Remove hardened ward

k2blader

No.

Also, why do so many people want to make the sorc class a guaranteed free kill? Are they just that stupid?

olsborg

nothing2591 wrote: »

i cant belive this spell is still in the game, its so stupid that sorcs can shield for 100% of their hp with the press of 1 button.

then remove blocking, healing and dodging too, then id be onboard.

Teargrants

k2blader wrote: »

No.

Also, why do so many people want to make the sorc class a guaranteed free kill? Are they just that stupid?

Potatoes gonna potate.

Cody

What you have a problem with is damage shield stacking friend, not just one ability.

jelliedsoup

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

k2blader

Wahee wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

i cant belive this spell is still in the game, its so stupid that sorcs can shield for 100% of their hp with the press of 1 button.

It does NOT shield for 100% HP.

Here is mine:



This is a 48.3% shield. Nowhere near a 100% one. That 9,927 damage shield can be blown off with one wrecking blow, crit. charge, snipe, etc. etc.

Please don't post about things you obviously know nothing about.

no it can't. 9927, would break only on a crit. Basically, lethal arrow crit and wrecking blow crit. My 2400 weapon damage for lethal arrow is 4-8k depending on distance and armor, wrecking blow 7-8 without crit. Basically the skill is trading 1 skill push for 2 offensive skills (non crit) right now on a pure weapon damage build.

Granted my crits hit for 12-13k so that would break it, but only coming out of stealth.

the dmg i´m eating on my sorc is speakin a different language...

I'd like the be the one to point out that you can't crit dmg shields. All this talk of breaking shields in one hit just isn't true. The highest base (tooltip) damage you could see might be a 10k wrecking blow from a full glass cannon. Most single damage shields take 2-3 heavy hits to break in normal fighting.

Hardened ward can easily be broken in one hit so I'm not sure wth you're talking about. My Hardened Ward is around 8k-ish. Regardless if it takes one hit (it can and does) or two to break it, why in the world would anyone think it's reasonable I shouldn't be able to put it back up as part of my defensive strategy wearing mostly cloth?

Teargrants

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

AltusVenifus

Teargrants wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

He is probably playing the class that does have either of those skills.

TheBonesXXX

Attrition is a beautiful thing, the moment you realize you're not spec'd to fight the war of attrition; is the day you change your spec!

Teargrants

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

He is probably playing the class that does have either of those skills.

You mean the class with 30% stam regen letting him keep rally + vigor + elude up all the time, and infinite dodge roll when he wants?

jelliedsoup

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Attrition is a beautiful thing, the moment you realize you're not spec'd to fight the war of attrition; is the day you change your spec!

Or shake your head at the devs.

jelliedsoup

Teargrants wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

You can put agree rather than just a thinly veiled attempt to shift the context.

AltusVenifus

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

He is probably playing the class that does have either of those skills.

You mean the class with 30% stam regen letting him keep rally + vigor + elude up all the time, and infinite dodge roll when he wants?

Lol... I completely agree... a 30 stamina regeneration passive is way better than having a class heal or damage shield... some people just don't get it... but we sure do! I mean werewolf stamina regeneration is op, maybe we should start a nerf ww thread

jelliedsoup

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Shields and healing are way too strong in this game.

Anyone who uses these will beat someone who doesn't.


Well, there it is...

Well there what is? A statement that people who use abilities to boost their sustain are able to sustain more than those who don't?

He is probably playing the class that does have either of those skills.

You mean the class with 30% stam regen letting him keep rally + vigor + elude up all the time, and infinite dodge roll when he wants?

Lol if you think im a certain class try listing class skills.

Teargrants

Do you guys even PvP? Vigor + Rally is an extremely strong heal, NB stam build synergizes with it better than any other class because of the extra stam regen. Stacking regen is extremely powerful without soft caps. NBs can easily stack over 3k stam regen and literally dodge roll forever. Dodge roll will mitigate all almost all types of incoming dmg for the couple seconds, shields will only mitigate a set amount.

Next you will say "can't dps while dodging", which isn't true if you weave atks between dodges.

jelliedsoup

Teargrants wrote: »

Do you guys even PvP? Vigor + Rally is an extremely strong heal, NB stam build synergizes with it better than any other class because of the extra stam regen. Stacking regen is extremely powerful without soft caps. NBs can easily stack over 3k stam regen and literally dodge roll forever. Dodge roll will mitigate all almost all types of incoming dmg for the couple seconds, shields will only mitigate a set amount.

Next you will say "can't dps while dodging", which isn't true if you weave atks between dodges.

