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leewells

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

How are these hacks do you actually know what a game hack is?

You caught me, I don't use them, so I have to go on hearsay and what is privy to us in youtube unless you can attest to anything different.

But appearing out of thin air somewhere sure looks like a hack to me. Seeing someone zooming through the air and landing precisely in a small pool or on geometry that causes them 0 damage also seems like a hack/bot to me as well. You believe it is something different?

Hearsay isn't factual evidence.

So you say you run these programs and know first-hand?

Derp comment right there come back when you have something a little better please.

Actually it seems your ego lead you into a trap for which you have no answer for.

PocketNova

Who said Bloodthron? Is this happening on BT now too? I thought this thread was about AB.

Rylana

Its happening on Wabba, AB, and BT right now as far as I am aware.

Tintinabula

Its also happening on Wabbajack

TheGrandAlliance

Rylana wrote: »

Its happening on Wabba, AB, and BT right now as far as I am aware.

Too bad I am not on USA server I could show you how to get there and counter-attack:)

SienneYviete

SuperJChat wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

How are these hacks do you actually know what a game hack is?

You caught me, I don't use them, so I have to go on hearsay and what is privy to us in youtube unless you can attest to anything different.

But appearing out of thin air somewhere sure looks like a hack to me. Seeing someone zooming through the air and landing precisely in a small pool or on geometry that causes them 0 damage also seems like a hack/bot to me as well. You believe it is something different?

Hearsay isn't factual evidence.

Dude ok so whats your point? They shouldnt be in the spawn areas and they know it, who cares if its a hack or a "wall-jump" or whatever you wanna call it? Stop arguing semantics, this is a real issue and it needs to be addressed

Whatever they are doing to get into the Safe zones needs to be fixed

Of course it does but throwing around accusations of game hacks and such because you're mad and have nothing to back that up..... what does that achieve, nothing. Makes you look foolish IMO.

leewells

UPDATE: GM Spotted in Wabbajack.

SuperJChat

Bloodvax wrote: »

Best thing is the EP on Bloodthorn were perfectly happy when they were slaughtering the people at their gate for free AP. The minute they get roflstomped its whine whine whine. It'd be funnier if it wasnt so pathetic

There is a difference between killing people at their gate and killing people in their safe zones.

I suggest you come back when you actually have "good points" for how exploiting is acceptable behavior

Rylana

Eldhaaril wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

How are these hacks do you actually know what a game hack is?

You caught me, I don't use them, so I have to go on hearsay and what is privy to us in youtube unless you can attest to anything different.

But appearing out of thin air somewhere sure looks like a hack to me. Seeing someone zooming through the air and landing precisely in a small pool or on geometry that causes them 0 damage also seems like a hack/bot to me as well. You believe it is something different?

Hearsay isn't factual evidence.

Dude ok so whats your point? They shouldnt be in the spawn areas and they know it, who cares if its a hack or a "wall-jump" or whatever you wanna call it? Stop arguing semantics, this is a real issue and it needs to be addressed

Whatever they are doing to get into the Safe zones needs to be fixed

Of course it does but throwing around accusations of game hacks and such because you're mad and have nothing to back that up..... what does that achieve, nothing. Makes you look foolish IMO.

Who is the bigger fool?

The one who breaks the rules, or the one who points out the rules being broken?

Or is it the one that tries to defend the rule breakers with a strawman about the definition of hack?

Bloodvax

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112467/no-marked-safe-zones-in-cyrodiil#latest

Dont see how people can get banned. The GM themselves saod there is no safe zones in cyrodill. so............

TheGrandAlliance

Eldhaaril wrote: »

Of course it does but throwing around accusations of game hacks and such because you're mad and have nothing to back that up..... what does that achieve, nothing. Makes you look foolish IMO.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113910/how-to-hack-cyrodiil

Read and learn.

SienneYviete

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

How are these hacks do you actually know what a game hack is?

You caught me, I don't use them, so I have to go on hearsay and what is privy to us in youtube unless you can attest to anything different.

