Not Going to Punish Myself - Difficulty Change was NOT Tested

Cogo

ciannait wrote: »

And did you miss the small detail that people who aren't even in Craglorn are the ones complaining about the difficulty increase on regular VR mobs?

Yes I did, lol! Makes this whole thread even more silly.

Cogo

I am curious, where is the complaint about the vast increse in EXP from Cyro? AND from quests in Cyro?

Common....its to much exp!!! Someone? Anyone?

nickster2112b16_ESO

Vet 10 Templar full purple vet 10 pact heavy set with purple glyphs+ yellow sword/board and i can barley kill 2 Vet 7 mobs it takes all my resource pools to beat them groups of 3 no chance somethings definitely not right.

Cogo

theweakminded wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

I said this a while ago and im saying it again. Yall enjoy paying an average game claimed to be fantastic. This game has received 6/10 overall votes for a reason.

You do realize that people are complaining about a patch from today right?

Yeah, why wait for them to tweak it, or patch it like EVERY big MMO almost normaly does after a big patch?

I am starting to wonder what people wants who cant do everything all the time, with just pressing one button. Arnt you tired of wow by now?

ciannait

Cogo wrote: »

ciannait wrote: »

And did you miss the small detail that people who aren't even in Craglorn are the ones complaining about the difficulty increase on regular VR mobs?

Yes I did, lol! Makes this whole thread even more silly.

Complaints about VR5-ish mobs hitting more like VR12 mobs when they weren't supposed to have been touched at all (except for exp) is not really as silly as you're making it out to be. A lot of people seem to have hit a wall today, and frustrated players don't bode well for an MMO's long-term success.

GunemCleric

Cogo wrote: »

ghost151 wrote: »

The veteran level difficulty change is ridiculous. I love a challenge but the game is unplayable now at veteran levels unless you are in a group. I'm not against grouping but you should not be forced to do it all the time.

Subs will drop like a rock if it's not changed quick.

Um...did you miss the SMALL detail that Zenimax said over and over and over again that this zone is DANGEROUS and should not venture out alone. Even as a lower veteran.

Subs like you will drop yeah. Just like it droped when vampires couldnt kill 50 people in one go. Bye bye 5 people. Hello 500 new who starting to get an interest in this game cause they ironing out the bugs and doing balancing, no matter the crybabies.

I like game more and more. I was hoping but didnt think it was much possible, that the new zone actually was very challenging so you needed to watch every corner in there and have a seasoned group with you. THATS end game right there! And something to build on!

Btw, NO WHERE did Zenimax say that the new zone was soloble. They said a veteran 1 could enter, but shouldnt cause they would probebly run into to much problems.

No one FORCES you to group. Do what the hell you want yourself. Are you going to whine that the game "forces" you to group in the 12 man raid, or pvp area too?

I hate to sound negative, but starting to be quite annoyed with these "OMG, I CANT SOLO EVERYTHING WTF?!??!"

ESO gives you the choice to be whatever you want to be. They do NOT give you the "right" to solo everything, or become the best tradeskillers without any effort etc.

really? no where? not, idk, the "solo" dungeons? is the "group dungeons" simply an over intensified description? You are saying that we are discouraged from *playing* the game? I somehow "must" have a companion at all times?

You are probably a vr10 and do not know what you are talking about. If you have a group of friends that can always play with you then good for you. I suspect you do not have a clue and should stfu as people who have constant friends to play with generally do not say asinine things like, well, most of your post

My friends and I have jobs an cannot always play at same time, we get ahead of each but we always help each other. I do not group with randoms, because tend to end up with people like you.

Chirru

Just ignore Cogo,
Almost every post this person wrote is written in a derogatory manner and in opposition to any topic being discussed.
This person clearly is a TROLL.

TheGrandAlliance

Cogo wrote: »

I am curious, where is the complaint about the vast increse in EXP from Cyro? AND from quests in Cyro?

Common....its to much exp!!! Someone? Anyone?

Uhmm... we didn't get EXP before? Thats why. REason PvPers never leveled.



@Cogo is a Troll... so OBvious Troll Indeed...

Cogo

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

theweakminded wrote: »

Possible, completely unlikely. You still have to remember, the other subsidiaries of Zenimax Media could cover the losses of ESO in the blink of an eye.

