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Console players - We want text typing chat?
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONaivefanboi wrote: »speaking with your wallet will probably have more impact then these forums. maybe they could make it a crown store feature? ill spend crowns buy the chat logs back. that way only those who buy it can see it use it and zos makes money.lol.
Ya because we should have to pay extra to get something that's a basic function in every other MMORPG PC & concole included.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enough
While I have plenty of relevant experience, ultimately I'm just a guy who has no problems using a keyboard and controller while sitting on my couch playing. Does that count for anything?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Honest question.
How many of you have or currently work for a large corporation for over 5 years?
How many of you have worked in marketing or outside sales for a publicly known entity?
Oh so now we're down to "I know better than you" arguements .... now you're just basicly trolling
What is wrong with you.
I'm trying to understand the audience...it was not directed at either side of the argument.
Trolling...cause I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation as the points I've shared make sense in those environments but may not outside of those.
That's my background so I thought to understand others as well
?????
does not matter what your ubackground is unless it has something to do with MMOs. CLEARLY, when the only MMO on console to not have text chat is hated, partially for that, should tell you, with no other arguments, text chat is something needed in MMO's
You guys are really off base.
The basis of this topic is around communication archetypes.
Understand someone's background is THE MOST important part of having any discussion or argument
If you don't care to understand who you're talking to and what point of view or perspectives they are coming from then it's just a back n forth where each person is saying the same thing over and over again and the discussion can't progress
That is where we are now...so stepping back, it helps
Yes but if your ok sharing any general (non specific) info about where your point of view comes from it may drive different understandings or questions that make sense
Maybe or maybe not but I'm trying.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNaivefanboi wrote: »speaking with your wallet will probably have more impact then these forums. maybe they could make it a crown store feature? ill spend crowns buy the chat logs back. that way only those who buy it can see it use it and zos makes money.lol.
Let's stay on topic. This comment doesn't help for those who are willing to keep the constructive part of the discussion going.
What's your backgroundEdited by NewBlacksmurf on 30 April 2015 15:58-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »
What is wrong with you.
I'm trying to understand the audience...it was not directed at either side of the argument.
Trolling...cause I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation as the points I've shared make sense in those environments but may not outside of those.
That's my background so I thought to understand others as well
?????
Because I knew it was a loaded question & you where going to go into how you have this PR & Marketing background.
But for the sake of answering I have over 20yrs experence Networking & Tech support for Sprint, I had to quit 7yrs ago when my Dad passed to take care of my housebound Mother. Now I work from home doing various contract work when I can to make ends meet.
Edited by Mirra_Halfelven on 30 April 2015 16:03Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
What is wrong with you.
I'm trying to understand the audience...it was not directed at either side of the argument.
Trolling...cause I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation as the points I've shared make sense in those environments but may not outside of those.
That's my background so I thought to understand others as well
?????
Because I knew it was a loaded question & you where going to go into how you have this PR & Marketing background.
But for the sake of answering I have over 20yrs experence Networking & Tech support for Sprint, I had to quit 7yrs ago when my Dad passed to take care of my housebound Mother. Now I work from home doing various contract work when I can to make ends meet.
Well hey..listen
Sorry about your loss but this is how to have a conversation and discussion. We aren't going to solve anything but understanding where each person is coming from is VERY helpful in these types of discussions.
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
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Uberkull✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »speaking with your wallet will probably have more impact then these forums. maybe they could make it a crown store feature? ill spend crowns buy the chat logs back. that way only those who buy it can see it use it and zos makes money.lol.
Let's stay on topic. This comment doesn't help for those who are willing to keep the constructive part of the discussion going.
What's your background
Actually you asking for people's backgrounds is offtopic. Please stop. It will only lead to personal information being revealed and conflict that isn't relevant to the topic.
EDIT: Too late on the reveal of personal information.
Marketing isn't the topic. Lack of a text chat box is the poll topic.Edited by Uberkull on 30 April 2015 16:15▬ஜ Seeds of War, Piles of Skulls ஜ▬
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✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMO
That is where my point of view comes from....I use a controller, I use a keyboard, I sit on my couch, I have no problems playing the game as is. It's not cumbersome or awkward.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
While I have plenty of relevant experience, ultimately I'm just a guy who has no problems using a keyboard and controller while sitting on my couch playing. Does that count for anything?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Honest question.
How many of you have or currently work for a large corporation for over 5 years?
