STRONGEST CLASS IN PVP? (POLL)

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

Spangla wrote: »

Go watch ezareth kill shiliza the 'unkillable' dk. It actually looks pretty easy.

I'll admit I've watched that video so many times, I've lost count...

Edit: Of which I was actually rewatching on my iPod when I replied, but didn't put 2&2 together until I went back to watching it.

pkb16_ESO2

DRAGONKNIGHT

Guess who is worst class???
the 9 votes for Templar are surely Jesus beam complainers... but hey... thell "fix it" so dont worry...

Temp is dead...

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

chongguang

SORCERER

After observing this thread since its post and making some discussion with players from other forums. I can give a short summary to the theme with less bias as I can.
First of all, PVP content can be divided into 4 parts or 4 purposes

1. Dueling
2. group pvp (both include large and small here)
3. roaming/soloing
4. getting score

For Dueling, all 4 classes are balanced , the key points are building in using and skills of players. Thereby all the 4 class get 1 score or I can say they are all have 0 score at all.

Then sorcerers can fit for the rest of 3 parts, while other 3 may not have this ability. Eg, DK is not good at roaming/ soloing as they lack of escape abilities

Vis

DRAGONKNIGHT

chongguang wrote: »

After observing this thread since its post and making some discussion with players from other forums. I can give a short summary to the theme with less bias as I can.
First of all, PVP content can be divided into 4 parts or 4 purposes

1. Dueling
2. group pvp (both include large and small here)
3. roaming/soloing
4. getting score

For Dueling, all 4 classes are balanced , the key points are building in using and skills of players. Thereby all the 4 class get 1 score or I can say they are all have 0 score at all.

Then sorcerers can fit for the rest of 3 parts, while other 3 may not have this ability. Eg, DK is not good at roaming/ soloing as they lack of escape abilities

Dueling : Tie (very rock paper scissors at the moment)
Group pvp: DK (amazing group synergies and can hold ground)
Roaming : Sorcs tie with NBs
Getting Score: DK (can dish out aoes, hold ground, and tank)

chongguang

SORCERER

Vis wrote: »

chongguang wrote: »

After observing this thread since its post and making some discussion with players from other forums. I can give a short summary to the theme with less bias as I can.
First of all, PVP content can be divided into 4 parts or 4 purposes

1. Dueling
2. group pvp (both include large and small here)
3. roaming/soloing
4. getting score

For Dueling, all 4 classes are balanced , the key points are building in using and skills of players. Thereby all the 4 class get 1 score or I can say they are all have 0 score at all.

Then sorcerers can fit for the rest of 3 parts, while other 3 may not have this ability. Eg, DK is not good at roaming/ soloing as they lack of escape abilities

Dueling : Tie (very rock paper scissors at the moment)
Group pvp: DK (amazing group synergies and can hold ground)
Roaming : Sorcs tie with NBs
Getting Score: DK (can dish out aoes, hold ground, and tank)

Dueling: Tie (agree, completely !)
GP : DK, but I think sorcerers are also good at this
Roaming: agreed, completely again
Getting Score: eh....my friend told me that Templar is the easiest one for this, as they can just use 1 button healer skill in group to get score without question

technohic

SORCERER

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

Blabafat is great at it. For the stam version, I thing ebonheart templar or whatever his name is, is pretty good.

Vis

DRAGONKNIGHT

chongguang wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

chongguang wrote: »

After observing this thread since its post and making some discussion with players from other forums. I can give a short summary to the theme with less bias as I can.
First of all, PVP content can be divided into 4 parts or 4 purposes

1. Dueling
2. group pvp (both include large and small here)
3. roaming/soloing
4. getting score

For Dueling, all 4 classes are balanced , the key points are building in using and skills of players. Thereby all the 4 class get 1 score or I can say they are all have 0 score at all.

Then sorcerers can fit for the rest of 3 parts, while other 3 may not have this ability. Eg, DK is not good at roaming/ soloing as they lack of escape abilities

Dueling : Tie (very rock paper scissors at the moment)
Group pvp: DK (amazing group synergies and can hold ground)
Roaming : Sorcs tie with NBs
Getting Score: DK (can dish out aoes, hold ground, and tank)

Dueling: Tie (agree, completely !)
GP : DK, but I think sorcerers are also good at this
Roaming: agreed, completely again
Getting Score: eh....my friend told me that Templar is the easiest one for this, as they can just use 1 button healer skill in group to get score without question

I did not consider templar heals for scores. That is true. Sorcerers can be good, but usually in sorcerer and NB groups only. I really am not a reliable healer. Not a good tank. If the group is going down I am going to bail early. My sorc feels guilty when in a group.

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

technohic wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

Blabafat is great at it. For the stam version, I thing ebonheart templar or whatever his name is, is pretty good.

Agreed. ^.^ Ebonheart Templar's definitely good. And Divine Cross is another really good Temp.