But appearing out of thin air somewhere sure looks like a hack to me. Seeing someone zooming through the air and landing precisely in a small pool or on geometry that causes them 0 damage also seems like a hack/bot to me as well. You believe it is something different?

Hearsay isn't factual evidence.

So you say you run these programs and know first-hand?

Derp comment right there come back when you have something a little better please.

Actually it seems your ego lead you into a trap for which you have no answer for.

Yeah nah

Rylana

Bloodvax wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112467/no-marked-safe-zones-in-cyrodiil#latest

Dont see how people can get banned. The GM themselves saod there is no safe zones in cyrodill. so............

And the community manager @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has clearly in this very thread overruled that.

Chalk your little link up to an inept CSR that didnt understand what the report was about.

Bloodvax

SuperJChat wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

Best thing is the EP on Bloodthorn were perfectly happy when they were slaughtering the people at their gate for free AP. The minute they get roflstomped its whine whine whine. It'd be funnier if it wasnt so pathetic

There is a difference between killing people at their gate and killing people in their safe zones.

I suggest you come back when you actually have "good points" for how exploiting is acceptable behavior

Wow You cant even read. The forward camp wasnt at the gate it was in the starter zone.

Bloodvax

Rylana wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112467/no-marked-safe-zones-in-cyrodiil#latest

Dont see how people can get banned. The GM themselves saod there is no safe zones in cyrodill. so............

And the community manager @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has clearly in this very thread overruled that.

Chalk your little link up to an inept CSR that didnt understand what the report was about.

Chicken or the egg

TheGrandAlliance

Bloodvax wrote: »

Wow You cant even read. The forward camp wasnt at the gate it was in the starter zone.

Yes... or they could be putting camps up in safe areas near edge of map as well.

SienneYviete

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

Of course it does but throwing around accusations of game hacks and such because you're mad and have nothing to back that up..... what does that achieve, nothing. Makes you look foolish IMO.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113910/how-to-hack-cyrodiil

Read and learn.

I did and exploit yeah hack sorry that's not hacking.

Bloodvax

Would have been funnier if you could spawn mercs. Giant merc army rampaging through morrowind gate.

TheGrandAlliance

Eldhaaril wrote: »

I did and exploit yeah hack sorry that's not hacking.

Yes it is... You are techincally exploting the game by overloading the client so it cannot draw everything but not crashing the game thus allowing you to "pass" through objects.

Rylana

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting.

Im just quoting this onto this page for clarity.

Your little GM justification strategy aint gonna work, mate.

Bloodvax

Rylana wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting

Im just quoting this onto this page for clarity.

Your little GM justification strategy aint gonna work, mate.

Good then. cuz thats not what was happening in this instance. woot. The bolded part is what you need to be looking at btw.

Rylana

Bloodvax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting

Im just quoting this onto this page for clarity.

Your little GM justification strategy aint gonna work, mate.

Good then. cuz thats not what was happening in this instance. woot

The standard is clearly set that youre not to be in someones starter area. Are you just playing stupid or ignorant and burying your head in the sand?

Youre probably going to be going on vacation if you were involved, doesnt that register?

siledre

it should be noted as well that players getting into these areas can get the wayshrine and port in so probably some coding needs to be done so that can't happen anymore

leewells

Eldhaaril wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Eldhaaril wrote: »

Of course it does but throwing around accusations of game hacks and such because you're mad and have nothing to back that up..... what does that achieve, nothing. Makes you look foolish IMO.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113910/how-to-hack-cyrodiil

Read and learn.

I did and exploit yeah hack sorry that's not hacking.

Obviously you don't know the definition of hacks or exploiting. So lets ask Goolge, shall we?

Exploiting:

ex·ploit verb ikˈsploit/ 2. a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware.
"if someone you don't know tweets you a link, it's either spam, an exploit, or probably both"

Now, how about Hack:

hack1 hak/Submit verb
2. use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system.
"they hacked into a bank's computer"

I could try and explain to you how gaining unauthorized access is typically the same thing as taking advantage of a flaw, but I doubt you would understand.

So, please try again.