How many of you have worked in marketing or outside sales for a publicly known entity?
Oh so now we're down to "I know better than you" arguements .... now you're just basicly trolling
What is wrong with you.
I'm trying to understand the audience...it was not directed at either side of the argument.
Trolling...cause I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation as the points I've shared make sense in those environments but may not outside of those.
That's my background so I thought to understand others as well
?????
does not matter what your ubackground is unless it has something to do with MMOs. CLEARLY, when the only MMO on console to not have text chat is hated, partially for that, should tell you, with no other arguments, text chat is something needed in MMO's
You guys are really off base.
The basis of this topic is around communication archetypes.
Understand someone's background is THE MOST important part of having any discussion or argument
If you don't care to understand who you're talking to and what point of view or perspectives they are coming from then it's just a back n forth where each person is saying the same thing over and over again and the discussion can't progress
That is where we are now...so stepping back, it helps
Yes but if your ok sharing any general (non specific) info about where your point of view comes from it may drive different understandings or questions that make sense
Maybe or maybe not but I'm trying.
I prefer it this way on my couch with my kb, my headset and my controller. I prefer having text chat for certain situations. I hear a @ZOS mod say, "it's not there because it's awkward using the kb on the couch" and I think, what the heck are you talking about? Where was I during this marketing study on couch-keyboard ergonomics and why didn't I get a chance to respond? I am the consumer that @ZOS is specifically leaving behind with this decision.
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭I'm not going to play console now that I've seen there is no text chatZoS does as ZoS does. Why they do is often a mystery but that's not something we can do anything about.
What it comes down to = If you don't like it, either
1) adapt
2) take your time and money to a product/company that shares your gaming values (or at least provides you with OPTIONS)
3) or (and this can be concurrent to the above) keep complaining and hope they listen.
Your $$$ is your main voice though. Not all of it, but that's what it ultimately comes down to for business.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMOZoS does as ZoS does. Why they do is often a mystery but that's not something we can do anything about.
What it comes down to = If you don't like it, either
1) adapt
2) take your time and money to a product/company that shares your gaming values (or at least provides you with OPTIONS)
3) or (and this can be concurrent to the above) keep complaining and hope they listen.
Your $$$ is your main voice though. Not all of it, but that's what it ultimately comes down to for business.
4. All of the above.
1 - I will adapt but for only as long as my RL friends force me to play the console, then I'll be back to PC when not with them.
2 - I will continue spending money at the PC crown store but will not enjoy the console enough to also purchase Console crown store items. Yuup that's money @ZOS is leaving on the table for not providing quality of life options on concoles for their customers, specifically this couch-keyboard warrior.
3 - Oh I will complain :PEdited by Cuyler on 30 April 2015 16:29Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »speaking with your wallet will probably have more impact then these forums. maybe they could make it a crown store feature? ill spend crowns buy the chat logs back. that way only those who buy it can see it use it and zos makes money.lol.
Let's stay on topic. This comment doesn't help for those who are willing to keep the constructive part of the discussion going.
What's your background
Actually you asking for people's backgrounds is offtopic. Please stop. It will only lead to personal information being revealed and conflict that isn't relevant to the topic.
EDIT: Too late on the reveal of personal information.
Marketing isn't the topic. Lack of a text chat box is the poll topic.
It's optional. If you don't want it it's cool
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »Honest question.
How many of you have or currently work for a large corporation for over 5 years?
How many of you have worked in marketing or outside sales for a publicly known entity?
I don't need to be a zoologist in order to call out a monkey for throwing his droppings around. I just say "Hey monkey. Stop throwing your feces at people".
Chat text in an MMORPG seems to me like basic, fundamental common sense.
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Honest question.
How many of you have or currently work for a large corporation for over 5 years?
How many of you have worked in marketing or outside sales for a publicly known entity?
Oh so now we're down to "I know better than you" arguements .... now you're just basicly trolling
What is wrong with you.
I'm trying to understand the audience...it was not directed at either side of the argument.
Trolling...cause I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation as the points I've shared make sense in those environments but may not outside of those.
That's my background so I thought to understand others as well
?????
does not matter what your ubackground is unless it has something to do with MMOs. CLEARLY, when the only MMO on console to not have text chat is hated, partially for that, should tell you, with no other arguments, text chat is something needed in MMO's
You guys are really off base.
The basis of this topic is around communication archetypes.
