How Long Does it Take You to Get a Champion Point?

Joejudas

Berinima wrote: »

I agree with you that at some point a bunch of CPs won't make any difference. But until then, many people will just have quit the game (at least I *think* so) and new people will have a hard time to catch up to that point where a bunch of CP don't matter.

Also it's a psychological problem:

- First, ZOS takes away LOTS of progression that has already BEEN MADE.
- Then they say "Hey, we reserved them for you in this amazing new system! You can get them back by playing the game you love!"
- We are then wondering, "Um, well, how would we do that? There is no content left!"
- ZOS goes like, "You can grind them or do daylies, that's efficient!"
- And then the community is more like, "F*** you!"

Bad game design.

Simple solution :
Keep all the nerfs in place and make the exp for a cp 200k. That makes it two hours for a cp non enlightened and a half hour for enlightened folks. That way it's still long enough to be pain for us exp grinders and easy enough for the more casual player.

Berinima

I have to disagree. This solves nothing it just makes it more bearable. The problems still persist and it's still bad game design. That being said, some people like that kind of design. I don't and the majority of people *seem* to be on the same page. We are just trying to warn ZOS what *might* happen.

Joejudas

Can all agree there is a problem with it. I'll keep putting in feedback in the game about it

Tankqull

McDoogs wrote: »

Cyrodiil daily quests are at least as boring as grinding mobs imo

and on live you wont be able to do it anyway as the ganks squads lurking around will send you right back home to the next transitus shrine...

Arkadius

Tankqull wrote: »

McDoogs wrote: »

Cyrodiil daily quests are at least as boring as grinding mobs imo

and on live you wont be able to do it anyway as the ganks squads lurking around will send you right back home to the next transitus shrine...

Also, pvp'ers wouldn't be happy, if pve'ers flooded their already full campaigns.
Each fraction would need its own pve campaign.... (possibly without buffs, but that's another story)

Berinima

I have a fantastic idea for ZOS!

Revise the system the following way:

- Instead of having 1200 levels of champion b*** s*** do 1.200.000 levels.
- But let the power gain from level 1 to 1.200.000 approximately 0.0000001% (not per level, in total).
- The first level of the champion system brings every character back to their performance pre patch.
- That level is rewarded to every active account.
- To cause the illusion of a meaningful progression multiply every stat in the game by 1.000
- So everyone who wants to grind out a progression can do that.
- Everyone else can go back to PvP and enjoy the game.

Joejudas

The problem was solved for me when they announced b2p if this is the system we are getting

xaade

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149308/gain-cp-the-way-you-gain-ultimate#latest

Is this a solution.

Give every action that should be rewarded a point in a bucket, that converts into CP over time?

Mettaricana

after testing it myself now the champ point rates are total bull should be 200k or less i figure 100k for optimal playing enjoyment if i didnt wanna grind for vet levels why would i wanna grind almost 1 vet level for 2 lousy points

Snit

Please don't let this end up being 'Dailies.' So many MMO's end up as a daily job -- log in and do your chores.

No thanks. I always quit MMO's when I get to the point of having daily chores to do.

mauritius.krebsb16_ESO

i think 100k exp for one cp and 50k exp while enlightened is MORE than enough. to fully max the system it'd still require 360 million exp, that's like grinding from vr1 to vr14 27 times. even only unlocking all 120 point passives would require 108 million (54 million while enlightened), which is still leveling from vr1 to vr14 8 times or 4 times while enlightened. that's absolutely reasonable and would still keep even the most hardcore players busy for months. 400k per point is just an insult to every sane person.

prototypefb

This thread(option 3) offers new type of system that is fair to every player, whateve he does in game, with gradual CP gain just about same for anyone, instead of forced grind that is upon us with 1.6 system.

Berinima

Max2497

It's too long. After about an hour of questing and four hours of DSA, I finally got a CP. At least part of the time, I was enlightened. It needs to be more like 200-300 while not enlightened. I don't want to be able to earn
CPs too fast, but it need to at least feel like it's doable. I'll keep playing because I love the game, but right now, the CPs are not an incentive to play.

Casdha

I tested this today and I finished one point and got a whole other one in about an hour. To be fair both points were when I was Enlightened.

I just set out just to see how long it would take if this is all I did and did some grinding in Abamath in Malabal Tor. In a little over an hour I maxed out WW from level 6 and got over 600K XP towards Champion Points.

Edit: I just tried this again and I just got another and had 40k to start with see the time stamps to see how long it took.

Berinima

Oh dear... Do you really want to GRIND 1130 CPs? Do you even want to grind your old performance back? I don't. Nobody argues that it's not possible. The people that don't like it are arguing that it is an unnecessary, meaningless and unfair grind and that it is entirely possible that the system is not in place to entertain players but to make $$$ out of the cash shop.

And aaaall the problems that occur with the system STILL persist no matter if it's possible to grind one friggin' point out of 1200 in one hour.

Casdha

With enlightened it is less than 200 at about 2k a kill.

Raeder

I think CPs given to VR 14 characters should be based on time spent on the character + some amount given based on the quests that they've done and the achievements.

I know I am going to feel cheated because I completed all, and I mean all of the solo story content, and I know a lot of people didn't. And apparently, that is the only real way to get CP.

