STRONGEST CLASS IN PVP? (POLL)

Maudieu

DRAGONKNIGHT

Note the lack of ZOS votes/replies. ;p Makes you wonder if any of them even pvp/play the game.

BloodStorm

NIGHTBLADE

Piercing mark, Lethal arrow, elusive mist, medium armor shuffle and ambush with devouring swarm if losing ranged fight somehow. Most reliable build in my opinion .

Lava_Croft

SORCERER

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

Piercing mark, Lethal arrow, elusive mist, medium armor shuffle and ambush with devouring swarm if losing ranged fight somehow. Most reliable build in my opinion .

Apart from Ambush, these skills are available to anyone.

Soul_Demon

SORCERER

Shield stacks of 30k +, stun entire groups as you blink through them- and unlimited blinks to recharge magic and attacks when you use up reserves. Even with the inevitable push back in forums over any mention of this, sorcs are by far the most powerful group out now.

Panda244

NIGHTBLADE

DKs are winning... Either a majority of people smoked to much crack, or I smoked none...

NBs have the single highest burst damage in the entire game, and a reliable escape (From my experience.) And they can smack double take - crippling grasp - cloak and re-position 500m away in three seconds. Lack of self heals sucks, but eh.

Tankqull

DRAGONKNIGHT

Observant wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

Overload

Dodge Roll.

Magicka build


Any class can counter another class in this game, but for overall versatility I'd go with DK

dampen magic in that case.

ToRelax

NIGHTBLADE

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k + (30% - 40% class shield), stun entire groups as you blink through them (give away free cc immunity) - and unlimited blinks to recharge magic and attacks when you use up reserves (through away all available resources and hope there are no Sorcs or stamina builds who can follow and finish you). Even with the inevitable push back in forums over any mention of this, sorcs are by far the most powerful group out now.

Did you ever actually play Sorc on Live, dude? Would like to see you doing so, must be crazy to watch... >_> .

rfennell_ESO

DRAGONKNIGHT

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k +, stun entire groups as you blink through them- and unlimited blinks to recharge magic and attacks when you use up reserves. Even with the inevitable push back in forums over any mention of this, sorcs are by far the most powerful group out now.

Wow the OP sorc shield is up to 30k in the minds of fantasists?

It was "20k shield omg nerf now" last week.

In reality it's still about 10k tho.

wretch200

NIGHTBLADE

dafox187 wrote: »

sorcerer = mage
mage = fireball
fireball = 3rd degree burns from a ranged weapon
you can get brutally murdered by us with fire from a long distance archers are my second by the way

Any class can use an Inferno Staff.

wretch200

NIGHTBLADE

Pretty obviously...

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea the info is wrong. When ESO first came out it was Sorc then few month became DK a year later now Templars are "the class" and maybe in a month or so NB will be. But as of right now Templars are "the class" cause of there shield stacking, insta full health and of course radient destruction and the nirnhoned bug. Give it time every one be screaming nerf to NB very soon.

...This is wrong, because DK's have always been really strong, and were the #1 class when the game launched, and in my opinion, been on of the best tanks and dps since.
Here is evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWkd7pM2r1A

Itoq

SORCERER

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k +,

Wow the OP sorc shield is up to 30k in the minds of fantasists?

It was "20k shield omg nerf now" last week.

In reality it's still about 10k tho.

Note: above poster was ignoring that he was responding to a post about stacked shields (show previous quotes.)

Re: 33k Shield stack shown below:

I don't have all into magicka to max shields. I have 19 into health and one piece of armor is +stamina. 36 into bastion but most of my armor glyphs are green or blue. No shields proc'ed by armor or weapon enchants or set bonuses.

I took the screenshot in my guest campaign and, as you can see, buffs are minimal.

In other words, someone more committed to shields, gear, in the right circumstances, etc. could get a substantially higher stack (when their health was low.)

I think that cloak is stronger for it's combined defensive and offensive strengths but maybe dusting off and playing my nb would change my mind.

Raizin

TEMPLAR

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

Which class is strongest when it comes to PvP?

ofc templar

ToRelax

NIGHTBLADE

Itoq wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k +,

Wow the OP sorc shield is up to 30k in the minds of fantasists?

It was "20k shield omg nerf now" last week.

In reality it's still about 10k tho.

Note: above poster was ignoring that he was responding to a post about stacked shields (show previous quotes.)