Understand someone's background is THE MOST important part of having any discussion or argument
If you don't care to understand who you're talking to and what point of view or perspectives they are coming from then it's just a back n forth where each person is saying the same thing over and over again and the discussion can't progress
That is where we are now...so stepping back, it helps
okay then, as someone who has CLEARLY played and understands more about MMOs and how they work then you, you are wrong.
what in the world does your background have to do with MMO's? nothing, nothing your background does has anything to do wether having a text option is bad.
It does not matter here, because you ahve no argument ayway, it is pretty obvious that you do not. There is not reason NOT to have such a basic feature.
You also have failed to talk about how one of Destinys most talked about FLAWS is lack of Text Chat.Edited by PKMN12 on 30 April 2015 16:400 -
Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enough
You don't see it. It's the same thing but on a different side.Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
:-)
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....Edited by Cuyler on 30 April 2015 16:49Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's just too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....
It only includes those who want it or those who are not against having it
You're focused on "hey, you can turn it off and not see it" but you excluding the cause and response.
When you add it, a group will use it and expect others to use it at least partially.
If you don't use it, then they will avoid those players.
It's the same with people who use voice chat vs those who don't want to use voice chat.
Adding text chat, even with the ability to turn it off further diverts the two groups (the two are voice chat and non voice chat) so it creates further separation amongst players.
I think the compromise which makes sense is building on the text chat emotes
Make sense?
It's just as hard to ask me to turn if off as it is to ask a voice chat to be turned off.
I completely understand that you then feel left with no way to communicate but the marketing plan isn't to have text chat via keyboard.
And the other options breaks up gameplayEdited by NewBlacksmurf on 30 April 2015 16:51-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »
You don't see it. It's the same thing but on a different side.Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
:-)
no, because you have no logic in this argument, you seem to be arguing for argNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's just too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....
It only includes those who want it or those who are not against having it
You're focused on "hey, you can turn it off and not see it" but you excluding the cause and response.
When you add it, a group will use it and expect others to use it at least partially.
If you don't use it, then they will avoid those players.
It's the same with people who use voice chat vs those who don't want to use voice chat.
Adding text chat, even with the ability to turn it off further diverts the two groups (the two are voice chat and non voice chat) so it creates further separation amongst players.
I think the compromise which makes sense is building on the text chat emotes
Make sense?
It's just as hard to ask me to turn if off as it is to ask a voice chat to be turned off.
I completely understand that you then feel left with no way to communicate but the marketing plan isn't to have text chat via keyboard.
And the other options breaks up gameplay
still see no argument. This is all wrong and you know it. I am not even going to bother ripping this argument to pieces because it does not even hold to the flimsiest of beliefs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNewBlacksmurf wrote: »
You don't see it. It's the same thing but on a different side.Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
:-)
no, because you have no logic in this argument, you seem to be arguing for argNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's just too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....
It only includes those who want it or those who are not against having it
You're focused on "hey, you can turn it off and not see it" but you excluding the cause and response.
When you add it, a group will use it and expect others to use it at least partially.
If you don't use it, then they will avoid those players.
It's the same with people who use voice chat vs those who don't want to use voice chat.
Adding text chat, even with the ability to turn it off further diverts the two groups (the two are voice chat and non voice chat) so it creates further separation amongst players.
I think the compromise which makes sense is building on the text chat emotes
Make sense?
It's just as hard to ask me to turn if off as it is to ask a voice chat to be turned off.
I completely understand that you then feel left with no way to communicate but the marketing plan isn't to have text chat via keyboard.
And the other options breaks up gameplay
still see no argument. This is all wrong and you know it. I am not even going to bother ripping this argument to pieces because it does not even hold to the flimsiest of beliefs.
While I understand your position I disagree and have shared why.
You're saying Indont get your position and it's wrong...
OK...odd
Let me make it plain and simple.
There are people like me who don't want to see text on their screen (ok turn it off)
There are people that don't want to need a keyboard for certain features (so there is no way to turn this off or anyway to get access based on what we played and what was presented)
There are people that on console are not bothered by ppl who don't want to chat with voice but they don't want to get pressure to use text chat too
Edit: or spend another $30 to $140 on a wireless keyboard as wired keyboards don't reach 10-16 feetEdited by NewBlacksmurf on 30 April 2015 17:09-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMOThe only thing having no text chat is going to accomplish is to drive off people who can't or wont use voice chat.
