Urgent Hotfix Required

Neferath

Tbh there has been that much exploting, emp-trading and so on on every single side of every single campain on both (us/eu) servers that they should just finish the campains with no reward or whatsoever compensation for anyone.

Since all those players who didnt participate on any action like we above mentioned would get punished for playing legit anyways if those rewards / compensations are granted, i'd say punish all those exploiters too through showing them that all their efforts to exploit skills and mechanics in order to get the most AP have been nothing but a waste of time and effort.

Just like playing legit and hoping to stay on the top leaderboard ranks was a waste of time and effort for all the legit players out there ...

Gilvoth

i was 5th inline for emperor on scourge campaign, so basicly when it was deleted i got nothing for rewards and the dev said no one on that campaign will get rewards. but here the exploiters get rewarded for exploit AP gain?

Limitless

No one else finds this whole thing hilarious?

galiumb16_ESO

I think they should just ban everyone they find up there permanently.

Brynmere

Morticielle wrote: »

Back in the Good Old Days in DAoC a GM would have spawned a group of Level-109-Guards (players could reach only level 50) and they would have killed any exploiter instantly. Nowadays there seems to be no simple solution anymore ...

BTW: Greetings to Ex-DAoC-GM Sterntaler aka Kai Schober.

Haha. I remember that name!

SwampRaider

JeffKnight wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

Anybody else notice that the DC mage guards at scrol lgates are missing?

On volendrung..its as if the mages on top of the gates have been deleted

Same on Auriel's Bow NA. DC's guards went on strike!

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

KerberosSoldier

I think it is a little unfair to assume every time someone chains someone up to the spawn are athat it is automatically exploiting. It could be that the enemy pushed pass the gate and are gathering outside of the spawn area and then someone that is uh.. not so smart chains a v12 up to try to kill him but gets killed and now the v12 is in the spawn area killing ppl.

Turelus

I hope they actually bother to ban the people abusing this, because yeah... this is pretty dumb.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

We found the gremlins keeping Daggerfall guards from showing up at the gates and they'll be back by this afternoon. We are digging into why the teleport/kill zone isn't functioning in spawn in locations for Daggerfall at this time.

Turelus

EU Dawnbreaker has members of EP online right now abusing this and posting in zone chat how to join them.

Would be nice to see some GM staff actively online for this one.

SwampRaider

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We found the gremlins keeping Daggerfall guards from showing up at the gates and they'll be back by this afternoon. We are digging into why the teleport/kill zone isn't functioning in spawn in locations for Daggerfall at this time.

Yay!!!

ThyIronFist

Same is happening in the EU Dawnbreaker. I have proof if needed, reported a player as well.

Limitless wrote: »

No one else finds this whole thing hilarious?

Nah, it's not hilarious. It's pathetic. We're over 3 months into the game and it's still in a beta state.

ninjajucerb14_ESO

They are also doing this on Wabbajack with DC doing it to EP. Killed like 40 players in the north morrowind gate.

Seems they can run over to the wayshrine and "discover" it. Then just continuoiusly warp in.

Gaettusk

There hasn't been definitive word from a ZoS employee whether this is an exploit or not. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Gaettusk wrote: »

There hasn't been definitive word from a ZoS employee whether this is an exploit or not. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

There are a couple things going on here. This part of it is exploiting:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

The terrain-based issue is not. We're working to get both fixed as quickly as possible, as Brian stated a few posts above.

Gaettusk

The terrain-based issue is not an exploit?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

There hasn't been definitive word from a ZoS employee whether this is an exploit or not. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

There are a couple things going on here. This part of it is exploiting:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

The terrain-based issue is not. We're working to get both fixed as quickly as possible, as Brian stated a few posts above.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I'm trying to remain civil here, but it's hard.

I'm not a PVPer so per se this is entirely irrelevant to me, but this sums up the problem I have with ZOS and most other MMO devs: apparently totally arbitrary declarations of 'exploit' or not.

BOTH are clearly nothing like WAI yet you somehow come up with a decision that one IS and the other ISN'T an 'exploit'

Since exploits by definition .. or at least, by any definition I am aware of .. are making use of broken mechanics how can SOME be 'exploits' while others not.

It's no wonder there's so much 'abuse early, abuse often' going in in ESO, so much isn't WAI and only fools pass up the chance to benefit from some weakness is there's a serious doubt it's 'not allowed'.