Re: 33k Shield stack shown below:

I don't have all into magicka to max shields. I have 19 into health and one piece of armor is +stamina. 36 into bastion but most of my armor glyphs are green or blue. No shields proc'ed by armor or weapon enchants or set bonuses.

I took the screenshot in my guest campaign and, as you can see, buffs are minimal.

In other words, someone more committed to shields, gear, in the right circumstances, etc. could get a substantially higher stack (when their health was low.)

I think that cloak is stronger for it's combined defensive and offensive strengths but maybe dusting off and playing my nb would change my mind.

Healing Ward is used as a heal, not a shield. You should let that just out, you were still in execute range even after casting the ward to get the initial heal.
Of course you know that Harness is available to everyone and protects only against magic damage...

Erock25

DRAGONKNIGHT

ToRelax wrote: »

Itoq wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k +,

Wow the OP sorc shield is up to 30k in the minds of fantasists?

It was "20k shield omg nerf now" last week.

In reality it's still about 10k tho.

Note: above poster was ignoring that he was responding to a post about stacked shields (show previous quotes.)

Re: 33k Shield stack shown below:

I don't have all into magicka to max shields. I have 19 into health and one piece of armor is +stamina. 36 into bastion but most of my armor glyphs are green or blue. No shields proc'ed by armor or weapon enchants or set bonuses.

I took the screenshot in my guest campaign and, as you can see, buffs are minimal.

In other words, someone more committed to shields, gear, in the right circumstances, etc. could get a substantially higher stack (when their health was low.)

I think that cloak is stronger for it's combined defensive and offensive strengths but maybe dusting off and playing my nb would change my mind.

Healing Ward is used as a heal, not a shield. You should let that just out, you were still in execute range even after casting the ward to get the initial heal.
Of course you know that Harness is available to everyone and protects only against magic damage...

You have 24k magicka so you probably have around 9.5k shields with Hardened Ward. The rest of the 30k belongs to skills everyone can use so they shouldn't be included in the class balance discussion. 9.5k goes real quick when it has no mitigation and you can not block to reduce damage.

If I could change my vote, I'd give it to NBs. Some NBs out there are doing ridiculous things.

wanderlustx5

SORCERER

Sorc
1) Because of the ability to basically engage and disengage while stunning the enemy, and it functions as both great closer and escape
2) Great shields
3) Execute couples with a curse combined with great DPS that rapidly nukes opponents down
4) Multiple great CC ability's
5) Good ranged DPS options that stun opponent

Im surprised at the DK votes, DK has been nerfed to hell and has no inate closer that is safe (unless you like getting chained into zergs without stun, no good class based ranged dps, heals weaker then templar, and damage shield weaker then templar or sorc, zero ability to disengage. Yeah they have damage mitigation and unstable flame is stamina based but against stuns, fears, and damage shields which explode on you (templar) this is the only current advantage.

Erock25

DRAGONKNIGHT

wanderlustx5 wrote: »

Sorc
1) Because of the ability to basically engage and disengage while stunning the enemy, and it functions as both great closer and escape
2) Great shields
3) Execute couples with a curse combined with great DPS that rapidly nukes opponents down
4) Multiple great CC ability's
5) Good ranged DPS options that stun opponent

Im surprised at the DK votes, DK has been nerfed to hell and has no inate closer that is safe (unless you like getting chained into zergs without stun, no good class based ranged dps, heals weaker then templar, and damage shield weaker then templar or sorc, zero ability to disengage. Yeah they have damage mitigation and unstable flame is stamina based but against stuns, fears, and damage shields which explode on you (templar) this is the only current advantage.

You have a v14 DK, temp, and nb so of course sorc is the most op. Grass is always greener, my friend.

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

Just gonna quote myself from another thread here because it probably fits better here than there....

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Sorc is so easy now it isn't much fun to play anymore...

If that's true, tell me why I'm not rekking face with my little v1 Sorc, like I was able to with my DK when she was v1 several months ago. Tell me why I have a difficult time surviving, despite changing my build several times in an attempt to increase it (however, the new one I have right now is actually helping quite a bit, but half the skills aren't morphed yet and a few of the skill lines are FAR from being maxed, so it's not vastly helpful). Tell me why I'm having trouble killing anyone. If they were truely "so easy" as people say they are, I'd be able to tear up the field with her, just like I was able to with my DK all those months ago. It may be just that I haven't had enough practice yet, but the fact stands that they aren't as easy as people are saying they are. Nowhere near as easy as DKs.

