Not Going to Punish Myself - Difficulty Change was NOT Tested

KhajiitiLizard

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

ciannait wrote: »

No executive wakes up in the morning and decides on the best course of action to run themselves out of business unless there's something seriously fraudulent going on...

...or reta rded. Case in point: Lehman brothers 2008.

You assume that ZeniMax management is compentent. Given the launch of the game I would say it is anything but.

IE edition lockout on first week? Minimal public conversations over game developer-to-player? Bots? Epic Bugs?


SKyrim?


Yes this (ZeniMax) has been /epicfail after /epicfail on how NOT to release a game. WIth Skyrim at least players could self-mod it. With ESO... not so much.

Skyrim at max difficulty is not this hard.

theweakminded

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

ciannait wrote: »

Zenimax as a parent company isn't betting the farm on this game. ZOS might go away, yes, but Zenimax itself won't.

...because it is a Privately held company we do not know if this is true or not. They may well have "overcommited", cash flow wise especially, to ESO.

Possible, completely unlikely. You still have to remember, the other subsidiaries of Zenimax Media could cover the losses of ESO in the blink of an eye.

Just with Skyrim for example, $640million in sales in the first months after release. And while I couldn't find the production cost, it is probably far less than ESO. So in just 1 game, tons of surplus that could bail out the parent Zenimax Media.

TheGrandAlliance

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

Skyrim at max difficulty is not this hard.

'tis it be true indeed it appears...

roflcopter

My VR 3 Templars bum still hurts from this patch. Trying to figure out how to adjust now. These mobs are LOL now.

TheGrandAlliance

theweakminded wrote: »

Possible, completely unlikely. You still have to remember, the other subsidiaries of Zenimax Media could cover the losses of ESO in the blink of an eye.

Just with Skyrim for example, $640million in sales in the first months after release. And while I couldn't find the production cost, it is probably far less than ESO. So in just 1 game, tons of surplus that could bail out the parent Zenimax Media.

IN theory... but that is assuming they didn't "blow all their money" somehow. Or commit the capital into the development of new games (TES: VI) and leaving a short-term cash flow problem. IF we could see their balance sheet I/we could answer this in 10 seconds. Else meere speculation nonetheless.


However in terms of ESO... this game is clearly sinking: HOw long they try to pump capital into a sinking ship is the question. ANd this is a very bad outcome for people who wanted to see a continiously updated MMORPG that could rival WoW.

whsprwind

And again the silent treatment..

They definitely are aware of the issues discussed in this thread, yet they refuse to respond or acknowledge it in any form.

That said, there has been no "Yes, this was intended." as of now.

My personal guess is it's a probably a bug and the forum team is waiting for a confirmation from the devs.

Xigence

Vlaxitov wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Vlaxitov wrote: »

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game was too easy before. Stop crying. It should be even harder than this to weed out the button mashers with tunnel vision. As a healer I watch these failhards stand in fire or not dodge big attacks or aoe's all day. Skilled players should be at the top. Not everyone like wow.

So my question to this TOOL that belongs back in the shed, IS THIS A GAME OR A JOB??? I bet you are a skilled player as well pushing those 3 heal buttons too. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I'd be interested in knowing what level content he is playing.

Like half the dominion V3 content was doable and then I hit a brick wall where the mobs could basically 2-4 shot me if I didn't do something. I'm going down too fast to even get a grip on what is wrong. Basically, the solo content feels like I'm trying to solo a pre vet level dungeon at appropriate level.

V8 current on main v1 on my alt.

Really guys, just adapt. This happens in every mmo. People get to comfortable in their little worlds and stuck on FOTM builds or op combos and when the balance bat comes they cry.

This is their world. Like it or leave it. Its sad that today's gamers want everything to be so simple and easy.

Inb4 ad him comments because mad.

How exactly do you adapt out of going down in 2-7 seconds? I just can't see it. In most other occasions I'd defend what you're saying but this just doesn't seem right. I've not played this game long enough to concern myself with FOTM specs. I picked my class primarily to heal groups and now I feel too gimped to even level into other another spec to be able handle solo content by myself. I guess I only thought I was decent at these kinds of games until now.

Bro, don't you know? You just get better, that's all. You just have to put aside the fact that you have soft caps and a tightly limited resource pools. Once you do that then all that's really left is lying to strangers on the internet because you want to feel like you're better than everyone else at a videogame. It doesn't matter at all that the game was broken so badly that it feels like you're constantly lagging if you just lie all the time.

Deep down he knows no one cares enough to meet him in game so he can prove some dumb point. And even if he wasn't lying his personality doesn't warrant anyone caring about his meaningless achievement ("Look at me! I'm so much better you than you at a thing!). But this is the kind of thing that happens when your self-worth hinges on your abilities in a video game.

