STRONGEST CLASS IN PVP? (POLL)

Ara_Valleria

DRAGONKNIGHT

(insert your most hated class) are OP !! pl0x Nerf !!! QQQQ

The_Death_Princess

SORCERER

I was kind of shocked to see the results. Swore they would cry Templar lol.

I think the poll is still influenced by the WAY overpowered DK prior to 1.6. Now the only class I have a problem with is Sorc with permablock, permashiled, bolt at will.

Dk used to kill me, know I kill them. Fair trade imo.

Oh another Sorc problem, 4 pets. Try to fight one of them, even with tab target you cant hit them because the game mechanics for targeting are so Fubar.

Aeternus

DRAGONKNIGHT

OP ezmode DK's in medium armor still using reflective scales for days.

Cody

I think every class is actually more balanced than ever before(which is not saying much honestly because balance is still non-existent)

OP sorcs? bah. just get out 2H and obliterate those pesky wards. they go down fast.

danno8

SORCERER

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

I was kind of shocked to see the results. Swore they would cry Templar lol.

Yah I think people really played up (and are still playing up) Radiant Destructions influence on the class.

Most have figured it out now, adapted and know how to deal with a Templar who uses Radiant too early.

I think they have also discovered just how cumbersome and flat out broken many of the skills are, and have dropped the class going back to DKs and Sorcerers.

It also sucks to play the only class that has basically no escape. Sorcerers can bolt, NBs can stealth (it works a lot of the time), and even DK's can run and Flappy. What has a Templar got? 7K shield (much weaker now in 1.6) and a heal? That will only get you as far as your teammates, if you are lucky.

Yakidafi

DRAGONKNIGHT

Bow and sneak =27k dmg in 0.5s when you play with veterans on long range

I am vr11 I might have that much more armour when I am also vr14

Tonnopesce

SORCERER

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I don't know where you've been in 1.5, but a proper LA dk tank could keep up all his ressources (even health) and tank everything that a small group would throw at him, while still maintaining pressure on them and eventually killing them. With proper positionning, practice, and usage of your surroundings you could take on a group of 10 people.
With the removal of cinder storm's miss chance, the augmented stamina costs for blocking, dodge roll, cc break it's not possible anymore. You just said yourself, you have magicka problems, how are you supposed to maintain pressure if you run out of magicka?

Before 1.6 i would run into a zerg without fear, now i'm happy if i can take on 3 persons at once. And of course i've adapted my build and taken up some pieces of heavy armor, i haven't blindly stuck with my old build expecting it to work the same.

I fail to see the point of pure "tanking" in PvP anyways if you're not going to kill anything. Also caltrops and healing ward? really?

I had a hard time killing most people, even in 1.5, because I wasn't spec'd to do dmg. Not a whole lot, anyway. My spell and weap dmg were at their base, and I had nothing into crit. I seriously hit like a pillow, and I couldn't take down enemies while trying to survive all of them because of that. I ran out of magicka quickly back then even in light armor because I 1.) Used 5pc Hist/4pc Seducer with random purple jewelry, and 2.) most of the abilities I had cost a quite a bit of magicka (Gdb, talons, harness magicka, cinder storm, and igneous shield (I stopped using wings months before 1.6 launched, so that helped a bunch)). Using each of those in turn and keeping them up drained me of magicka.

It is still possible; I've done it before in 1.6. I just have to keep gdb and hardened armor up to do it.

"Pure tanking" in PvP isn't completely useless. Because I can tank so much dmg, and I have at least a couple attacks, I can reach the enemy's backlines and start messing with their healers and ranged dps (and since light armor had been nerfed, this is much more effective than it was pre-1.6), which forces them to focus on me, both wasting their resources and sometimes ults, so that members of my group can sweep in while they're distracted. My build is designed to be grouped with others to take out the enemy. I sure can't solo them; that's neither my intent or what my dk is built for.

Caltrops are extremely useful. If the enemy gets caught in them, they take dmg, and if they block during this, it drains their stam. I tell you, the stam drain is real. And healing ward? Why not? If it helps either me or someone in the group, all the better.

LOL a dk with a seducer build... for tanking...