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And heya wander. Surprised to see you here. ;b

Paradox

DRAGONKNIGHT

I dunno, guys. I'm a DK Tank build in PvP and the only classes that can kill me are Fear-*** nightblades and Sorcs (the ones that aren't silly enough to use frags on me). So, I'd say that sorcs are probably the biggest competitor to the DKs here (Nightblades are just annoyances, really, IME).

Really, though, it all depends on the scenario and the build, but it's definitely between Sorc and DK. I don't honestly have enough experience with Sorcs to say if they're all that great, but from what I've seen... they have shields, but their DPS is pretty ***. They'll sustain a fight for dayz, though.

Wreuntzylla

NIGHTBLADE

I know it's fun to run out without any preparation, spam one button and get a kill. But you are only going to kill the other guys running out with no preparation, spamming one button and getting a kill....

Sorcs are ignorable once you learn the joy that is fortified nirncrux. Anyone voting sorc is spending no time balancing DPS and survivability for PvP.

Joy_Division

SORCERER

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Just gonna quote myself from another thread here because it probably fits better here than there....

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Sorc is so easy now it isn't much fun to play anymore...

If that's true, tell me why I'm not rekking face with my little v1 Sorc, like I was able to with my DK when she was v1 several months ago. Tell me why I have a difficult time surviving, despite changing my build several times in an attempt to increase it (however, the new one I have right now is actually helping quite a bit, but half the skills aren't morphed yet and a few of the skill lines are FAR from being maxed, so it's not vastly helpful). Tell me why I'm having trouble killing anyone. If they were truely "so easy" as people say they are, I'd be able to tear up the field with her, just like I was able to with my DK all those months ago. It may be just that I haven't had enough practice yet, but the fact stands that they aren't as easy as people are saying they are. Nowhere near as easy as DKs.

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And heya wander. Surprised to see you here. ;b

You said "several months ago."

The answer to your question is the difference between 1.5 and 1.6. In 1.6, the strongest build and strongest class have very little room for error as the TTK is low. You are V1, already at a significant disadvantage - if fact the worse level in the game considering level 49 in battle leveled to vr12. Even if I think the sorcerer is the strongest class, it is not *that* far ahead of the others so if you actually plan on fighting people as opposed to bolt escaping away, you will die a lot and rek little face.

In 1.5, V1 was actually significantly stronger than a level 49 because the latter got battle leveled only to VR1 and in the process lost whatever specialization she had. So if you fought any non-ranked opponent, you should rek face. Against other veteran opponents, with the greater TTK, there was more room for mistakes, inexperience, and better builds to make a difference in fights. The DK was also unquestionably relatively stronger in 1.5 (whereas the sorcerer was unquestionably weaker when not considering the Negate skill), so something would be very wrong if your 1.6 Vr1 sorc outperformed your 1.5 Vr1 DK.

From the tone of your voice, I would infer you feel rather strongly in your opinion that DKs >>> sorcs. I have played and play vr14s in both classes before and after 1.6. I will tell you the perceived power a DK has is not because the class is inherently stronger than the others, but it is the best designed in that it has fantastic synergy with whatever style is the FOTM. Right now a DK with a two-hander is a very strong build because the class meshes well with stamina and has *very* useful magicka dumps that cover it's weakness at range (scales) and kiting opponents (fossilize). In previous versions of the game that biased staffs and skirts, no class could take advantage of that as well as DKs that had fire synergy and natural tankiness to cover the armor weakness.

That being said, the class with the most powerful "tools" at the moment is the sorcerer. No class can remotely come close to its mobility and it does not have to tie itself to a weapon like a two-hander to get it's great burst damage as that comes naturally from its class skills. I will grant that in a straight 1v1 "boxing ring" contest, a sorcerer probably would lose to the other classes, but that is what makes this class so strong, it alone can choose the terms of engagement in just about any scenario. DKs and Templars are stuck continuing fights they would not rather be in. NBs are better off, but it requires a fair amount of specialization to pull off and even then a stray AoE, magelight, or an opponent that places multiple dots will foil a stealther. Sorcs don't need to build for escapability, rather just slot 1 ability. The other three classes have to compromise and specialize to have builds that are effective in Cyrodiil vs. good players (of these the DK has it the easiest whereas the Templar is the hardest) whereas a sorc can by default have unparalleled mobility + very good long range firepower + versatile execute, an excellent starting combination only a NB can come close to approaching.

rfennell_ESO

DRAGONKNIGHT

Itoq wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Shield stacks of 30k +,

Wow the OP sorc shield is up to 30k in the minds of fantasists?

