^ I seriously get that song in my head at some point just about every day in ESO.
hammer_fella wrote: »^ I seriously get that song in my head at some point just about every day in ESO.
To address the OP, it doesn't seem like your math supports your argument.
For example, there are more than 60 available quests in Stormhaven
hammer_fella wrote: »^ I seriously get that song in my head at some point just about every day in ESO.
To address the OP, it doesn't seem like your math supports your argument.
For example, there are more than 60 available quests in Stormhaven (the zone I last completed - this also doesn't include any XP from dailies like Writs, Pledges, etc. and I'm not even mentioning PvP). Not all are major quests, but a majority are, and in combination with the other sources of XP you list I expect you'll meet the requirements to level up relatively easily in the course of running through a zone naturally, unless of course it is your intent to grind as fast as humanly possible, in which case I'm afraid I don't sympathize. It's called grinding for a reason.
P.S. Also, you don't get two rewards for Major quests, as you call them. You get the quest XP, and then a large XP bonus from doing all the quests in a particular area and marking the area as complete.
I just ran for ~3.5 hours in a Vr8 zone. Got 200,000 experience, including 7 quests (about 1/6 of the zone). At least at VR8 this is on track for 1 VR level / zone (Rivenspire, Cadwells Gold) and about 17 hours or so, or pretty much what I was doing pre-1.5.
So, bottom line, no change. I think that people aren't doing apples to apples comparisons with what happened before - do you know how many mobs you actually take out on average? Because I got about 58K from quests, 30K from running through the public dungeon with a group. Given that "not much" is the usual for world boss / exp / dolmen , that probably means around 100K from monsters in 3 hours or so. Which is...not unreasonable, especially since they're worth a bit more in a VR8 zone.
There's no bluff to call. Nothing I said is in dispute. Your own numbers prove my point. You want to go tally all the XP from each individual quest, be my guest.onlinegamer1 wrote: »I'm going to go ahead and call your bluff.
Post all the quests in Stormhaven and their XP.
Note: The ESO Wiki has the complete list of quests and POIs and delves and world bosses and dolmens - go ahead - post specifics.
hammer_fella wrote: »^ I seriously get that song in my head at some point just about every day in ESO.
To address the OP, it doesn't seem like your math supports your argument.
For example, there are more than 60 available quests in Stormhaven (the zone I last completed - this also doesn't include any XP from dailies like Writs, Pledges, etc. and I'm not even mentioning PvP). Not all are major quests, but a majority are, and in combination with the other sources of XP you list I expect you'll meet the requirements to level up relatively easily in the course of running through a zone naturally, unless of course it is your intent to grind as fast as humanly possible, in which case I'm afraid I don't sympathize. It's called grinding for a reason.
P.S. Also, you don't get two rewards for Major quests, as you call them. You get the quest XP, and then a large XP bonus from doing all the quests in a particular area and marking the area as complete.
hammer_fella wrote: »There's no bluff to call. Nothing I said is in dispute. Your own numbers prove my point. You want to go tally all the XP from each individual quest, be my guest.onlinegamer1 wrote: »I'm going to go ahead and call your bluff.
Post all the quests in Stormhaven and their XP.
Note: The ESO Wiki has the complete list of quests and POIs and delves and world bosses and dolmens - go ahead - post specifics.
For the sake of argument:
Let's imagine 30 quests are major quests. That is 50% of the XP required.
Let's imagine 35 quests are minor quests. That is 25% of the XP required.
Kill 500 monsters and/or some chest looting/world bosses/exploration/whatever other granularity I'm too lazy to compute and you very easily get your other 25% of the XP required.
Not rocket science.
I'm using the numbers the OP provided which are the basis for the thread... combined with a liberal dose of common sense and basic logic.Post your XP rewards, in the current game.
And... PS... can you even tell us what the XP bonus is for doing the quests now? I'll wait.
I already said I just finished completing Stormhaven which has an achievement for completing 60 quests. There are actually several more in the zone. What game are you playing?ROFL! How many quests do you think there are per zone?
I just ran for ~3.5 hours in a Vr8 zone. Got 200,000 experience, including 7 quests (about 1/6 of the zone). At least at VR8 this is on track for 1 VR level / zone (Rivenspire, Cadwells Gold) and about 17 hours or so, or pretty much what I was doing pre-1.5.
So, bottom line, no change. I think that people aren't doing apples to apples comparisons with what happened before - do you know how many mobs you actually take out on average? Because I got about 58K from quests, 30K from running through the public dungeon with a group. Given that "not much" is the usual for world boss / exp / dolmen , that probably means around 100K from monsters in 3 hours or so. Which is...not unreasonable, especially since they're worth a bit more in a VR8 zone.
hammer_fella wrote: »
hammer_fella wrote: »
For the 27th time... I'm extrapolating the OP's numbers.So you extrapolated with your own numbers... what was YOUR xp bonus?