Neferath

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hi, first of all thank for looking into these things and taking the heat in here upon you.

Some time ago, several people abused a faulty game mechanic (guildbank) in order to gain an unfair advantage over others while duping items. These people (thanks god ...) have been punished for their actions since it was considered as exploiting.

Now and here, we got several people abusing a faulty created map (in wide terms a "game-mechanic" too especially if you keep in mind the scroll-teleport issue) in order to gain an unfair advantage over others while farming AP for personal and alliance benefits and regarding to your statement this is not an exploit.

Would you be so kind and explain me the difference between both and therefore why the latter isnt considered as "exploiting" ?

Theegoliath

There were a lot of excited ppl last night with the discovery of the wayshrine event in wabba. Ganking and getting the free skyshards. Dieing then porting back in "behind enemy lines". Even reports of forward camps going up to increase the influx of players : o

Tintinabula

Please give me the ability to randomly port into DC starter areas so I can farm AP off the unsuspecting and we will call it an "event".

Duskwolf

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

There hasn't been definitive word from a ZoS employee whether this is an exploit or not. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

There are a couple things going on here. This part of it is exploiting:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

The terrain-based issue is not. We're working to get both fixed as quickly as possible, as Brian stated a few posts above.

Seriously?? Are you kidding me? It's not an exploit to enter our scroll area without taking a single keep and make off with our scroll? What the hell is going on with you Zenimax??

Halrloprillalar

I think what they're saying is that people using simply their spacebar and the broken gate terrain are not 'exploiting' because that's a ZOS fail, whereas those actively yanking others over the gate are - but this we already knew.

In other words, no banhammers because ZOS failed to move the tiles in the wrong places : /

Personally I think those who actually used the forward camps in the area the strongest candidates for disciplinary action. Those getting in by jumping... wellll it is not technically against TOS, even if it is a *** thing to do.

Out of curiosity, was it both or just one gate affected?

Bloodvax

Think this sums everything up pretty well

Halrloprillalar

Duskwolf wrote: »

Yesterday, DC opened the Ghartok gate on Wabbajack. EP defended the scroll, took back the keeps, and closed the gate. About 45 minutes later, we get a message the scroll is taken. They had a group stealth behind the gate and wait. Today, we get the scroll back, just to have DC climb a cliff into North Morrowind Gate, spend hours killing people as they spawned/ported in, and then took the scroll. They have made a total farce of the whole scroll gate concept, and yet Zenimax has done nothing to stop it.

We seriously need the following:

1. An in game GM response to this type of mass exploitation. There should have been a GM there stopping the spawn camp within minutes of it happening.

2. Permanently ban the offending players. A temporary ban is not good enough for this blatant exploitation. At the very least, reset their AP and PvP rank to 0.

3. Make it so scrolls can not be picked up if the scroll gate is closed. That's the whole point of the gates, right?

The first case of stealthing behind the gate is not exploiting. Anyone can do this.

The case of getting inside where you can't go to kill players you shouldn't be able to reach can be considered an exploit.

Bloodvax

They cant call their own mistake and bug in a game an exploit. No matter how badly you want them to.

Tintinabula

Blood you seriously don't get it. If you find a ZEN mistake and you "utilize" their mistake for your gain THAT is an exploit...no ifs ,ands or buts.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Tintinabula wrote: »

Blood you seriously don't get it. If you find a ZEN mistake and you "utilize" their mistake for your gain THAT is an exploit...no ifs ,ands or buts.

It's a very grey area. We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

Thor

If enemy wayshrines can be discovered, ZoS has at least clear list of accounts that needs to be permabanned.

ThyIronFist

Why can you discover enemy wayshrines anyway? Utter ***.

Terrible designing.

Gaettusk

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Blood you seriously don't get it. If you find a ZEN mistake and you "utilize" their mistake for your gain THAT is an exploit...no ifs ,ands or buts.

It's a very grey area. We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

If the terrain issue is a bug and people used that bug to their advantage, then it's,by definition, exploiting. I really cannot justify a sub to a company that shows utter incompetence at handling an MMO. I don't care which faction did the "terrain issue" exploit; red,blue, yellow, they all need a time out and to be penalized. Otherwise, it's opening the floodgates for yet more exploiting because these exploiters got a free pass.