The_Death_Princess

SORCERER

Hehe I have been watching this for the last two weeks. Sorcerors are slowly polling up and DK down.

Guess the old school DK is finally being forgotten. Cept by some.... the guy that posted dk taking on a whole group and kiling one by one..... nope not gonna happen not no more, specially if I am there, they die.

pkb16_ESO2

DRAGONKNIGHT

technohic wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

Blabafat is great at it. For the stam version, I thing ebonheart templar or whatever his name is, is pretty good.

I know the vids, but you have to see that blabafat is very skilled, he plays impirial and he bursts the guy in the vids with hte combo meteor+ detonation+jabs. Its quite easy to counter for skilled players and i dont know if he would do that good in duells with it.
@blabafat maybe a comment from you would be nice.

the vids from Legend (ebonheart templar) arent that good. To kill some low lvl and bad players... i make same *** daily but it doesnt prove a templar is in good spot.

All in all the poll speaks for itself and good player knew it, templar are bad at moment as offensive Pvp Players and their issues are well known.
I still like to play it (im also impirial and im still doing good) but if i see what my NB can do and my lowy DK... i realize temps are weak...

technohic

SORCERER

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

Blabafat is great at it. For the stam version, I thing ebonheart templar or whatever his name is, is pretty good.

I know the vids, but you have to see that blabafat is very skilled, he plays impirial and he bursts the guy in the vids with hte combo meteor+ detonation+jabs. Its quite easy to counter for skilled players and i dont know if he would do that good in duells with it.
@blabafat maybe a comment from you would be nice.

the vids from Legend (ebonheart templar) arent that good. To kill some low lvl and bad players... i make same *** daily but it doesnt prove a templar is in good spot.

All in all the poll speaks for itself and good player knew it, templar are bad at moment as offensive Pvp Players and their issues are well known.
I still like to play it (im also impirial and im still doing good) but if i see what my NB can do and my lowy DK... i realize temps are weak...

Oh, I wasn't saying that makes templars fine. Both of those builds really have things outside the class to make it work and I think.both are using the same monster set that just happens to synergies well. It just makes the exceptions to the rule when the templar abilities are slow, or broken, or seem catered to a long fight with the reflective light DOT and Dark Flare debuff. Nevermind the current meta is about burst let alone pretend there are not purges everywhere. Then we have poorly designed skills like jabs, which is ok but it's a melee skill that pushes people away from you out of its own range. Sure, WB does the same but it has a longer KD that is much more devastating. Then some abilities have weird cool downs beyond just charge. Solar Barge for example gives damage and empower but if you pair it with our melee move, jabs; it is a DPS loss due to delay and the fact that its empower only lasts for the first hit.


Could go on and on about it but I am sure there are still some idiots out there whining about Jesus Beam even though there are non-executes that can hit as hard in less time even when not in execute range and are not channeled.

ToRelax

NIGHTBLADE

technohic wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

Temp is dead...

Should watch Ameer's (a.k.a. @blabafat) videos sometime.

Blabafat is great at it. For the stam version, I thing ebonheart templar or whatever his name is, is pretty good.

I know the vids, but you have to see that blabafat is very skilled, he plays impirial and he bursts the guy in the vids with hte combo meteor+ detonation+jabs. Its quite easy to counter for skilled players and i dont know if he would do that good in duells with it.
@blabafat maybe a comment from you would be nice.

the vids from Legend (ebonheart templar) arent that good. To kill some low lvl and bad players... i make same *** daily but it doesnt prove a templar is in good spot.

All in all the poll speaks for itself and good player knew it, templar are bad at moment as offensive Pvp Players and their issues are well known.
I still like to play it (im also impirial and im still doing good) but if i see what my NB can do and my lowy DK... i realize temps are weak...

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Could go on and on about it but I am sure there are still some idiots out there whining about Jesus Beam even though there are non-executes that can hit as hard in less time even when not in execute range and are not channeled.

Only Problem with the beam is, it's neither dodgeable nor purgeable . Not sure wether there is anything else in the game like that besides heavy lightning/resto attacks and Inevitable detonation. It basically has no other counter than interrupt and that just doesn't work against multiple templars or any multiple enemies hacking on you while you are low have to retreat. It's not a problem that it can kill you and is designed to so, but it's a problem that you can't do much against it.

Draxys

stamina is strongest class in pvp

Stamden

SORCERER

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

It's amazing that NB and Templars are fairly neck and neck for the weakest class and DKs snd sorcs seem fairly close to being the strongest, according to the player base. There is a huge gap. What does this tell you @zos? Maybe Your balance is way out of wack?