Sorry dude but you where killing your enemies by boredom?

I belive that this thread is referred to a 1v1, 1vX situation wich you fail to fit into.
You are playng a Pure support build for zergs and big encounters where the tank charge and the backup kill most of the enemies <<<<THIS is not be stong in this game imho; i've tried to do a tanky build in 1.5 and you know what? the almighty rule that evryone that is not a DK has: "when he finish the stamina he is death", was apply even if i was in tanky mode, and not into a 1vX but in a 1v1.

Now i know that the seducer + warlock + torugh Build was the most OP build EVER for a DK in 1.5 and before (full light btw) but now is just good, and DK fail (MAGIKA) in evry encounter even tanks (if not supported by a templar heal and a good dps).

You know the FIRST pvp rule is to take down the healer (the tank is the last one in the list since is the less dangerous) all the people who focus on you are just bad players imho.

1 good nightblade with the fear equipped can take you down in 2 minutes or less

Okay then. Tell me, how is a tank using seducer wrong? Because last I knew, it wasn't.

"Fail to fit into"? I've dueled 1v1 with guildies in Legend with this build and I've ended up in some duels where it ends in a stalemate after some 8+ minutes later. It's not what I'm built for or what I intended the build for, but I can still sort of make it work.

My stam is fine, thanks. After a duel, several times I've been told that it seemed that I never ran out of stam. In fact, in some points of the duel, I'd be completely out of stam, yet still be able to competently fight. Tbh, I'm not all that great at bluffing when my stam is low, but there are a some skilled people who I know that can. Though "A PvPer without stam is a dead PvPer" can be true for ANY class. It just doesn't apply all the time.

I tried Warlock/Seducer in 1.5 and really didn't like it, and switched back to my old setup. Magicka dk's do not fail every encounter. It depends on their build and the player's skill.

Exactly. Why do you think I go to their backlines in the first place? And it's because of the supposed threat they think I must be that they turn to try and kill me.

How would you know if that were true if you've never even seen me fight? All you know about my build is what I've told you about it. Hearing parts here and there of a build doesn't show the whole thing of how it'll work in action. Even if I told the entire setup, if someone tried using the exact same setup, they might play it a different way than I do. It's not just the build, it's the player. One good nb I may go against could stalemate with me, another good one might wreck me, or I may miraculously defeat some other good nb. It depends on builds and skill.

You know i got your point but a dog who barks usually dont bites.

Just to finish this i'm not against your build or against pvp tanking, you can do what you want but dont push the statement that dk are the most strong class in pvp when they are not. Ok you can take damage but you cannot kill enemies ( tanks exist for evry class) and you can be useful with a group and do a good group play.
Imho i dont belive that dk are anymore the srtrongest class and i was tryng to make a point for you .

Seducer dont fit in a tank build only because you miss something, try to do a hibrid tanking-stamina-magika-damage build is just agaist you (tbh while tanking i use a hist-footman-malubeth or skoria build and only with the skoria meteor and the dots i can do a lot more damage than you) and you can do more, better and easier without focusing in magika and without loosing anything.

I'm tryng to tell you that you can do better with your dk, i dont use the skoria anymose only because i hate the fotm and i belive that the skoria meteors are making the servers lag more than usual.

Leeric

DRAGONKNIGHT

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

must be all the DK players boohoos again.

My mains are dk and nb, but I still defend sorcs, thx.

lol it was just a joke homie.

I just think it is funny that because NBs and DKs can't one or two shot sorcerers, that they think they are op.
Its not that the class can't be killed, they are complaining because the class can run away, not that they are dieing all the time, but because they can't catch them lol.

That is most hilarious reason to ask for a nerf in PVP. "NO THEY CAN RUN FROM ME PLZ NERF" That is awesome....

olsborg

DRAGONKNIGHT

Ive had a number of 1v1 since 1.6 came out, and I can honestly say, the hardest fight ive had yet, was vs a nightblade. DKs are a close second. But stamina nbs are insane:)

The reason I voted for dk, is because they can still whitstand so much hurt 1vX (and dish out dps) its in its own league vs the other 3 classes.