People who don't want to deal with pug group still wont use the LFG tool reguardless of voice only chat & go the route they did with Destiny & DestinyLFG.com
I can already see it ESOLFG.com
But in game you'll be excluding people who want to recruit for guilds, sell thier crafting services, ask for help, etc...
Excluding the deaf & mute, people in noisey households, females who don't want to deal with being hit & crap on everytime they speak to someone they don't know.
So ya I think asking the voice only crowd to suffer the inconvenience of either turning off chat or just ignoring it isn't a whole lot.Edited by Mirra_Halfelven on 30 April 2015 17:21Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughMirra_Halfelven wrote: »The only thing having no text chat is going to accomplish is to drive off people who can't or wont use voice chat.
People who don't want to deal with pug group still wont use the LFG tool reguardless of voice only chat & go the route they did with Destiny & DestinyLFG.com
I can already see it ESOLFG.com
But in game you'll be excluding people who want to recruit for guilds, sell there crafting services, ask for help, etc...
Excluding the deaf & mute, people in noisey households, females who don't want to deal with being hit & crap on everytime they speak to someone they don't know.
So ya I think asking the voice only crowd to suffer the inconvenience of either turning off chat or just ignoring it isn't a whole lot.
You're getting it.
That it. Because it's not marketing to that group.
Different comparison but similar marketing
Both Sony and Microsft have branded PC's but they also both have branded consoles.
One is keyboard/mouse while another is controller/headset.
ZOS is doing the same thing.
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »
While I understand your position I disagree and have shared why.
You're saying Indont get your position and it's wrong...
OK...odd
Let me make it plain and simple.
There are people like me who don't want to see text on their screen (ok turn it off)
There are people that don't want to need a keyboard for certain features (so there is no way to turn this off or anyway to get access based on what we played and what was presented)
There are people that on console are not bothered by ppl who don't want to chat with voice but they don't want to get pressure to use text chat too
Edit: or spend another $30 to $140 on a wireless keyboard as wired keyboards don't reach 10-16 feet
Repeat after me ... I dont have text chat on could you use voice chat please?
Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
You don't see it. It's the same thing but on a different side.Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
:-)
no, because you have no logic in this argument, you seem to be arguing for argNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's just too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....
It only includes those who want it or those who are not against having it
You're focused on "hey, you can turn it off and not see it" but you excluding the cause and response.
When you add it, a group will use it and expect others to use it at least partially.
If you don't use it, then they will avoid those players.
It's the same with people who use voice chat vs those who don't want to use voice chat.
Adding text chat, even with the ability to turn it off further diverts the two groups (the two are voice chat and non voice chat) so it creates further separation amongst players.
I think the compromise which makes sense is building on the text chat emotes
Make sense?
It's just as hard to ask me to turn if off as it is to ask a voice chat to be turned off.
I completely understand that you then feel left with no way to communicate but the marketing plan isn't to have text chat via keyboard.
And the other options breaks up gameplay
still see no argument. This is all wrong and you know it. I am not even going to bother ripping this argument to pieces because it does not even hold to the flimsiest of beliefs.
While I understand your position I disagree and have shared why.
You're saying Indont get your position and it's wrong...
OK...odd
Let me make it plain and simple.
There are people like me who don't want to see text on their screen (ok turn it off)
There are people that don't want to need a keyboard for certain features (so there is no way to turn this off or anyway to get access based on what we played and what was presented)
There are people that on console are not bothered by ppl who don't want to chat with voice but they don't want to get pressure to use text chat too
Edit: or spend another $30 to $140 on a wireless keyboard as wired keyboards don't reach 10-16 feet
so....basically what you are saying is "i do not use Text chat very much, that must mean NO ONE on console uses text chat and that people do not like voice chat and prefer to use text do not matter because they are clearly trolls"
You have also STILL failed to do anything about the whole destiny thing, one of Destinies MAJOR flaws that most people agree with IS LACK OF TEXT CHAT. the fact you seem to not understand such a simple concept baffles me.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
You don't see it. It's the same thing but on a different side.Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
How would putting text chat back in that they could either turn off or ignore exclude anyone?
They would have the choice to use it or not....
:-)
no, because you have no logic in this argument, you seem to be arguing for argNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Having shared mine above. I'm interested in why you feel the way you. If it has any bearing on your background or if it's something else unrelated but either way, while I'm not for having the feature added I'm not without desire to understand why people want it and where they are coming from or how they landed at their decision
Simply put your stance on this excludes people & limits, no, not limits ... removes thier choice. I don't know what other way I can say it other than that.
