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Remove hardened ward
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✭To summarize this thread:
Those for it: "I stack so much magicka I can shield myself for 9-10k at any given moment, its wrong that anyone can kill me after stacking so much magicka that gives me both good damage and healing on top of super shields that I can spam for as long as somebody is attacking me, it is not fair"
Those against it: "I stack specifically to thwart your cheese, deal with it."
Fixed that for you. : )1 -
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✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.1 -
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✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
I'm calling NBs whiners because they're crying about the weakest of those 3 shields when they have access to both of the more powerful ones. Harness Magicka can actually be *free* to cast and completely negates 100% of magicka sorcs damage. If you're dying to Sorcs, it's because you're doing it wrong.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?0 -
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✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds. Without hardened ward, Sorcs are free AP Pinatas which is the entire purpose of the NB Nerf Sorc thread.
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✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds. Without hardened ward, Sorcs are free AP Pinatas which is the entire purpose of the NB Nerf Sorc thread.
So nightBlades are free realm points? Since they don't have hardened ward and rely on those shields you just listed.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds.I'm calling NBs whiners because they're crying about the weakest of those 3 shields when they have access to both of the more powerful ones.
This is strange.
A Sorc in LA *has* to use Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward isn't enough.
But a NB in LA doesn't need Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward are enough.
That is literally what you just said.Edited by Varicite on 21 March 2015 03:051 -
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✭✭✭✭Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds.I'm calling NBs whiners because they're crying about the weakest of those 3 shields when they have access to both of the more powerful ones.
This is strange.
A Sorc in LA *has* to use Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward isn't enough.
But a NB in LA doesn't need Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward are enough.
That is literally what you just said.
Captain obvious here. A NB is not a Sorc. Wearing light armor means you don't have the luxury of infinite dodge rolls. We don't have stealth, we don't have cloak.
Bolt escape doesn't mitigate damage, it can only put you in a place where you can't take damage given time. Consider my TTL in Cyrodiil with no shields up is 1-2 seconds, Bolt escape means jack.
Point being Sorcs and NBs are different classes and rely on difference skills to survive so quite crying about the skills a sorc has to use to survive. You guys really need to try playing a sorc in Cyrodiil some time.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
#1 DK and Temp have super shields as well.
In fact 1 shield of both of those classes hits you back
#2 That sorc shield is similar to a temporary HP buff.
Sorcs with really strong shields are going to have a small stam pool and and so so HP pool--- they got have something to offset their squishiness.
#3 this is s pvp issue I take it?
I cant imagine anyone is crying in PvE about it?
PvP since the dawn of PvP in these MMOs-- isn't about duels, and isn't about 1v1 play.
Every class has a skill or skills that will be viewed as OP by every other class.
You can go down the list and place some skill from a certain class that feels unbalanced IE
Talons, blazing shield, jabs, fear, stealth, corrosive armor, the list goes on.
But in the end, you do not see incompetent players excel using even the most powerful builds. in this game, unlike some other MMOS, its the player that makes the character.
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✭Captain obvious here. A NB is not a Sorc. Wearing light armor means you don't have the luxury of infinite dodge rolls. We don't have stealth, we don't have cloak.
Bolt escape doesn't mitigate damage, it can only put you in a place where you can't take damage given time. Consider my TTL in Cyrodiil with no shields up is 1-2 seconds, Bolt escape means jack.
Point being Sorcs and NBs are different classes and rely on difference skills to survive so quite crying about the skills a sorc has to use to survive. You guys really need to try playing a sorc in Cyrodiil some time.
1) You seem to think that a LA NB has "infinite dodge rolls". I don't even..
2) You seem to think that Cloak is even remotely close to as reliable as a shield. Maybe when it works. And people don't have detect pots. Or magelight. Or AoEs. Or the wind blows. But you're right, that's not half as many counters as shields, which are: wait, that's right, the only counter to shields is damage.
3) You seem to think that Shadow Barrier actually means that you can now tank damage in LA...
See, the thing is, I have played a Sorc in Cyro. But it doesn't seem like you've ever played a NB. <.<2 -
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✭kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »#1 DK and Temp have super shields as well.
In fact 1 shield of both of those classes hits you back
Yes, but this is a thread specifically about Hardened Ward and Sorcerers, which is why I continued talking about that topic. However, NBs were brought up and called whiners because they don't have a shield, so I responded to that.
But yes, every other class other than NB has shields. That's kind of the point that was being made, and how for some reason it's completely adequate for NBs to not have one, but inadequate for every other class.kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »#2 That sorc shield is similar to a temporary HP buff.
Sorcs with really strong shields are going to have a small stam pool and and so so HP pool--- they got have something to offset their squishiness.