It was "20k shield omg nerf now" last week.

In reality it's still about 10k tho.

Note: above poster was ignoring that he was responding to a post about stacked shields (show previous quotes.)

Re: 33k Shield stack shown below:

I don't have all into magicka to max shields. I have 19 into health and one piece of armor is +stamina. 36 into bastion but most of my armor glyphs are green or blue. No shields proc'ed by armor or weapon enchants or set bonuses.

I took the screenshot in my guest campaign and, as you can see, buffs are minimal.

In other words, someone more committed to shields, gear, in the right circumstances, etc. could get a substantially higher stack (when their health was low.)

I think that cloak is stronger for it's combined defensive and offensive strengths but maybe dusting off and playing my nb would change my mind.

I've seen about a 33k shield on self. But that's not exactly what it's being implied as... You get low on health and whitestrake's procs for about a 10k shield, healing ward can be about 12k and then hardened ward 11k. But whitestrakes has a cooldown and only lasts 8 seconds, healing ward isn't being used for it's shield; it's being used as a heal and if the shield breaks from damage you lose the heal. And it's a 6 second shield.

Yes technically you can actually get to a 40k shield if you are counting harness magicka. But it's temporary and not spammable.

The only way you see stackable shields that get to 30k or more is when you are low on health and use healing ward. But in 6 seconds healing ward pops and heals, so it's a very temporary shield stack. Whitestrake's is an 8 second shield with a 15 second cooldown and only pops below 30% health.

But yes, sure... if a sorc gets low on health they can have ~5k larger shield than a dk or templar (who can use all the other shields as well as a sorc).

Point being that "shield stacking" is not a phenomena isolated to sorcs. Hardened ward is the best personal shield, but to really make the point of shield stacking you would have to look at it from a perspective of hardened ward vs blazing shield vs ingeous shield. The difference isn't all that much really. Even accounting for stacking magicka it's at most a 7k additional shield.

So to explain further, even though it will met with more "nerf sorcs shield plz".

10-12k low health healing ward shield (6 seconds to pop for heal)
8-12k whitestrakes shield (it scales to health) (8 second shield @ 30% or lower health, 15 sec cooldown)
10-12k spellshield from Harness Magicka (light armor skill usable by anyone)
Personal shields

That's shield stacking, and for a sorc it's 5-7ish k more. On a very temporary and not easily stacked "shield stack"

So an average "possible" shield stack about 43k for a sorc, versus ~38k for a temp or 37k for a dk. or 32k for a NB.

It's more, but it's not ridiculous OP as it keeps being inferred as. Higher health temps and dks can probably come closer to matching the sorc shield stacking.

Now realistic shield stacking is more like 4-5k healing ward shield at full health + harness (useless versus physical attacks mind you) +11k hardened ward or 7k/6k (temp/dk). It's annoying for magicka casters to break thru, but not at all for stamina builds.

The insinuation of "sorc" "shield stacking" when every else can do it nearly as well is silly. The reason you see sorcs doing it the most though... is because otherwise they die.

A little furthermore is that healing ward as part of the shield stack isn't very reliable in any large battle. As it's more likely to land on someone else than you. So you can only count it as shield stacking in very small encounters. (I find I have to cast it repeatedly to get it on myself or go hide in a corner away from people to do it)

Lastly, the obvious complainers are all stamina builds. Versus them shield stacking in large battles isn't very useful, it's mostly not possible to shield stack. Their complaints are likely based on "I tried to gank a sorc and he killed me" which is the only place where they would be hamstrung by it.. and they are just pissed that their free ap kill was able to save themselves with whitestrake's/healing ward and a hardened ward on top.

I think some people should just make threads asking for free AP when attacking sorcs, even though anyone can use whitestakes/healing ward. I guess if you are a fotm stamina build it sucks to not have access to healing ward... but that's your choice when you go stamina aint it?

Armitas

SORCERER

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Xsorus

SORCERER

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Because all the sorcs voted DK?

OdinForge

SORCERER

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Because all the sorcs voted DK?