Ok but you understand on either side it excludes people...make sense?
No..that makes no sense. Having text chat includes everyone! Those who want it have the option to do so. Those who don't have the option to turn it off!
That's is why it's very hard impossible to agree with anything you're saying...because your argument is that it's just too much to ask you to simply turn off your chat box. I don't even....
It only includes those who want it or those who are not against having it
You're focused on "hey, you can turn it off and not see it" but you excluding the cause and response.
When you add it, a group will use it and expect others to use it at least partially.
If you don't use it, then they will avoid those players.
It's the same with people who use voice chat vs those who don't want to use voice chat.
Adding text chat, even with the ability to turn it off further diverts the two groups (the two are voice chat and non voice chat) so it creates further separation amongst players.
I think the compromise which makes sense is building on the text chat emotes
Make sense?
It's just as hard to ask me to turn if off as it is to ask a voice chat to be turned off.
I completely understand that you then feel left with no way to communicate but the marketing plan isn't to have text chat via keyboard.
And the other options breaks up gameplay
still see no argument. This is all wrong and you know it. I am not even going to bother ripping this argument to pieces because it does not even hold to the flimsiest of beliefs.
While I understand your position I disagree and have shared why.
You're saying Indont get your position and it's wrong...
OK...odd
Let me make it plain and simple.
There are people like me who don't want to see text on their screen (ok turn it off)
There are people that don't want to need a keyboard for certain features (so there is no way to turn this off or anyway to get access based on what we played and what was presented)
There are people that on console are not bothered by ppl who don't want to chat with voice but they don't want to get pressure to use text chat too
Edit: or spend another $30 to $140 on a wireless keyboard as wired keyboards don't reach 10-16 feet
so....basically what you are saying is "i do not use Text chat very much, that must mean NO ONE on console uses text chat and that people do not like voice chat and prefer to use text do not matter because they are clearly trolls"
You have also STILL failed to do anything about the whole destiny thing, one of Destinies MAJOR flaws that most people agree with IS LACK OF TEXT CHAT. the fact you seem to not understand such a simple concept baffles me.
It's not me. I play on PC with a controller and a keypad
It's not about me but rather about the target marketing group.
So going back to what ZOS describes. Their target is someone playing on a couch too far away to plug in a keyboard, too far to read text on a screen without enlarging it to make it obtrusive to the on screen experience. A group where 100% of the consoles come with a controller and headset unless obtained second hand.
This is the group. It has nothing to do with what Smurf does.
Destiny doesn't have any flaws based on its target market.
I've NEVEr since Destiny beta heard someone say...dang I wish I could type vs talk. And man I'd hand anyone their @$$ if they tried to PvP or PvE by text chat. It makes no sense on console
The people who continue to support and play the game... Do not Mention or share a thought for a second that this would be better with typing. Why, because what you'll learn when this releases is that console players play a lot faster because their hands are free...they aren't reading or waiting for someone to type.
Now that we've dealt with Destiny for console...
It's just not a good mix. I'd like you if you already paid for the console game to come over and do dungeons and raids.
The pace is completely different with no text and with voice chat.
Different in a better way just like the better PC raiding guild are voice chat "required" for that content.
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✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMOSmurf, you have rambled on relentlessly about why people can/will enjoy console w/o text chat.
Yet you have offered nothing to people who wish to play consoles with text chat, other than to say "too bad, go play the PC".
Both console crowds can be happy with optional text chat that can be turned off. Why can't you seem to wrap your head around this? Why must one choose one or the other simply to enjoy a standard feature found in every MMORPG?
I'll ask you again. Why do you think power windows are offered in every car model? Do you think it would be a good business decision for Ford Motor Co to only include power windows in the mustang?
Your argument is incredibly flawed.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughAlphashado wrote: »Smurf, you have rambled on relentlessly about why people can/will enjoy console w/o text chat.
Yet you have offered nothing to people who wish to play consoles with text chat, other than to say "too bad, go play the PC".
Both console crowds can be happy with optional text chat that can be turned off. Why can't you seem to wrap your head around this? Why must one choose one or the other simply to enjoy a standard feature found in every MMORPG?
I'll ask you again. Why do you think power windows are offered in every car model? Do you think it would be a good business decision for Ford Motor Co to only include power windows in the mustang?
Your argument is incredibly flawed.