Just with Skyrim for example, $640million in sales in the first months after release. And while I couldn't find the production cost, it is probably far less than ESO. So in just 1 game, tons of surplus that could bail out the parent Zenimax Media.

IN theory... but that is assuming they didn't "blow all their money" somehow. Or commit the capital into the development of new games (TES: VI) and leaving a short-term cash flow problem. IF we could see their balance sheet I/we could answer this in 10 seconds. Else meere speculation nonetheless.


However in terms of ESO... this game is clearly sinking: HOw long they try to pump capital into a sinking ship is the question. ANd this is a very bad outcome for people who wanted to see a continiously updated MMORPG that could rival WoW.

Ah, I see why you say what you say now. You think ESO is competing with WoW?
Erhm no. Their target playerbase are those who are not going towards the easy, everyone can raid, 10 mins, get loot, done.

And about "sinking". According to games sites...ESO is slowly gaining players. I think mostly cause they doing a good job with the bots, fixing bugs and showing they have a future in mind.

I can defently understand that the current WoW player who finds WoD even remotly attractive, would not touch ESO.

ESO is a new kind of MMO. They are NOT competing with WoW. Wildstar is trying that thing.....there you can talk about money sink lol.

ESO is great! I love it. Most people I play and talk with loves it.

Vlaxitov

Cogo wrote: »

And about "sinking". According to games sites...ESO is slowly gaining players. I think mostly cause they doing a good job with the bots, fixing bugs and showing they have a future in mind.

Obvious troll is obvious.

TheGrandAlliance

Cogo wrote: »

Ah, I see why you say what you say now. You think ESO is competing with WoW?
Erhm no. Their target playerbase are those who are not going towards the easy, everyone can raid, 10 mins, get loot, done.

And about "sinking". According to games sites...ESO is slowly gaining players. I think mostly cause they doing a good job with the bots, fixing bugs and showing they have a future in mind.

Rival doesn't mean WoW Clone. Rival means a game that will unseat WoW as the dominate model for "how a MMORPG should be run".


Game is sinking. PvP servers are empty. Even bots are going home now. Case Closed.

ExiledKhallisi

Vlaxitov wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game was too easy before. Stop crying. It should be even harder than this to weed out the button mashers with tunnel vision. As a healer I watch these failhards stand in fire or not dodge big attacks or aoe's all day. Skilled players should be at the top. Not everyone like wow.

So my question to this TOOL that belongs back in the shed, IS THIS A GAME OR A JOB??? I bet you are a skilled player as well pushing those 3 heal buttons too. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I'd be interested in knowing what level content he is playing.

Like half the dominion V3 content was doable and then I hit a brick wall where the mobs could basically 2-4 shot me if I didn't do something. I'm going down too fast to even get a grip on what is wrong. Basically, the solo content feels like I'm trying to solo a pre vet level dungeon at appropriate level.

V8 current on main v1 on my alt.

Really guys, just adapt. This happens in every mmo. People get to comfortable in their little worlds and stuck on FOTM builds or op combos and when the balance bat comes they cry.

This is their world. Like it or leave it. Its sad that today's gamers want everything to be so simple and easy.

Inb4 ad him comments because mad.

How exactly do you adapt out of going down in 2-7 seconds? I just can't see it. In most other occasions I'd defend what you're saying but this just doesn't seem right. I've not played this game long enough to concern myself with FOTM specs. I picked my class primarily to heal groups and now I feel too gimped to even level into other another spec to be able handle solo content by myself. I guess I only thought I was decent at these kinds of games until now.

Before today the game was so easy I beat mages and fighters guild finales at lvl 33. I reached vr content at lvl 47 on my HEALER restored staff/light armour/ non spear tree templar...

Its ridiculous that people want to just blow through content to gap epeen in cyrodil and complain when the road to get there becomes more realistic. Change your play style/build up a bit. Stop button mashing. Stop standing in red zones that are shown obviously with plenty of time to react and move out of the way. Use your CC abilities...every class has them. I feel like everyone complaining are just the tunnel vision players.

Realize that if getting to the top is just a requirement of time.. that the people who get there won't feel any level of accomplishment. The game is supposed to be a journey. Enjoy the game the awesome vision they made for elder scrolls..

Its really not that hard. And its more rewarding. We now get more exp and better loot. Excited to see what comes out of craglorn.

