one p2w as well.

As well as us *Old Timers* we do suggest ways to both make money and improvements we just dont go the whining route.


Look at the difference between my series Improving On ESO and Gidorick's Repository Of brillant Ideas to this thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168288/improving-on-eso-s01e01-player-housing-guild-halls-and-pvp-pve-options/p1

Yup, I've read that before and i definitely approve of the vast majority of your ideas. Maybe ZOS should hire you!!!

mrskinskull

Heromofo wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

put an I win button in the console crown store problem solved

I left on on your mom. Just peel it off and use that one.;)

You know lol comments like that are going to get the wrong attention from Zenimax buddy.

Tsk tsk tsk

No. Its calculated.

Either zos is monitoring the thread or their not.

I'm curious.

UrQuan

@mrskinskull you should probably read the forum rules. Specifically the part about not throwing around insults and attacking other posters. As it is, you're most likely going to get banned and get this thread locked.

lathbury

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

I think that if zos sells the service and uses the money for future dlc development, everyone wins!
Except trolls. Greedy pathetic bite chargers. They would qq.
I guess we would just have to find a way to live with ourselves.

I think it's a great idea for this reason alone.

I'm wallowing in delicious schadenfreude just THINKING about it.

it's P2W and a bad idea if you like schadenfreude nothing is sweeter than seeing someone advertise want to sell bite then immediately advertising want to give away bite for free underneath.

Imhotep71

mrskinskull wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

put an I win button in the console crown store problem solved

I left on on your mom. Just peel it off and use that one.;)

With that statement right there you just lost any sort of legitimacy that your idea might have had. Now you're just some console kiddie that makes us all look bad

Sallington wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

put an I win button in the console crown store problem solved

I left on on your mom. Just peel it off and use that one.;)

Congrats ZOS. These are the types of players you bring to the community with B2P and a console launch.

Understand that a large portion of the console community is not like this guy. Even the PC community has jackwagons like this.

mrskinskull

UrQuan wrote: »

@mrskinskull you should probably read the forum rules. Specifically the part about not throwing around insults and attacking other posters. As it is, you're most likely going to get banned and get this thread locked.

I'm illiterate and you know i can't read. That's extremely offensive of you to say.

How dare you tell me to read!!??? I'm american!!
See I can be easily offended too.