ArconSeptim

TEMPLAR

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

Which class is strongest when it comes to PvP?

Again this ***, DK has the third most survivability after Nightblade and Sorcerer funny escape mechanism I would say even Templar has good stats with sun shield and spamming heal, so each class is equal

Vahrokh

DRAGONKNIGHT

Leeric wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

must be all the DK players boohoos again.

My mains are dk and nb, but I still defend sorcs, thx.

lol it was just a joke homie.

I just think it is funny that because NBs and DKs can't one or two shot sorcerers, that they think they are op.
Its not that the class can't be killed, they are complaining because the class can run away, not that they are dieing all the time, but because they can't catch them lol.

That is most hilarious reason to ask for a nerf in PVP. "NO THEY CAN RUN FROM ME PLZ NERF" That is awesome....

Actually this kind of PvP outcry has been rampant in WoW (warriors vs mages) and other MMOs. Every time there's a glass cannon class that can teleport away - basically every MMO with mages - meleers demand to kill their ability both to cannon glass and to teleport away. Surprising, eh?

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

You know i got your point but a dog who barks usually dont bites.

Just to finish this i'm not against your build or against pvp tanking, you can do what you want but dont push the statement that dk are the most strong class in pvp when they are not. Ok you can take damage but you cannot kill enemies ( tanks exist for evry class) and you can be useful with a group and do a good group play.
Imho i dont belive that dk are anymore the srtrongest class and i was tryng to make a point for you .

Seducer dont fit in a tank build only because you miss something, try to do a hibrid tanking-stamina-magika-damage build is just agaist you (tbh while tanking i use a hist-footman-malubeth or skoria build and only with the skoria meteor and the dots i can do a lot more damage than you) and you can do more, better and easier without focusing in magika and without loosing anything.

I'm tryng to tell you that you can do better with your dk, i dont use the skoria anymose only because i hate the fotm and i belive that the skoria meteors are making the servers lag more than usual.

Okay, I can see your point... *somewhat*.

I see dk's at the top because their tanking spec's can be extremely well built for the task and several skills make for an extremely difficult-to-take-down tank, there's dps builds that use dots that are still really good, and some stam builds could use gdb for both the stam regen and the survivability it offers, and then there's healer builds that have been springing up more and more that, while they could never be on par with Templar healer builds, are quite good.

And why I don't see Sorcs at the top, but at the bottom? Yes, they have a powerful shield and yes, they can disengage from a fight (normally) quite quickly. But that doesn't necessarily make them "strong". Their class heals are quite pathetic, most typically go light armor (or 5/2 light/heavy or 5/1/1 light/med/heavy) so they're extremely squishy because of that (making shield-stacking and bolting almost a necessity to avoid being shredded like wet tissue paper), and if they have to stack magicka (as most are doing) to be able to sustain, then managing their stam pool likely goes down the drain. Yes, their overload hits like a truck. Yes, they can bolt away. Yes, they have a powerful shield. And yes, they can deal tons of damage. But their class's ability to tank or heal aren't as great as a dk's (imo, a dk healer is more powerful than a Sorc healer).

But this is just my view on class strength, at least between a dk and Sorc; take it how you will.

Pre-1.6, my PvE tanking build was 5pc Hist/5pc Footman/2pc Seducer, but I was running out of magicka so fast, even with spell cost reduction on my footman rings that I had a hard time saving magicka for the times that I would get really low in health (this was most prominent when trying to kite the atronachs for the Titan in vCoA, but was noticeable in other vet dungeons as well). I rely on myself to keep myself up rather than my healer. If I run out of magicka, I'm screwed, usually. And after 1.6, this is why I implemented 5pc Seducer and full spell cost reduction on my jewelry and dumped most of my mage CPs into, hoping to get my magicka under control.