Kevinmon

i have played pts for at least 10 hours and i still am only about 10% to 1 champion point on my bar

Joejudas

Kevinmon wrote: »

i have played pts for at least 10 hours and i still am only about 10% to 1 champion point on my bar

This is why we are concerned

Mettaricana

So far just playing the game dungeons enemies questing its like vr grind all over again only only with nerfed places to grind and still needing 10 mil... champion points are just way to hard to gain for the pathetic increase amounts. if this isnt fixed and reduced massively im probly walking away from eso as will alot of others we got better stuff to do than play Elder scrolls online Grind Unlimited

I dont have 17,000 hours to dedicate just to reach pitiful amounts of champion exp rather see 100k or less since diminishing returns mean that each point will be less worth the hassle so why grind 400k over 10 hours for 0.1% it just sucks....

trimsic_ESO

Daily quests in Cyrodiil at one spot : about 1 CP

trimsic_ESO

Mettaricana wrote: »

So far just playing the game dungeons enemies questing its like vr grind all over again only only with nerfed places to grind and still needing 10 mil... champion points are just way to hard to gain for the pathetic increase amounts. if this isnt fixed and reduced massively im probly walking away from eso as will alot of others we got better stuff to do than play Elder scrolls online Grind Unlimited

I dont have 17,000 hours to dedicate just to reach pitiful amounts of champion exp rather see 100k or less since diminishing returns mean that each point will be less worth the hassle so why grind 400k over 10 hours for 0.1% it just sucks....

IMHO the problem is not the Champion System; It could be alright if 1 CP could be granted for 200k XP for instance. The real problem is the lack of stuff in this game. The stuff is not epic, not rewarding, and this is a major issue.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO

I am not on pts but i am reading what u guys wrote in this thread. Obviously ZOS is not learning from their mistakes. Vet grind eroded player base coz people didnt get satisfaction with progression method. Now again ZOS is setting unrealistic goals infront of players and instead staying in game and progressing people will again burn out and leave. I really dont care how they will solve issue but they better solve it and make champ point system work in way that people are pleased with what they get. If ZOS releases champion progression as it is - they will waste probably last opportunity.
Let say that average player of this game is spending 2 hours per day online , if we say that 30% of champ points are useful for his char it would mean that he has to make cca 400 champ points to feel his char is more or less complete. John Doe has to feel progression every day ( multiple times ) if we want him back. So basicaly it would mean that he has to earn at least 1 Champ point per hour.It would mean that that guy will make his char complete in 200 days. From your perspective it means 200 days of reciclying old content and in that period u can design some new stuff. Dont be greedy.
Only currency average Joe should pay is time he invested . There are x activities on which people enjoy spending there time like pvp , questing , dungeons, trials, crafting ... each of those activites has to deliver same amount of champ points / hour.
Some people might say - but some people spend more time and they will progress faster - answer is yes - they deserve it.
Quality and desiability of this game ( as any other game ) will result with larger player base and larger player base will eventually improve game . If u will not keep average Joe satisfied - your player base will be reduced and eventually game dies.
ZOS dont make same mistake again make it simple and sweet.

trimsic_ESO

@tino.antoninieb17_ESO‌
I agree with part of what you said. ZOS does not learn from their mistakes, at least they take time to learn from their mistakes.

The champion system is a very good system; it provides people with long term objectives and this is great in my opinion. But 1.6 does not provide people with short term or mid term objectives: have epic new gear. The lack of epic new gear is what makes people leave the game. For instance, I can redo the same dungeons again and again. But if I can't get any new great stuff, then I will stop. I can play in Cyrodiil again and again. But if I can't get any new great stuff or skills, I will stop for the same reason.

Want to save ESO? Add continuously new gear that substantially increase the power of our characters, and implement a season system that reduces the gap between the HCG and the casual players.

But once again, the Champion System is alright in it's current form, for long term achievements.

Armitas

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

I did a gold pledge (forgot to pick up quest), did a craglorn dungeon and non vet DSA and never got a point.

ashlee17

Deminishing returns on champion points is enough to keep us all together- Please don't add enlightenment to make it 4 time harder to get a CP when you want to earn more than 1 in a 24hour period.

Just make it a flat rate- or if you can't do that make enlightenment a 2x bonus- 4x is just ridiculous.

1 hour enlightened - 2 hours unenlightened would be less of a punishment for those who can play more.

Or do something like suggested in this thread...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1522428/#Comment_1522428

And please please- give pvpers some better xp- I don't even pvp but I feel for those that do.

And also please please give us crafters some love xp wise. We make our own gear - we help others make their gear- you are nerfing our hirelings so please give us crafters some xp love for a change

BoloBoffin

I just streamed a marathon 7.5 hour session. I took a 15-minute break. I used my AD toon who was VR1 and took him through the level-appropriate content in the EP. I've played that content at least 6 times, more if you count the beta play, so I was able to pick them up and put them down. I did talk to people as they chatted with me - not much of that. I spent every point I earned and every skill point as well when I earned them.

I started about 2/3rds of the way through Bleakrock. I almost made it to the endgame content of Stonefalls. I even found M'aiq in Bal Foyen!

I got 7 Champion Points.

I suppose I must have been Enlightened the whole time. But without a doubt, it's absolutely true for Zenimax to say that you can earn a point an hour under Enlightenment conditions. I just did on the PvE side. PvP might be a different story.

PS: Zenimax, the retooled content here and there is just as nice as it can be.

Enodoc

I've read through most of this thread; I just want to summarize what I think are being stated as the major issues, if someone would be good enough to confirm that I have understood properly:

• 400,000 XP per CP is too much
• 4x XP while Enlightened is too much
• PvP does not give enough XP (or CP should also come from AP)
• Crafting should give some XP (or CP should also come from Inspiration)
• Pickpocketing/Lockpicking should give XP

Shadesofkin

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

I did a gold pledge (forgot to pick up quest), did a craglorn dungeon and non vet DSA and never got a point.

I can confirm this. I was in that pledge and the DSA run. I didn't gain a CP either.