IMO it's not like that at all. Templars are slightly behind. NBs and DKs are balanced. Sorcs are just extremely imbalanced. Once they fix broken Sorc shield stacking and BE spam, and give Templars a boost, PvP will be quite balanced.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

Endurance wrote: »

i dont pvp in this game because its a joke, but if it were guild wars 2 i'd say 2h warrior

You bring your 2h warrior, I'll bring my full 'zerker thief, we'll meet in WvW, and we'll see who walks away and who needs a stretcher ;p

Araxleon

shhh let NB slip under the radar...
its better they dont know

Soulac

NIGHTBLADE

Araxleon wrote: »

shhh let NB slip under the radar...
its better they dont know

Nb is love. Nb is life.

twistedmonk

This is what I've seen in PvP.

Stamina NB - 2hander/bow - is the currently strongest class in PvP. Basically you just need 3 main skills - crit charge/wrecking blow/rally and dodge roll a lot.

current pvp populations are from most played to least played are : NB, Sorc, Templar, DK.

Sanct16

NIGHTBLADE

Paradox wrote: »

I dunno, guys. I'm a DK Tank build in PvP and the only classes that can kill me are Fear-*** nightblades and Sorcs (the ones that aren't silly enough to use frags on me). So, I'd say that sorcs are probably the biggest competitor to the DKs here (Nightblades are just annoyances, really, IME).

Really, though, it all depends on the scenario and the build, but it's definitely between Sorc and DK. I don't honestly have enough experience with Sorcs to say if they're all that great, but from what I've seen... they have shields, but their DPS is pretty ***. They'll sustain a fight for dayz, though.

And the only class that you can kill is NPC.

LazyLewis

No option for neither. Everything is situational and his too many variables. For example I'm not as good as most on my DK. Just not my thing. On my templar however I flourish. I know people who are amazing at all Classes and some who are terrible at all and so on.... Its down the player and down to the situation.

Kelleton

NIGHTBLADE

Fear is the win

Bouvin

DRAGONKNIGHT

Kelleton wrote: »

Fear is the win

Try using Break Free.

It's awesome.

Bouvin

DRAGONKNIGHT

I honestly don't think any one class is most powerful at this point.

But there are a TON of DKs in Cyrodil. Hence my vote.

Bouvin

DRAGONKNIGHT

twistedmonk wrote: »

This is what I've seen in PvP.

Stamina NB - 2hander/bow - is the currently strongest class in PvP. Basically you just need 3 main skills - crit charge/wrecking blow/rally and dodge roll a lot.

current pvp populations are from most played to least played are : NB, Sorc, Templar, DK.

Can't you do this with any class? None of these are NB specific.

LegendaryMage

The opponents that always gave me the toughest fights were good NBs, not even counting BoL sorcs except a few very good ones, but those are rare. I love fighting them (NBs) but they are obviously balanced for 1v1 the most in my opinion.

Yes, sorcerers are strong and can do some cool things in 1v1 if played right, but no, they can't slice you up as quickly as NBs from what I've seen. If I was a NB in 1v1 with a sorc, I would try to get him out of shields without CCing him (step1) and then fear + burst with ulty, it's gg for sure every single time.

@Soulac Yeah, I'm talking about you too imba cat. You need a nerf ASAP.

Ezareth

DRAGONKNIGHT

Spangla wrote: »

Go watch ezareth kill shiliza the 'unkillable' dk. It actually looks pretty easy.

Well to be fair, that was using a (Broken) Nirnhoned Staff at the time and the guy didn't even have reflective scales slotted (/boggle). If I ran into him today in that fight it would never end because I couldn't kill him. In fact most DKs with Tanky builds right now are unkillable to me due to S&B projectile protection, SR + Reflective.

Soulac

NIGHTBLADE

LegendaryMage wrote: »

The opponents that always gave me the toughest fights were good NBs, not even counting BoL sorcs except a few very good ones, but those are rare. I love fighting them (NBs) but they are obviously balanced for 1v1 the most in my opinion.

Yes, sorcerers are strong and can do some cool things in 1v1 if played right, but no, they can't slice you up as quickly as NBs from what I've seen. If I was a NB in 1v1 with a sorc, I would try to get him out of shields without CCing him (step1) and then fear + burst with ulty, it's gg for sure every single time.

@Soulac Yeah, I'm talking about you too imba cat. You need a nerf ASAP.

Vizier

SORCERER

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Because all the sorcs voted DK?

QFT

You know that is exactly what happened. lol

The_Death_Princess

SORCERER

twistedmonk wrote: »

This is what I've seen in PvP.

Stamina NB - 2hander/bow - is the currently strongest class in PvP. Basically you just need 3 main skills - crit charge/wrecking blow/rally and dodge roll a lot.

current pvp populations are from most played to least played are : NB, Sorc, Templar, DK.

Ya we need a lol button.

"What happens when a NB with a 2h sword meets an DK (or Sorc) with a aoe staff. The NB with 2h Sword dies."
-Clint Eastwood, A Fist Full of Dollars.