Nah ill keep on about saying weapon and armour skills are class based.

Vis

Ummm, no. Just no. Have you seen any alive sorcs without shields? Thought so.

jelliedsoup

Vis wrote: »

Ummm, no. Just no. Have you seen any alive sorcs without shields? Thought so.

True sorcs always have been the tanks in most games.

TheBonesXXX

jelliedsoup wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Attrition is a beautiful thing, the moment you realize you're not spec'd to fight the war of attrition; is the day you change your spec!

Or shake your head at the devs.

Why shake your head at the devs when Attrition is the way to win wars/battles?

Tankqull

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Attrition is a beautiful thing, the moment you realize you're not spec'd to fight the war of attrition; is the day you change your spec!

awesome for the truth

LegendaryMage

I've played without daedric ward for quite awhile back in 1.5 and now in 1.6, it's certainly possible to kill stuff as a stamina user but the imbalance is just incredible. I can list you reasons and reasons of why other classes are more powerful as stamina versions than sorcerers but if you take away daedric ward from magicka users, then please take away offensive block casting as well.

olsborg

People(sorcs) using hardened ward and harness/dampen magicka is the real issue, and shieldstacking in general, not hardened ward alone. I havent shieldstacked since 1.3...it feels lame. I encourage others to not shieldstack, but most of all I hope they limit shields when they are stacked, iow nerf shieldstacking.

Septimus_Magna

@nothing2591 YEAH, great suggestion! Lets remove the only defensive spell sorcs have that comes close to a self heal. Lets also remove streak, crystal frags and transform sorcs into a true splashing magikarp.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Don't remove it, but for everyone else not spamming wrecking going through 9-14k of shields only for the sorc to pop it back up to full in a single press is kinda ridiculous.

sounds like they should remove wrecking blow rather than hardened ward.

Merlin13KAGL

olsborg wrote: »

People(sorcs) using hardened ward and harness/dampen magicka is the real issue, and shieldstacking in general, not hardened ward alone. I havent shieldstacked since 1.3...it feels lame. I encourage others to not shieldstack, but most of all I hope they limit shields when they are stacked, iow nerf shieldstacking.

Seems we have a full corral of dead horses here...

I'll reiterate a few key (missed) points:

• Shields eat unmitigated damage. No block reductions, no armor reductions, no spell resist reductions, very few CP reductions. FFD (Full ******* damage).
• Harness/Dampen is available to all classes - it's not Sorc exclusive.
• Harness/Dampen does nothing for physical damage. It's for magicka based damage only.
• Guessing OP is not wearing LA. It wasn't broken down as it should have been 1/3 , 2/3, 3/3 Armor class, but skewed very heavily towards medium and heavy. Shields are the only real answer to that.
• LA doesn't even get the Spell resist bonus to match what it used to be, where MA/HA get it 1:1 (where it makes zero sense)
• If the sorc you're fighting is recasting shield every hit, their regen is through the roof. If their regen is through the roof, their health and Magicka are likely not. If their Magicka is not, they are certainly not conjuring a 100% HP shield and also certainly not sporting 35k HP like some running around out there.
• If same sorc is doing the above, that's all they're getting done. They might not be dying, but neither are you.

No class is unkillable. No build is unkillable. Period.

Rylana

Sorry OP, youre just gonna have to keep flinging lethal arrows at me from the keep walls and ill just mock you by pressing 2 over and over and over and over and over and over and over

And I might even crystal frag your ass for the trouble while im at it.

Stop trying to plink me from range and I wouldnt troll you with shields. Fair enough? Fair enough.

Deviante

always amusing how fast all the sorcs jump up and down claiming there *** isnt ridiculous

technohic

Last time someone whined about this, I think my blazing shield/radiant ward took the bigger hit. Knock it off already.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

First off to all the Sorcs incase you don't know ALL sorcerers spam stack shields which means people will get them nerfed at some point thank your friends with 24-28k Magic and unlimited Magica with heavy resto for that

Having a 9k damage shield basically forces Stamina builds to make 3-4k weapon damage slamming you with 12-17k crit Snipes I would know I'm one of them (3k WD 12k Focused Aim) this will continue a perpetual cycle of more power > more shields > more power > more shields just accept it and move on

Rylana

Deviante wrote: »

always amusing how fast all the sorcs jump up and down claiming there *** isnt ridiculous

Always amuses me how when you take away literally the only real defense a sorc has, they become nothing but a one shot kill because most are LA with sub20k health.

Oh, thats what you want isnt it. Single button easy mode. Sorry about that, wont let it happen.