The amount of one-sided Sorc defense I've seen is incredible. While i know plenty of people who play all classes (including Sorc) at or near max level, who all agree that Sorc is out of control right now with little effort. People who experiment with many different builds, classes and play-styles. Instead of arguing from the perspective of one type of game-play, and never experiencing what it's like to be on the other end of the stick.

cozmon3c_ESO

DRAGONKNIGHT

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Because most people complaining are upset they don't get there free kills against sorcs anymore.

I don't see the pro people complaining about anyone class, just some new people who don't understand what is going on.

Zos failed with sorc as people like to see the health bar move when they cast a damage spell, damage shields are not very well portrayed on enemy health bars so it leaves people frustrated that they didn't even more the health bar. The truth is once you have the sorc in his health bar this is your chance to win if you can kill them before they put up another shield.

rfennell_ESO

DRAGONKNIGHT

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Because all the sorcs voted DK?

That's pretty likely being dks give sorcs problems.

Good thing there are a ton of dks.

Truth be told, if you aren't a dk I can see sorcs absolutely infuriating you.

k2blader

Armitas wrote: »

Someone explain this to me. Since 1.6, relatively all DK QQ has ceased (as far as I have seen), while sorc QQ is non stop. Why is DK at the top of the list when there is little to no QQ to be found?

Did you know this poll was on the General Discussion forum for days before it was moved to this PvP forum?So you probably should ask the folks who are more into "all aspects" of the game rather than those who care most about PvP. The fact that this poll had a much higher percentage of votes for DKs before it got moved to the PvP forum indicates the overabundant let's-nerf-sorcs posters on this forum have shown their numbers in addition to votes already cast by those with broader interests and probably less PvP bias in the game.

LegacyDM

SORCERER

It's amazing that NB and Templars are fairly neck and neck for the weakest class and DKs snd sorcs seem fairly close to being the strongest, according to the player base. There is a huge gap. What does this tell you @zos? Maybe Your balance is way out of wack?

TheBucket

SORCERER

Panda244 wrote: »

DKs are winning... Either a majority of people smoked to much crack, or I smoked none...

NBs have the single highest burst damage in the entire game, and a reliable escape (From my experience.) And they can smack double take - crippling grasp - cloak and re-position 500m away in three seconds. Lack of self heals sucks, but eh.

The poll was asked to soon. If the poll was started tomorrow. It would be Sorc winning by a landslide i'm sure. As you can see, the majority of the recent votes have been Sorc

Spangla

SORCERER

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Sorc is clearly the most powerful class.

It is so obvious.

Uhh...

No. Just no.

^^^
lol

Ostrich

Ahem. Absolutely not. I've played dk. I've focused my build around soaking up insane amounts of dmg, I've heard of dk DoT dps builds that wreck, and there are more and more, at least okay, healer builds for DKs. How does this tie in with Sorcs? Sorcs excel at dps (mostly burst). Even if they focus heavily into a tanking or healing spec, theirs won't compare quite as well to a dk's tanking and healing builds because their class heals are quite pathetic. Yes, they could carry a resto, but so could a dk, or any other class. They may have BE and a really strong ward, but just because they can run away doesn't make them op, and their ward sorta makes up for their lack of good class heals. Take either of them or both away and most Sorcs will just become free ap.

indigoblades wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Maybe in 1.5. Sorcerer these days aren't running away from you. They're kiting you away from the group. Using blink of course, but it's also mandatory to bunny-jump, because that will infuriate a bloodthirsty DK with tunnel vision. Eventually you'll find your self all alone in the wilderness, miles from the nearest keep, that's when the sorcerer suddenly turns around and *** all over you /pushups

Rule #1: Never chase the bolting Sorc.

Sorc Rule #1
Never attack a reflecting DK or any DK 1v1 unless u are spec'd to beat him.

For Me unless the DK is really new to Pvp (bad) its not worth attacking. I'd need to specialize my build too much towards attacking DK to make it useful overall for me in pvp. (for me Mages fury, Mage's light, lightning staff, vel curse and a different ultimate would only be useful for killing DK's. These days i only run a 2H/bow stam sorc so if i see a DK half health ill crit rush and see if i can do some physical damage. If i did alot of 1v1 it might be different but usually i pass or exit most DK fights when i am alone. I do have pretty good sustain so i have plenty of time to escape.

You do realize you quoted me on something someone else said, not me, right? The only thing out of all that that I wrote was that rule.

You realise sorc is probably the best support heal class in pvp right?

I can tell you no nothing so i will not respond to you anymore.

Go watch ezareth kill shiliza the 'unkillable' dk. It actually looks pretty easy.