Bloodvax

Rylana wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Okay, so the only way to do this if the gate is closed is to have an enemy character pull you in. We're going to fix this as soon as possible, but just because it's currently allowing exploiting doesn't mean it's okay to do. If you see players from your alliance actively pulling people over the gate to bring them into your spawner area where they otherwise would not be able to go, please report them for exploiting

Im just quoting this onto this page for clarity.

Your little GM justification strategy aint gonna work, mate.

Good then. cuz thats not what was happening in this instance. woot

The standard is clearly set that youre not to be in someones starter area. Are you just playing stupid or ignorant and burying your head in the sand?

Youre probably going to be going on vacation if you were involved, doesnt that register?

Nope. Because I wasn't being pulled up onto the wall. Didnt kill anyone in the starter zone. And i left when I learned it might be an exploit. So.......how did i break the rules?

Bloodvax

siledre wrote: »

it should be noted as well that players getting into these areas can get the wayshrine and port in so probably some coding needs to be done so that can't happen anymore

Could have all been prevented if it just ported you out or killed you instantly if your not part of the faction that owns the area

Rylana

Bloodvax wrote: »

Nope. Because I wasn't being pulled up onto the wall. Didnt kill anyone in the starter zone. And i left when I learned it might be an exploit. So.......how did i break the rules?

Right, youre just a little innocent angel that doesnt do anything wrong, ever. A paragon of virtue that just happens to say things like LOLZ and Derp.

You cant BS me

leewells

Bloodvax wrote: »

Nope. Because I wasn't being pulled up onto the wall. Didnt kill anyone in the starter zone. And i left when I learned it might be an exploit. So.......how did i break the rules?

I don't see you did if that is the case. If you took the tent out of accident and exited the area of suiciding knowing you were where you were not supposed to be, I do hope you're not guilty by association. But maybe it will be a lesson not to mindlessly click tents in the future, eh?

SuperJChat

Bloodvax wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

Best thing is the EP on Bloodthorn were perfectly happy when they were slaughtering the people at their gate for free AP. The minute they get roflstomped its whine whine whine. It'd be funnier if it wasnt so pathetic

There is a difference between killing people at their gate and killing people in their safe zones.

I suggest you come back when you actually have "good points" for how exploiting is acceptable behavior

Wow You cant even read. The forward camp wasnt at the gate it was in the starter zone.

that's not what you said in the post i quoted, learn to context, your argument would be thrown out by any court.

But as far as them killing the players spawning in their safezone... how is that farming? if they burned the camp (which yes they could have done) then the enemies would have exploited back in and placed another one, and besides the players who were spawning in to a FC in an ENEMY SAFE ZONE should know better. so as far as "farming" the players go, again your argument is very very biased.

If you run into a forward camp anywhere on the map with a group of players you can easily camp there and kill them too, the issue here is that it was inside the EP safe zone, an area that SHOULDN'T be reachable. so lets do some simple thinking:

1. Alliance 1 runs into an Alliance 2 in the wild, they fight and 1 wins. Fair
2. Alliance 2 camps the Alliance 3 gates, waiting for Alliance 3 players to come out and kill them. Fair
3. Alliance 2 places FC inside Alliance 1 safe zones. Unfair
4. Alliance 1 Players camp Alliance 2 FC inside Alliance 1 safezone, waiting for Exploiters to spawn in. Fair

Point is no matter which alliance is doing this its unfair to be in the Safe Zone, therefor the Alliance whose safe zone is compromised Has the Right to kill players within their bases.

So yes, your argument is baseless and senseless. please come back when you have the "good points mixed with a little humor" you claimed to have

TheGrandAlliance

Bloodvax wrote: »

siledre wrote: »

it should be noted as well that players getting into these areas can get the wayshrine and port in so probably some coding needs to be done so that can't happen anymore

Could have all been prevented if it just ported you out or killed you instantly if your not part of the faction that owns the area

That code already exists... you can test it yourself by trying to run into a starter area at moment. The problem is that it only works from "the front" so if you come in "from behind" there is no check to determine whether you are supposed to be there or not.