So far, the only undaunted 2pc I have is Malubeths (1pc each of Engine Guardian, Blood Spawn, Maw of the Infernal, Bogdan, and Nerien'eth's). I've kinda been wanting to add it, but the magicka problems I have keep me from being able to sustain in a 5pc Hist/5pc Footman/2pc Undaunted setup, and tbh, I have no idea how to other than implementing Seducer and putting so much into spell cost reduction. Another thing; I would use drinks for better regen, but another problem with that is because, with food out of Cyrodiil (don't remember if it's w/emp bonus or not; think it might be with), I run at 24.5k health. If I switch to drinks, it'd be 21k-ish health. I went HEAVILY into armor/mitigation to take less dmg and magicka/stam for sustain (hence the 31k armor w/hardened armor up, reinforced on everything I could, absorb magic, the sets/jewelry enchants, etc), so that's why it's low. But hey, at least I can take a beating, right?

NadiusMaximus

Siege

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

Leeric wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

must be all the DK players boohoos again.

My mains are dk and nb, but I still defend sorcs, thx.

lol it was just a joke homie.

I just think it is funny that because NBs and DKs can't one or two shot sorcerers, that they think they are op.
Its not that the class can't be killed, they are complaining because the class can run away, not that they are dieing all the time, but because they can't catch them lol.

That is most hilarious reason to ask for a nerf in PVP. "NO THEY CAN RUN FROM ME PLZ NERF" That is awesome....

*sigh* So true. I'll just quote myself here on what I said in a nerfing sorc thread:

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

As I've said in another thread:

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

My mains may be a NB and DK, but I still agree that Sorcs should have their hardened ward. It's bad enough that they're getting nerfed quite a lot (Streak, Negate, etc.), but taking away one of their only good defensive abilities? No. Just no. It's much more fun to fight those Sorcs who can actually have the chance to hit back because they had their ward to help protect themselves, rather than rip them apart in a couple blows when they stood little to no chance because their best line of defense was taken from them. Yes, it's not as powerful as you're making it out to be, but it's still pretty dang good. As if my opinion matters, but the nerfs Sorcs are getting needs to stop. They deserve an op ability or two, just like any other class. Let them have their ward. They're being nerfed enough as it is.

...I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find being able to one-shot Sorcs (or any other class, for that matter) fun OR a demonstration of good skill. Skill shows more prominently in the lengthier battles involving several skills, not 3s skirmishes starting and ending with the click of just a couple buttons. It's time Sorcs get more love without constantly being called out against because one of their skills is too op. Every other class has one or two, so the same should go for Sorcs.

The "not as powerful" part was because the op thought hardened ward was a shield for 100% of a Sorc's health, in case anyone was going to mention anything about it.

All bold pieces except the 1st one (the words "taking away") is what I most wanted to show.

eliisra

SORCERER

Leeric wrote: »

I just think it is funny that because NBs and DKs can't one or two shot sorcerers, that they think they are op.
Its not that the class can't be killed, they are complaining because the class can run away, not that they are dieing all the time, but because they can't catch them lol.

That is most hilarious reason to ask for a nerf in PVP. "NO THEY CAN RUN FROM ME PLZ NERF" That is awesome....

Maybe in 1.5. Sorcerer these days aren't running away from you. They're kiting you away from the group. Using blink of course, but it's also mandatory to bunny-jump, because that will infuriate a bloodthirsty DK with tunnel vision. Eventually you'll find your self all alone in the wilderness, miles from the nearest keep, that's when the sorcerer suddenly turns around and *** all over you /pushups

SafiyerAmitora

DRAGONKNIGHT

eliisra wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

I just think it is funny that because NBs and DKs can't one or two shot sorcerers, that they think they are op.
Its not that the class can't be killed, they are complaining because the class can run away, not that they are dieing all the time, but because they can't catch them lol.

That is most hilarious reason to ask for a nerf in PVP. "NO THEY CAN RUN FROM ME PLZ NERF" That is awesome....

Maybe in 1.5. Sorcerer these days aren't running away from you. They're kiting you away from the group. Using blink of course, but it's also mandatory to bunny-jump, because that will infuriate a bloodthirsty DK with tunnel vision. Eventually you'll find your self all alone in the wilderness, miles from the nearest keep, that's when the sorcerer suddenly turns around and *** all over you /pushups

Rule #1: Never chase the bolting Sorc.

Spangla

SORCERER

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Sorc is clearly the most powerful class.

It is so obvious.