Having a small stam pool because you invested only in magicka is absolutely not unique to Sorcerers. In fact, Sorcs fare the best doing that, because theirs is the only class shield that scales based on max magicka / spell damage.
Does a NB in LA suddenly not have a small stam pool and so so HP? Of course they do.kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »#3 this is s pvp issue I take it?
I cant imagine anyone is crying in PvE about it?
Yes, that is why it's in the PvP Combat & Skills forum. : Pkokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »Every class has a skill or skills that will be viewed as OP by every other class.
In this case, every class has a skill that they all say is a necessity, but none of them believe that NBs need one because they have a Cloak that works sometimes.
Back on topic, hmm? The real issue w/ Hardened Ward is that it is the only class-based shield that scales from max magicka. Make it HP-based like the other 2 class shields and call it a day.
Make a Sorc choose to be offensive or defensive like every other class in this game. They shouldn't just have the best of both worlds from investing in a single resource.Edited by Varicite on 21 March 2015 03:470 -
AriBoh✭✭✭✭✭Captain obvious here. A NB is not a Sorc. Wearing light armor means you don't have the luxury of infinite dodge rolls. We don't have stealth, we don't have cloak.
Bolt escape doesn't mitigate damage, it can only put you in a place where you can't take damage given time. Consider my TTL in Cyrodiil with no shields up is 1-2 seconds, Bolt escape means jack.
So adapt like everyone else and stop wearing 7/7 LA.kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
#1 DK and Temp have super shields as well.
In fact 1 shield of both of those classes hits you back
The difference with Temp and DK shields is that they need to pump huge amounts of points into health to get anywhere near the shield a sorc could get while maintaining a high magika pool. Temp for example needs 28000 hp just to get a 10k blazing shield when one enemy is in the 5m range, 8900 when no one is near to proc the extra 4%. I do not see many people running round with 28000 hp without the Emperorship Alliance Bonus and even then its not likely. Any way you do it you will be taking away from your magika pool and therefor lowering your overall dps. Sorcs do not have to make this trade off.Edited by AriBoh on 21 March 2015 04:10khele23eb17
Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.
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✭darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »The difference with Temp and DK shields is that they need to pump huge amounts of points into health to get anywhere near the shield a sorc could get while maintaining a high magika pool.
If you compare abilities in isolation, you miss the fact that Temps and DK's have substantial damage mitigation abilities and heals. It's a bit shortsighted to look at the shields without considering the overall survivability granted by things like Scales, GDB and the Templar heal tree.Snit AD Sorc
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AriBoh✭✭✭✭✭darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »The difference with Temp and DK shields is that they need to pump huge amounts of points into health to get anywhere near the shield a sorc could get while maintaining a high magika pool.
If you compare abilities in isolation, you miss the fact that Temps and DK's have substantial damage mitigation abilities and heals. It's a bit shortsighted to look at the shields without considering the overall survivability granted by things like Scales, GDB and the Templar heal tree.
And Bolt escape?khele23eb17
Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.
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Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!
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✭darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »The difference with Temp and DK shields is that they need to pump huge amounts of points into health to get anywhere near the shield a sorc could get while maintaining a high magika pool.
If you compare abilities in isolation, you miss the fact that Temps and DK's have substantial damage mitigation abilities and heals. It's a bit shortsighted to look at the shields without considering the overall survivability granted by things like Scales, GDB and the Templar heal tree.
And Bolt escape?
Bolt Escape is more about fleeing or repositioning than mitigation. But, yeah -- exactly. To look at class survivability, you have to look at the whole toolbox. Forgetting stuff like an entire healing tree or the ability to reflect damage makes the comparisons fairly unimportant.
Sorcs don't really have a class heal, so Conjured Ward is pretty important.
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✭✭✭darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »Captain obvious here. A NB is not a Sorc. Wearing light armor means you don't have the luxury of infinite dodge rolls. We don't have stealth, we don't have cloak.
Bolt escape doesn't mitigate damage, it can only put you in a place where you can't take damage given time. Consider my TTL in Cyrodiil with no shields up is 1-2 seconds, Bolt escape means jack.
So adapt like everyone else and stop wearing 7/7 LA.kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
#1 DK and Temp have super shields as well.
In fact 1 shield of both of those classes hits you back
The difference with Temp and DK shields is that they need to pump huge amounts of points into health to get anywhere near the shield a sorc could get while maintaining a high magika pool. Temp for example needs 28000 hp just to get a 10k blazing shield when one enemy is in the 5m range, 8900 when no one is near to proc the extra 4%. I do not see many people running round with 28000 hp without the Emperorship Alliance Bonus and even then its not likely. Any way you do it you will be taking away from your magika pool and therefor lowering your overall dps. Sorcs do not have to make this trade off.