ZairanArainai

I thought that the difficulty was fine before, but ZOS went overboard. I used to be able to solo 2-3 enemies just fine and now I'm dying repeatedly, and I'm constantly out of magicka after just a few spells. Even the solo dungeons make me want to have a group with me.
I also noticed that my zone achievements were wiped, though I heard that this particular issue is known.

Yankee

whsprwind wrote: »

And again the silent treatment..

They definitely are aware of the issues discussed in this thread, yet they refuse to respond or acknowledge it in any form.

That said, there has been no "Yes, this was intended." as of now.

My personal guess is it's a probably a bug and the forum team is waiting for a confirmation from the devs.

Then a "we have seen your concerns and are looking into it" would suffice.

But not even that?

GunemCleric

Anyone who says this is a good thing is full of *** AND clearly not playing in vet zones. I love challenging, i love Dark Souls and having to develop skill and have a lot riding on not dying, DS was frustrating but rewarding, but this, vet 6 is ***. I AM a DK and I could take 3-4 on, it was not easy, but now 2 (two) mobs can just *** me. I have a PVE tank build, with damage shields, reflect missiles, ... i never used the siphon or whatever it is called, i had great DPS, but i absolutely had some durability, now i have jack and ***.

My buddy is a NB, i cannot even complain to him because he was already needing my help with certain bosses due to all of the bugs. He just quit, i do not mean "maybe later" he is done until it gets fixed.

I was in the starting vr6 town I saw a lot of vr7, vr8, vr9, i never used to see them except on rare occasions. groups of them around the blacksmith, woodworking, and clothier benches, reminded me of the lower level zone, where people were constantly upgrading armor....if thy were suddenly in the lowest zone in that alliance...i wonder why.

Last i checked there did not seem to be anyone, i supposed they could all be trying to play craglorn, though i did not see them there. maybe in cyrodiil? i cannot image they would be there, the vr5 npcs are insane, they do more damage than ANY player ever has, had one of the mages do 300,400,400,800,400,400,800. that was 2400 health, dragon blood, dragon blood, vr5 potion, dragon blood, dragon blood, death. how was i supposed to fight that? or better yet when was i supposed to be able to do damage? shield bash does not seem to respond, speaking of which had a regular guard spam their attack for something 600,600,600,600,600,600, then there was an 84, which was from a lvl 13 who simply waited until my heath was low and casually bashed me, of course it would not have made a difference if it were still 200 since all he really had to do was drop 2 guard contracts and wait for it to kill me and my buddy.

I dropped DS 2 for this. My other friends have been leaving, the few who have not been on yet today are almost certainly going to stop, the one who was playing has now quit. I have no one to play with, maybe i will work on my alts. If this is not fixed with a week, then I am done as well and you will refund the remainder of my subscription. I count at least 20 real gamers who are seriously considering leaving.

And you ZOS will not even acknowledge the bug and offer some hope.

TheGrandAlliance

Yankee wrote: »

Then a "we have seen your concerns and are looking into it" would suffice.

But not even that?

....I think the developers are in a "OOO SH IIIIT" moment here: Realizing that this patch might be the one that /sink "ESO".

theweakminded

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

theweakminded wrote: »

Possible, completely unlikely. You still have to remember, the other subsidiaries of Zenimax Media could cover the losses of ESO in the blink of an eye.

Just with Skyrim for example, $640million in sales in the first months after release. And while I couldn't find the production cost, it is probably far less than ESO. So in just 1 game, tons of surplus that could bail out the parent Zenimax Media.

IN theory... but that is assuming they didn't "blow all their money" somehow. Or commit the capital into the development of new games (TES: VI) and leaving a short-term cash flow problem. IF we could see their balance sheet I/we could answer this in 10 seconds. Else meere speculation nonetheless.


However in terms of ESO... this game is clearly sinking: HOw long they try to pump capital into a sinking ship is the question. ANd this is a very bad outcome for people who wanted to see a continiously updated MMORPG that could rival WoW.

Games cannot really rival wow so to speak. Attempting or desiring that is foolish. I won't deny the game is sinking, but I won't call it sunk. Most MMOs now have fairly small player bases. It will be into interesting to see in the near future. As this patch stand now, it could die, but we still do not even know if the vet change was intended or balanced correctly.

As to spent capital, Fallout will be out way before TES6, and it would take alot of investment to drink the Bethsoft (theoretical) nest egg. They probably still make fair profit on decade old games. *admits to buying morrowind PC replacement

KingRebz

I said this a while ago and im saying it again. Yall enjoy paying an average game claimed to be fantastic. This game has received 6/10 overall votes for a reason.

Mablung

Well...what are the mobs like on noob island?