At no point did I say I completed the entirety of zone in one night, only that I finished the last of the quests in Stormhaven recently and so that was fresh in my mind...OH... so now you did all of Stormhaven tonight?
hammer_fella wrote: »For the 27th time... I'm extrapolating the OP's numbers.So you extrapolated with your own numbers... what was YOUR xp bonus?At no point did I say I completed the entirety of zone in one night, only that I finished the last of the quests in Stormhaven recently and so that was fresh in my mind... are you learning impaired or do you just get a hard-on whenever facts fly in the face of your gut feelings?OH... so now you did all of Stormhaven tonight?
Try reading it again, because I also said "for the sake of argument," again, to provide some simple application giving context to the OP's numbers.Edit: As I reread your post... you post that a majority of quests are "major", then that 30 of 65 are "major". You provide no information, no xp rewards for the cadwell lines or of the other minor lines that might qualify. You just say he's wrong based on your loose numbers. I'm open to a reasoned argument. Provide one.
I didn't realize I was required to form a 'direct argument.' I was responding to the premise of the OP. That is how threads work.27th time... hyperbole much?
Ok... so you extrapolated someones else's numbers... I'll buy that.
So you have no direct argument.
Thanks.
You are certain ONLY Cadwell's quest chains count as 'major quests'?onlinegamer1 wrote: »http://dulfy.net/2014/03/30/eso-stormhaven-quest-guide/
There are no Main Quests, Fighters Guild quests, or Mage Guild quests in VR content.
Therefore, there are 71 total quests in the zone, which includes even "delve" quests (the quests you can get while in delves).
Minor quests are 0.75% of the total, each.
Major quests are 1.6% of the total, each.
Cadwell's Silver contains 5 quest chains (5 major quests).
Therefore, there are 66 minor quests and 5 major quests in the zone.
66 minor quests = 49.5% of your level.
5 major quests = 8% of your level.
Total: 57.5% of your level from all quests.
Are you saying that kills, dolmens, exploration (ROFLMAO!) and chest XP will get you the other 42.5% XP and that THAT isn't an XP nerf and a requirement for massive grinding?
o.O
I just ran for ~3.5 hours in a Vr8 zone. Got 200,000 experience, including 7 quests (about 1/6 of the zone). At least at VR8 this is on track for 1 VR level / zone (Rivenspire, Cadwells Gold) and about 17 hours or so, or pretty much what I was doing pre-1.5.
So, bottom line, no change. I think that people aren't doing apples to apples comparisons with what happened before - do you know how many mobs you actually take out on average? Because I got about 58K from quests, 30K from running through the public dungeon with a group. Given that "not much" is the usual for world boss / exp / dolmen , that probably means around 100K from monsters in 3 hours or so. Which is...not unreasonable, especially since they're worth a bit more in a VR8 zone.
You got 58k from what quests?
You keep spewing this... back it up.
yes, earlier the faction main quest was an huge part of the xp you got in the VR zone, some says the majority.lordrichter wrote: »Don't forget that there is a pending XP bug fix related to quests that has them capped at a lower level than what they intend.
onlinegamer1 wrote: »66 minor quests = 49.5% of your level.
5 major quests = 8% of your level.
Total: 57.5% of your level from all quests.
Are you saying that kills, dolmens, exploration (ROFLMAO!) and chest XP will get you the other 42.5% XP and that THAT isn't an XP nerf and a requirement for massive grinding?
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:We’re trying to be fairly open with our numbers by communicating our target leveling times, but in the interest of more clarity here are a few more details:
- We add experience multipliers to quests, usually depending on the time taken and relative difficulty. Those experience multipliers look like this:
- Very Easy = .1
- Easy = .75
- Standard = 1
- Hard = 1.5
- Very Hard = 2.25
- Point of Interest completion also has these modifiers applied, but most are set to “Standard.”
- Dungeon quest completion has an experience modifier of “Very Hard.”
- We do clamp experience so a single event can’t get you more than 10 percent of your current level.
onlinegamer1 wrote: »66 minor quests = 49.5% of your level.
5 major quests = 8% of your level.
Total: 57.5% of your level from all quests.
Are you saying that kills, dolmens, exploration (ROFLMAO!) and chest XP will get you the other 42.5% XP and that THAT isn't an XP nerf and a requirement for massive grinding?
This investigation might need bit more in depth than just minor and major quest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139486/experience-versus-veteran-point-gainZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:We’re trying to be fairly open with our numbers by communicating our target leveling times, but in the interest of more clarity here are a few more details:
- We add experience multipliers to quests, usually depending on the time taken and relative difficulty. Those experience multipliers look like this:
- Very Easy = .1
- Easy = .75
- Standard = 1
- Hard = 1.5
- Very Hard = 2.25
- Point of Interest completion also has these modifiers applied, but most are set to “Standard.”
- Dungeon quest completion has an experience modifier of “Very Hard.”
- We do clamp experience so a single event can’t get you more than 10 percent of your current level.
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Do I really need to post the value of Dolmens, delve completions, and world bosses to prove there is not enough XP in a VR Zone without grinding your face off now?