True, they don't have to sacrifice DPS to increase their class specific shield strength. They have to sacrifice HP and stamina. That's the trade off. A sorcerer with a maxed out magicka pool is little more than wet tissue paper if their shield goes down for any reason. A templar that loses their shield with high HP investment can more or less brush it off.
Not to mention a class like the templar has a number of reliable healing options available to him. Sorcerers, not so much."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Shields are strong for any class, period. The point of me showing all of this is that. If you don't like damage shields, you're playing the wrong game.
Ultimately, I don't know what the massive crying about is from people about Hardened Ward. Magicka builds are going to have higher damage shields because most run light armor for full potential of their builds. Defensive mechanisms are available to all classes. If you haven't figured them out, or how to get around them, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.
Except for Nightblade Shields. Nightblade shields are pretty weak.
healing ward and dampen magic are actually the strongest shields you can have... last time ive checked Nbs had them in their repertoire...
Correct. Both healing ward and Dampen magic can *far* exceed the value given by Hardened Ward.
In Cyrodiil my Dampen Magick is upwards of 12K. My max healing ward is 16K. My Hardened ward is 10K.
Enough of this NB whining.
You can stack a 10k Hardened Ward on TOP of a 12k Dampen Magic AND a 16k Healing Ward.
But you're calling NBs whiners because they can't. Gotcha.
It seems NBs read as well as they play. The point is both of those shields are more powerful and both are accessible to *every* class in the game right now and both have higher potential values than anything Hardened Ward can deliver, in fact as we all become more powerful, the gap between those two spells and Hardened ward increases even further.
Which doesn't matter in the least bit because every other class also has access to both of those shields as well as their own class-based shield.
That is the real point that you seem to be missing.
But that's a horse to beat for another thread. If Hardened is such a weak shield, why would people use it?
Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds. Without hardened ward, Sorcs are free AP Pinatas which is the entire purpose of the NB Nerf Sorc thread.
So nightBlades are free realm points? Since they don't have hardened ward and rely on those shields you just listed.
yes quite often (sadly)- because alot of them want to play like full tanks on steroids delivering 10-20k hits while beeing invul.
does that warrant a hardend ward nerf ? i don´t think so. what needs to be changed is the reliability of cloak ALL the time and not only when facing only <10 enemys as a NB.Edited by Tankqull on 21 March 2015 09:07spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭Because as a Light Armor user you *have* to use it. That's what you're missing. If I let that shield go down for a split second I die every time. Harness Magicka doesn't save me from physical damage and Healing ward only lasts 4 seconds.I'm calling NBs whiners because they're crying about the weakest of those 3 shields when they have access to both of the more powerful ones.
This is strange.
A Sorc in LA *has* to use Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward isn't enough.
But a NB in LA doesn't need Hardened Ward because Harness + Healing Ward are enough.
That is literally what you just said.
not quite, but healing ward + LA-shield is not enough.
but healing + LA shield + either cloak+shadow or hardend ward + BE is in most cases enough.
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✭✭✭✭✭Francescolg wrote: »My best DD does about 600 dmg and has a 1 sec cast time combined with a heal debuff
are u pvping naked , using your bare hands or?Francescolg wrote: »My best DD does about 600 dmg and has a 1 sec cast time combined with a heal debuff
are u pvping naked , using your bare hands or?
He's still playing 1.5 and is waiting to try out 1.6.
What they need to do is bring medium armor down to the protection offered by light. Why should NBs and stamina builds get a max DPS armor and ability to dodge roll infinitely while sorcs have to rely on a single spell that we have to keep 100% full at all times lest we get 1-shot by any scrub with a bow?
Nail meet head.
I play all four classes, most know that. This is what I know in 2.0:
- My nightblade is RIDICULOUSLY powerful now. PvE or PvP. I didnt even have to change anything. Its the same medium armor weapon damage hundings/torugs build from 1.5 + champion points. Bow/DW and there are very very few builds I have met that actually worry me. Especially in chaotic mass PvP
- My DK has seen the most actual changes. I dropped destro and picked up 2-H. Switched to heavy armor for PvP, am looking to Medium for PvE. I hit like a truck, am very "tough" and have stamina for days. It takes many many people to take me down, its almost worse than my blockcast build in LA 2 months ago. I lost a little sustain DPS but my burst increased. Total revamp of playstyle and abilities, but this toon is strong.
- My templar has always been a full dedicated healer. High health/magicka with low stam, but spamming blazing shield. Now they gave me a ranged spell power based (lol im a healer my SP is through the roof already) execute I can spam for days. This toon got much stronger.