GunemCleric

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

blah, blah, ...

and what level are you?

also, You may want to rephase he "just blow through content to gap " when you got to vet areas at 47

i did NOT grind at all and was vet 1 halfway through coldharbour, i enjoyed the game, carefully explored "everything" built my toon and practiced, very little pvp. I also reported no less than 30 bugs and only ever made one public complaint....until this.

ExiledKhallisi

I love how kids comment on the game "failing" or company "going under" when we have absolutely no idea the stats on subs or any number details at all. Here'sa little test cfor you..go to any place in the game.. anywhere any time and try to find a spot. Any phase other than solo. where you can't see another player for more than 5 seconds. You can't.

Vlaxitov

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game was too easy before. Stop crying. It should be even harder than this to weed out the button mashers with tunnel vision. As a healer I watch these failhards stand in fire or not dodge big attacks or aoe's all day. Skilled players should be at the top. Not everyone like wow.

So my question to this TOOL that belongs back in the shed, IS THIS A GAME OR A JOB??? I bet you are a skilled player as well pushing those 3 heal buttons too. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I'd be interested in knowing what level content he is playing.

Like half the dominion V3 content was doable and then I hit a brick wall where the mobs could basically 2-4 shot me if I didn't do something. I'm going down too fast to even get a grip on what is wrong. Basically, the solo content feels like I'm trying to solo a pre vet level dungeon at appropriate level.

V8 current on main v1 on my alt.

Really guys, just adapt. This happens in every mmo. People get to comfortable in their little worlds and stuck on FOTM builds or op combos and when the balance bat comes they cry.

This is their world. Like it or leave it. Its sad that today's gamers want everything to be so simple and easy.

Inb4 ad him comments because mad.

How exactly do you adapt out of going down in 2-7 seconds? I just can't see it. In most other occasions I'd defend what you're saying but this just doesn't seem right. I've not played this game long enough to concern myself with FOTM specs. I picked my class primarily to heal groups and now I feel too gimped to even level into other another spec to be able handle solo content by myself. I guess I only thought I was decent at these kinds of games until now.

Before today the game was so easy I beat mages and fighters guild finales at lvl 33. I reached vr content at lvl 47 on my HEALER restored staff/light armour/ non spear tree templar...

Its ridiculous that people want to just blow through content to gap epeen in cyrodil and complain when the road to get there becomes more realistic. Change your play style/build up a bit. Stop button mashing. Stop standing in red zones that are shown obviously with plenty of time to react and move out of the way. Use your CC abilities...every class has them. I feel like everyone complaining are just the tunnel vision players.

Realize that if getting to the top is just a requirement of time.. that the people who get there won't feel any level of accomplishment. The game is supposed to be a journey. Enjoy the game the awesome vision they made for elder scrolls..

Its really not that hard. And its more rewarding. We now get more exp and better loot. Excited to see what comes out of craglorn.

The thing is you don't have to substantiate your claims. I'm a hair under VR3 doing VR3 content because I too rolled through the quests early until today. I guess I could come watch your VR1 player take on 3 packs of VR1-2 humanoid mobs so that I can actually see how you're getting it done. let me know if you want to do that.

P.S. People have repeatedly said craiglorn mobs are easier than VR 6+ mobs.

Double P.S. Its been about an hour since my request so I guess you don't want to show me how its done...lol.

ciannait

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game was too easy before. Stop crying. It should be even harder than this to weed out the button mashers with tunnel vision. As a healer I watch these failhards stand in fire or not dodge big attacks or aoe's all day. Skilled players should be at the top. Not everyone like wow.

So my question to this TOOL that belongs back in the shed, IS THIS A GAME OR A JOB??? I bet you are a skilled player as well pushing those 3 heal buttons too. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I'd be interested in knowing what level content he is playing.

Like half the dominion V3 content was doable and then I hit a brick wall where the mobs could basically 2-4 shot me if I didn't do something. I'm going down too fast to even get a grip on what is wrong. Basically, the solo content feels like I'm trying to solo a pre vet level dungeon at appropriate level.

V8 current on main v1 on my alt.

Really guys, just adapt. This happens in every mmo. People get to comfortable in their little worlds and stuck on FOTM builds or op combos and when the balance bat comes they cry.