You're asking the wrong person. Please ask ZOS as I'll will continue to repeat. I didn't decide not to put it on console.
I disagree that it should be added.
I believe ZOS has answered this but it's not my job to offer anything as I'm not a developer nor do I get paid to come up with such information for ZOS
Edit: I will say this...
Why does Microsoft make PC and Xbox and why does Sony brand PC and make Playstation
Maybe it's because certain markets don't mix based on whatever research and trends they've been using for 20+ years
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Uberkull✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there has to be text chat in a MMONewBlacksmurf wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »Smurf, you have rambled on relentlessly about why people can/will enjoy console w/o text chat.
Yet you have offered nothing to people who wish to play consoles with text chat, other than to say "too bad, go play the PC".
Both console crowds can be happy with optional text chat that can be turned off. Why can't you seem to wrap your head around this? Why must one choose one or the other simply to enjoy a standard feature found in every MMORPG?
I'll ask you again. Why do you think power windows are offered in every car model? Do you think it would be a good business decision for Ford Motor Co to only include power windows in the mustang?
Your argument is incredibly flawed.
You're asking the wrong person. Please ask ZOS as I'll will continue to repeat. I didn't decide not to put it on console.
I disagree that it should be added.
I believe ZOS has answered this but it's not my job to offer anything as I'm not a developer nor do I get paid to come up with such information for ZOS
Edit: I will say this...
Why does Microsoft make PC and Xbox and why does Sony brand PC and make Playstation
Maybe it's because certain markets don't mix based on whatever research and trends they've been using for 20+ years
I leave for an hour or so and you've managed to dig yourself such a deep hole that you'll never get out of.
You are babbling at this point, going on about marketing.
So with you marketing logic, ZOS is going to put this on the back of the console box that you buy at the store...
MICROPHONE REQUIRED, NO TEXT CHAT AVAILABLE
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✭✭✭✭✭No, voice chat is enoughNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »Smurf, you have rambled on relentlessly about why people can/will enjoy console w/o text chat.
Yet you have offered nothing to people who wish to play consoles with text chat, other than to say "too bad, go play the PC".
Both console crowds can be happy with optional text chat that can be turned off. Why can't you seem to wrap your head around this? Why must one choose one or the other simply to enjoy a standard feature found in every MMORPG?
I'll ask you again. Why do you think power windows are offered in every car model? Do you think it would be a good business decision for Ford Motor Co to only include power windows in the mustang?
Your argument is incredibly flawed.
You're asking the wrong person. Please ask ZOS as I'll will continue to repeat. I didn't decide not to put it on console.
I disagree that it should be added.
I believe ZOS has answered this but it's not my job to offer anything as I'm not a developer nor do I get paid to come up with such information for ZOS
Edit: I will say this...
Why does Microsoft make PC and Xbox and why does Sony brand PC and make Playstation
Maybe it's because certain markets don't mix based on whatever research and trends they've been using for 20+ years
I leave for an hour or so and you've managed to dig yourself such a deep hole that you'll never get out of.
You are babbling at this point, going on about marketing.
So with you marketing logic, ZOS is going to put this on the back of the console box that you buy at the store...
MICROPHONE REQUIRED, NO TEXT CHAT AVAILABLE
Towards the very bottom, in small print of course.
What Hole am I digging.
Let me make this plain.
Smurf did not "choose, decide, market, intend to, or neglect to" make the console version without text chat.
Nor did I design or create either console.
I didn't design, implement or present ZOS 's marketing plan for consoles. I shared it after so many in this thread made it clear that they hadn't even watched it.
ZOS , Microsoft and Sony made these decisions. Why...well each company is reaching a target market in their own right.
What goes on the back of the box is ZOS's decision. Maybe go look for yourself and see what each store lists. To me it's of no concern as I've already purchased the game and did so prior to knowing any details but because of whatever direction they were going. I decided, I wanted the experience on Xbox. My only hesitation was if the resolution was below 900p
Everyone here who wants text chat added or else falls into a "hole" so to speak or category that they are not going to play this unless their desires and expectations are met. That's normal, but knowing as of now and according to ZOS, that on June 9th keyboard support is limited and text chat is not included. You have to either go with or go elsewhere.
I'll be honest. That isn't necessary information to put on a box as MOST if not all online console games use a headset.
What is this hole that you refer to. Maybe ZOS has dug a hole in your eyes but I personally don't see it that way.
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