Uhh...

No. Just no.

^^^
lol

Ostrich

indigoblades

DRAGONKNIGHT

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

Which class is strongest when it comes to PvP?

I am surprised the perception is sorcs are the 2nd strongest pvp class in 1.6 .... In 1.5 i saw lots of sorcs in the top ten leaderboard on thornblades but now in 1.6 i only saw ONE sorc in the top 10 so its hard for me to conclude anything but sorcs are at the bottom.

Me personally i think DK and Templars are the strongest but have no escape mechanism other than great heals and sustain. IF they arent paying attention and get over run by a zerg its bye bye since no amount of healing sustain will keep one alive. NB and Sorcs have great escape mechanisms. NB's have great burst & good DPS, sorcs just good burst. Both Sorcs and NB have low sustain'd DPS.

Just me but i think Pvp is more about knowing ur class strengths/weakness and incorporating those in ur PVP tactics. It is also knowing how Pvp differs from Pve. Guess i am saying ur pvp skill has much more to do with how well u do than how strong ur class/race is anyway so these threads seem somewhat pointless.

XiLxBULLETx

SORCERER

Ive watched some of the better A.D-E.P sorc builds destroy medium size gank groups with ease. The good pvp sorcs are what inspired me to swap my v14 Templar over to medium armor stam-weapon damage build.i wlways thought people were kidding when they said they had 3000 weapon damage and 50% crit.....until I popped 3250 wepon damage the other day..lol

indigoblades

DRAGONKNIGHT

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Maybe in 1.5. Sorcerer these days aren't running away from you. They're kiting you away from the group. Using blink of course, but it's also mandatory to bunny-jump, because that will infuriate a bloodthirsty DK with tunnel vision. Eventually you'll find your self all alone in the wilderness, miles from the nearest keep, that's when the sorcerer suddenly turns around and *** all over you /pushups

Rule #1: Never chase the bolting Sorc.

Sorc Rule #1
Never attack a reflecting DK or any DK 1v1 unless u are spec'd to beat him.

For Me unless the DK is really new to Pvp (bad) its not worth attacking. I'd need to specialize my build too much towards attacking DK to make it useful overall for me in pvp. (for me Mages fury, Mage's light, lightning staff, vel curse and a different ultimate would only be useful for killing DK's. These days i only run a 2H/bow stam sorc so if i see a DK half health ill crit rush and see if i can do some physical damage. If i did alot of 1v1 it might be different but usually i pass or exit most DK fights when i am alone. I do have pretty good sustain so i have plenty of time to escape.

Ace_SiN

DRAGONKNIGHT

DK has been king since forever. They are the "mage" of ESO. Anyone that played WoW should understand what I mean by that. Clearly someone at the top loves their DK.

technohic

SORCERER

indigoblades wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

Maybe in 1.5. Sorcerer these days aren't running away from you. They're kiting you away from the group. Using blink of course, but it's also mandatory to bunny-jump, because that will infuriate a bloodthirsty DK with tunnel vision. Eventually you'll find your self all alone in the wilderness, miles from the nearest keep, that's when the sorcerer suddenly turns around and *** all over you /pushups

Rule #1: Never chase the bolting Sorc.

Sorc Rule #1
Never attack a reflecting DK or any DK 1v1 unless u are spec'd to beat him.

For Me unless the DK is really new to Pvp (bad) its not worth attacking. I'd need to specialize my build too much towards attacking DK to make it useful overall for me in pvp. (for me Mages fury, Mage's light, lightning staff, vel curse and a different ultimate would only be useful for killing DK's. These days i only run a 2H/bow stam sorc so if i see a DK half health ill crit rush and see if i can do some physical damage. If i did alot of 1v1 it might be different but usually i pass or exit most DK fights when i am alone. I do have pretty good sustain so i have plenty of time to escape.