This is their world. Like it or leave it. Its sad that today's gamers want everything to be so simple and easy.

Inb4 ad him comments because mad.

How exactly do you adapt out of going down in 2-7 seconds? I just can't see it. In most other occasions I'd defend what you're saying but this just doesn't seem right. I've not played this game long enough to concern myself with FOTM specs. I picked my class primarily to heal groups and now I feel too gimped to even level into other another spec to be able handle solo content by myself. I guess I only thought I was decent at these kinds of games until now.

Before today the game was so easy I beat mages and fighters guild finales at lvl 33. I reached vr content at lvl 47 on my HEALER restored staff/light armour/ non spear tree templar...

Its ridiculous that people want to just blow through content to gap epeen in cyrodil and complain when the road to get there becomes more realistic. Change your play style/build up a bit. Stop button mashing. Stop standing in red zones that are shown obviously with plenty of time to react and move out of the way. Use your CC abilities...every class has them. I feel like everyone complaining are just the tunnel vision players.

Realize that if getting to the top is just a requirement of time.. that the people who get there won't feel any level of accomplishment. The game is supposed to be a journey. Enjoy the game the awesome vision they made for elder scrolls..

Its really not that hard. And its more rewarding. We now get more exp and better loot. Excited to see what comes out of craglorn.

I'm a little puzzled by the disconnect inherent in your post. You talk about how easy it is and how quickly you finished the fighter and mages guild quest lines on one hand, and on the other tell people "it's supposed to be a journey".

TheGrandAlliance

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

I love how kids comment on the game "failing" or company "going under" when we have absolutely no idea the stats on subs or any number details at all. Here'sa little test cfor you..go to any place in the game.. anywhere any time and try to find a spot. Any phase other than solo. where you can't see another player for more than 5 seconds. You can't.

PvP. There is your answer. Ghost town.

clocksstoppe

daihok75b14_ESO wrote: »

For starters VR mobs do give more XP was getting 42xp for basic kills now getting 106xp basic kills. First everyone complained game was to easy now everyone complaining cause game to hard. Learn to adapt. Is it harder yes its harder. thank goodness is all I have to say. Game was soooo easy 1-50 and even before VR was fairly easy. have I died more since patch? Sure I have. Am I figuring out new ways to survive it? You betcha. Yes I am DK and yes I have felt the small nerfs we got hit by because Bash was definitely in my rotation for dmg. But Im adapting.

oh boy 106 exp, now i only need like 30000 kills to advance a vr

Illydth

Why the hell are we comparing a game that's been out for less than a couple months with a game that's been out now over 10 years?

OMG This game isn't WoW! Freeze the WoW timeclock at this moment in time and come back in 10 years and complain that WoW is a better game.

For you kiddies that weren't around on computers at the time, the same complaints were given about your ever Vaunted WoW when comparing it to EverQuest, which was the WoW of the time when WoW was new. When WoW was new it also blew chunks compared to it's venerated predicesor (and if Sony Online Entertainment hadn't done everything in it's power to intentionally *** off EVERY MEMBER of it's player base, we'd be comparing ESO to EQ3, not WoW). Were none of you around the week WoW Launched, took down the internet (they flooded AT&T's backbone), and had every WoW server unstable for almost 2 weeks?

I seriously don't get it. Is there no one else that realizes that you cannot take 10 years of developed content, fixes, patches, tweaks and tuning and roll it into a brand new MMO in a three year development timeframe?

Can no one else figure out that 10 years x 12 Months x 15 Dollars a Month x 10 Million subscribers is a metric *** of money to throw into content development...and that that sum of cash will NEVER be given to any game studio who's attempting to get something new OFF THE GROUND?

Can no one else figure out that ESO is something like the 4th or 5th generation of MMO out there and that by this point gamers world wide are getting sick enough of the genera that we're about as fickle as a schizophrenic cat?

Seriously, stick to "the game has broken quests and bad bugs in it" if you want sympathy. The moment you bring WoW up it's a bit like Godwin's Law in the MMO world.

ExiledKhallisi

And I don't know if any of you played vanilla wow but there was mass both I g and hacking going on. Game breaking macros that didn't get fixed for a year like the /sit/stand lag macro that turned you I visible to other players etc... give this NEW game some time before jumping guns.