- My sorc caster got significantly weaker. So much weaker in fact that the existence of this thread genuinely surprises me. With all the physical damage spam out there now, medium armor 2 handers bows dual wields, I have to constantly shield stack just to SURVIVE much less do anything offensive. This build possibly needs a complete retool just to be competitive, but there people are crying about my hardened ward. I mean, without it my char would be completely useless, and I dont like the word useless in MMOs because most things rarely ever are (its usually a 1 percent minor difference some elitist is pushing about). But without shields? My sorc would be my glassiest char (every other one is tougher), with the lowest defense (my templar is similar but has powerful heals to keep her alive), with the second strongest offense (my nightblade blows this toon away in every metric, single, aoe, burst, sustain).
Literally the only thing my sorc would be able to do is run. Dont we have enough of that in the game? Do you want me to just avoid all fights forever? The moment I engage im dead in 2 seconds or less if I have no shields.
This can be said for nearly EVERY SORCERER IN THE GAME. So tell me then, naysayers of the thread... what is a sorc without hardened ward supposed to do to be able to PvP in this version of ESO? Im really curious, because its like you expect a bunch of easy free kills. What happened to fair and balanced combat eh?@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭✭✭✭✭The same thing nightblades in light armor do?https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks + sap essence (for offsetting the damage redux of siphoning attacks, plus a solid self heal) sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
I mean they didnt do anything like nerf crit surge or anything, thank god for that.... oh wait...Edited by Rylana on 21 March 2015 10:23@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.
yep, but i dont run an LA build on the NB, stamina medium.
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
like cloaking or shadowporting in both cases instantly breaking los denying everything aimed at you? suere would love too.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.
yep, but i dont run an LA build on the NB, stamina medium.
was pretty sure LA NB didnt even exist anymore, glad you mentioned it. does anyone still run it?
Stamina build it works good on, magicka builds I think ninja San runs it, he hit hard but I think it might of been because nirmhoned, sypher runs it as well, I still run it when I play, but I kind wanna do heavy armor magicka build.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.
yep, but i dont run an LA build on the NB, stamina medium.
was pretty sure LA NB didnt even exist anymore, glad you mentioned it. does anyone still run it?
Stamina build it works good on, magicka builds I think ninja San runs it, he hit hard but I think it might of been because nirmhoned, sypher runs it as well, I still run it when I play, but I kind wanna do heavy armor magicka build.
Yeah a couple of exceptional players only are able to make it work. This is the fate of light armor in general. Only templar healspecs and sorc casters are currently able to pull it off because they have class lines able to support it.
Those class lines being daedric summoning and restoring light. What OP is essentially asking for would be like...
"Templar Breath of Life is OP, please remove it because its wrong a fully specced magicka templar can refill his lifebar"
If a healspec light templar cant heal, and a magicka spec sorc cant shield... what are they? Dead.
The real culprit in all of this, I hate to say it, is actually magicka cost reduction enchants (and stam ones too for stam builds)
-600 magicka cost (or stam cost) makes for some pretty hilarious results, such as you mentioned above. My unstable flame on the DK, for example, costs like 650 stamina. I literally can spam it forever because my regen is high enough.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.
yep, but i dont run an LA build on the NB, stamina medium.
was pretty sure LA NB didnt even exist anymore, glad you mentioned it. does anyone still run it?
i´m duoing really successfully with a magica NB. he´s as durable as my sorc. (spec wise its comparable to what sypher is using)has a higher DPS but lesser burst and tons more of utility.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The same thing nightblades in light armor do?
Having siphoning attacks sure would be nice... unlimited magicka and stamina while AOEing sure is a wonderous thing.
Do you actually run siphoning attacks in 1.6? I mean funnel health is so cheap, 2k magicka regen and you don't need squat for siphoning.
yep, but i dont run an LA build on the NB, stamina medium.
was pretty sure LA NB didnt even exist anymore, glad you mentioned it. does anyone still run it?
i´m duoing really successfully with a magica NB. he´s as durable as my sorc. (spec wise its comparable to what sypher is using)has a higher DPS but lesser burst and tons more of utility.
I tried for a bit to make magicka DK and magicka NB work (with HA and LA respectively). Results were mixed, but the DK was a nearly impossible to kill tank with infinite self heals (using cost redux + tripots + magma shell) that did relatively low overall damage but could talons well enough. The nightblade was kind of a joke. I could do massive damage, but was so squishy I immediately dropped LA entirely.
I dunno, I try to think about builds all the time, and I cant come up with a viable NB LA spec that fits my playstyle. Maybe some can, I just cant figure it out really, not wired for it I guess. Heard a lot of the same story in guilds I run in, the former super spike ambush and cloak routine wasnt working anymore. Practically everyone I know is a 2H/Dual wield medium spec. I only hold onto my bow now because I dont have the SPs left to finish a new line.Edited by Rylana on 21 March 2015 10:44@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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