Saw a sorc wreck himself with his own meteor yesterday and I was the one that reflected it. He was skirting 3 of us trying to lure one of us out, shielding and bolting out whenever his shield got low; hitting me at range when he saw me healing, he got me pretty low making for a tempting target and that was when I switched to my sword and board and reflected.

indigoblades

DRAGONKNIGHT

technohic wrote: »

Saw a sorc wreck himself with his own meteor yesterday and I was the one that reflected it. He was skirting 3 of us trying to lure one of us out, shielding and bolting out whenever his shield got low; hitting me at range when he saw me healing, he got me pretty low making for a tempting target and that was when I switched to my sword and board and reflected.

Last wednesday i got meteor reflected back on me .... grrrrr since then im more careful with that ulty.

Again i voted DK, but the more i think about this i am having a hard time saying any class is super OP... for certain roles some are better in pvp in a rock, paper scissor sort of way... but i pvp in a guild with a top sorc, top DK and a top NB... all three rarely die and dish out a lot of damage, the sorc escapes more but dies more than the other 3, the nightblade almost never dies manages to slowly kill one by one. The DK (a stam DK) only dies if completly overun and takes a ton of people withj him if he dies, Again all three are great players. As for templars i have never grouped with a good templar so its hard for me to judge except my 1.6 alt i am leveling sure seems they have great DPS & healing, so my guess is they could be tops too. I do Know Healers are the MOST requested role in my pvp guild. Everytime we start pvp, the leader ask if we have a healer and Templar is hands down the best healer.

its really what role u want ... is 1v1 ur goal ... group support ... get AP the fastest ... have high kill ratio .... be a ganker .... such high sustain one never dies but cant dps. Again it is what ur pvp goals are& some class are less optimal at certain roles.

technohic

SORCERER

indigoblades wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Saw a sorc wreck himself with his own meteor yesterday and I was the one that reflected it. He was skirting 3 of us trying to lure one of us out, shielding and bolting out whenever his shield got low; hitting me at range when he saw me healing, he got me pretty low making for a tempting target and that was when I switched to my sword and board and reflected.

Last wednesday i got meteor reflected back on me .... grrrrr since then im more careful with that ulty.

Haha Yeah, I love it. After I ran into Teargrants once and was eating 16k crystals, I knew with my templar there was nothing I had that could match that and take down the shield, so I switched from the absorption to reflect and make sure I have stam to use it. I escape a lot of magicka users with that, running and spamming away as they all stun themselves.

maryriv

SORCERER

This poll is a good indicator of what class is played most (sorcs) and frequent the forums most (sorcs) and which class they hate the most (DK).

P.S. I'm not a DK hint hint.

indigoblades

DRAGONKNIGHT

maryriv wrote: »

This poll is a good indicator of what class is played most (sorcs) and frequent the forums most (sorcs) and which class they hate the most (DK).

P.S. I'm not a DK hint hint.

I see more DK than anything else in pvp & i definately dont hate dks, i think it is fun class to play .... i have a very good kill ratio against DK's but i never engage if i dont have an advantage... i never never 1v1 them with even resources.... if i am a stam sorc with crit rush and streak ill chase bolting escape sorc ... if i am magika with resto/destro, i wont chase blinking sorcs because we will just enter fight with low resources. At that point its dice toss whom will win & it leaves me open to if i need defend against 2v1.

Erlex

NIGHTBLADE

maryriv wrote: »

This poll is a good indicator of what class is played most (sorcs) and frequent the forums most (sorcs) and which class they hate the most (DK).

P.S. I'm not a DK hint hint.

Probably some truth to this. The most populated class is going to be on the top, and the hardest thing for that class to fight will be next closest.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

DRAGONKNIGHT

cumbee27_ESO wrote: »

Went with the Templar. Vamp bane into charge into sweep into strikes into jesus beam and things die. Plus the built in heals and a few mitigation abilities makes them very strong. Able to 1v2 1v3 seen a few 1v4 more then that and you'll likely need help, still very strong.

Clearly you haven't played a Templar mate. However if you have, I want your built and gear setup.......

Kupoking

Tbh id say that classes are all balanced in pvp for once. All of them are powerful and has great potential if played right.

arena25

NIGHTBLADE

I think really the class depends. I selected nightblades only because if one gets the drop on you, you're dead.

However, I think a strong case could be made for the strong damage of Sorcerer and maybe a couple cases for DK and Templar.