GunemCleric

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

I love how kids comment on the game "failing" or company "going under" when we have absolutely no idea the stats on subs or any number details at all. Here'sa little test cfor you..go to any place in the game.. anywhere any time and try to find a spot. Any phase other than solo. where you can't see another player for more than 5 seconds. You can't.

where is this magical overpopulated area? I can and have wandered for 20 -30 minutes without seeing anyone and that was before today, try vr5 zone right now, but now i know you have not been there

Chirru

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

I love how kids comment on the game "failing" or company "going under" when we have absolutely no idea the stats on subs or any number details at all. Here'sa little test cfor you..go to any place in the game.. anywhere any time and try to find a spot. Any phase other than solo. where you can't see another player for more than 5 seconds. You can't.

Oh dear... you must be located in the US. I play from Oceania on US off-times and often it is like walking in a Graveyard.
Ah... I also have a latency of 250-360ms. Yes, things are challenging. By the time my 2h swords actually blocks I am sailing merrily across the instance. Great fun indeed. Of course...that means nothing to you.

The game was challenging for me... now it is pain and I do not like pain... you know what that means...don't you. Yes, another sucker out the door. The more space for you, until all you see is a Graveyard. You and all your friends playing from the US.

HippieTheGreat

Ok, it definately seems like the difficulty was kicked way up. I cannot take 3 things at all, and 2 is just barely a win IF I win.


Was this intended or not?

Ashigaru

To me its not so much the mobs are tuffer (which they do seem to be) its the amount of mobs you get. I just popped into a public dungeon in craglorn. There were 3 mobs grouped together and there was nothing around them for a long ways. I tag one of the 3 and all the sudden i have 9 mobs on me and there was nothing even close to the ones i had tagged.

KingDutracus

Good, get out. I'm glad you rushed through this game in two weeks that took 7 or 8 years to develop, fought through all the "game breaking" bugs (and if there are so many game breaking bugs, how the heck did you get to vet level in the first place?!?!), and are now leaving cause you can't play this MMO by yourself any longer. Bye

Soliduparrow

Cogo wrote: »

Ah, I see why you say what you say now. You think ESO is competing with WoW?
Erhm no. Their target playerbase are those who are not going towards the easy, everyone can raid, 10 mins, get loot, done.

The trials take 30 minutes. if they are looking for a challenge they are playing the wrong game

Chirru

HippieTheGreat wrote: »

Ok, it definately seems like the difficulty was kicked way up. I cannot take 3 things at all, and 2 is just barely a win IF I win.


Was this intended or not?

VR content?

Yes, in my opinion it was intent. Maybe I am not imaginative enough, but I simply can not imagine that this was a mistake. My opinion is that the difficulty was cranked up so as to slow players down. Else more and more will cry that there is nothing do do any longer once reaching VR12.

Chirru

Ashigaru wrote: »

To me its not so much the mobs are tuffer (which they do seem to be) its the amount of mobs you get. I just popped into a public dungeon in craglorn. There were 3 mobs grouped together and there was nothing around them for a long ways. I tag one of the 3 and all the sudden i have 9 mobs on me and there was nothing even close to the ones i had tagged.

I know the feeling. It is nauseating. Finally I got the courage to take on three only to find the Char being ...well, rear winded.

anothername

Had not a chance to try yet and still away for about 12 hours. Have V-Levels really become that abyssmal?

KingDutracus wrote: »

Good, get out. I'm glad you rushed through this game in two weeks that took 7 or 8 years to develop, fought through all the "game breaking" bugs (and if there are so many game breaking bugs, how the heck did you get to vet level in the first place?!?!), and are now leaving cause you can't play this MMO by yourself any longer. Bye

Dude, the biggest problem with such an attitude is that ppl. are actually doing this and the next thing you complain about is the lack of other players. But you where so cool by just blurting out how much those unpleasant complainers can just go away. Yeah? *sigh*

ExiledKhallisi

Ashigaru wrote: »

To me its not so much the mobs are tuffer (which they do seem to be) its the amount of mobs you get. I just popped into a public dungeon in craglorn. There were 3 mobs grouped together and there was nothing around them for a long ways. I tag one of the 3 and all the sudden i have 9 mobs on me and there was nothing even close to the ones i had tagged.

Craglorn is not a solo area.
"Public dungeon" is especially not intended to be solo... the ones labelled "solo dungeon" are though