TheGrandAlliance

theweakminded wrote: »

They probably still make fair profit on decade old games. *admits to buying morrowind PC replacement

Yes... this is true. LIke I said... if they ever did file bankrupcy it either would be a reorganization version (not total doom) or someone would buy themselves out. It is highly likely crediters would take a writedown on ESO for a equity share in the company (on future games).

Chirru

The Nerf goes right through the game... just made a noob DK. Difficult of NPC's for level 1-50 are also up. Combat 2h weapon speed has been reduced to the point where it is difficult to even block in time. And...how could it be otherwise...the new bugs. At least one I did not encounter before. I can not any longer cast DK molten weapon when targeting an NPC. I never noticed this before.

This patch is suicidal for the game... my opinion.

theweakminded

KingRebz wrote: »

I said this a while ago and im saying it again. Yall enjoy paying an average game claimed to be fantastic. This game has received 6/10 overall votes for a reason.

You do realize that people are complaining about a patch from today right?

Cogo

ghost151 wrote: »

The veteran level difficulty change is ridiculous. I love a challenge but the game is unplayable now at veteran levels unless you are in a group. I'm not against grouping but you should not be forced to do it all the time.

Subs will drop like a rock if it's not changed quick.

Um...did you miss the SMALL detail that Zenimax said over and over and over again that this zone is DANGEROUS and should not venture out alone. Even as a lower veteran.

Subs like you will drop yeah. Just like it droped when vampires couldnt kill 50 people in one go. Bye bye 5 people. Hello 500 new who starting to get an interest in this game cause they ironing out the bugs and doing balancing, no matter the crybabies.

I like game more and more. I was hoping but didnt think it was much possible, that the new zone actually was very challenging so you needed to watch every corner in there and have a seasoned group with you. THATS end game right there! And something to build on!

Btw, NO WHERE did Zenimax say that the new zone was soloble. They said a veteran 1 could enter, but shouldnt cause they would probebly run into to much problems.

No one FORCES you to group. Do what the hell you want yourself. Are you going to whine that the game "forces" you to group in the 12 man raid, or pvp area too?

I hate to sound negative, but starting to be quite annoyed with these "OMG, I CANT SOLO EVERYTHING WTF?!??!"

ESO gives you the choice to be whatever you want to be. They do NOT give you the "right" to solo everything, or become the best tradeskillers without any effort etc.

Bflaker

I normally just lurk on these forums, but this topic makes me want to speak up. They definitely messed up with this update. I can't even take on 3 enemies solo without making sure all my bars are full and I have a potion on standby. That's ridiculous....

TheGrandAlliance

Chirru wrote: »

This patch is suicidal for the game... my opinion.

No: Its more like proof that this company is/was being ran off a cliff for all to see. Evidence this game should have never been launched.

Sucidal? Yes. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMLOUSNESS? Most indeed.

TheGrandAlliance

"Cogo wrote: »

hate to sound negative, but starting to be quite annoyed with these "OMG, I CANT SOLO EVERYTHING WTF?!??!"

ESO gives you the choice to be whatever you want to be. They do NOT give you the "right" to solo everything, or become the best tradeskillers without any effort etc.

WIth quest phasing and the like... forcing players to group play everything is just not reliable in a world that (most) players have something they call a "life" that "exists outside" of Nirn...

Cogo

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

daihok75b14_ESO wrote: »

For starters VR mobs do give more XP was getting 42xp for basic kills now getting 106xp basic kills. First everyone complained game was to easy now everyone complaining cause game to hard. Learn to adapt. Is it harder yes its harder. thank goodness is all I have to say. Game was soooo easy 1-50 and even before VR was fairly easy. have I died more since patch? Sure I have. Am I figuring out new ways to survive it? You betcha. Yes I am DK and yes I have felt the small nerfs we got hit by because Bash was definitely in my rotation for dmg. But Im adapting.

THis is because now the game is out of reach for most players. VR10s will continue to dominate in PvP even mores now that it is harder for lower lvls to catch up.


And because ZeniMax did this with 0 official warning: No one had time to anticipate such massive changes to leveling time.

LOL! really? You missed the loads of posts here AND by the developers themselves?

And quite frankly, you are playing an MMORPG, which means yes, you can solo but the whole idea with this type of roleplay game is to interact with other people.

And that the game is out of reach for most players? You have no clue about the community have you. There are already guilds ready to take on the RAIDS..and thats 12 man Vet 12. Not sure how they will do.

I have some news for you. Just because something new is released, doesnt mean YOU can go there right away. In this case, yes, you need a group. Good group as I understand it. Got any friends?

ciannait

Cogo wrote: »

ghost151 wrote: »

The veteran level difficulty change is ridiculous. I love a challenge but the game is unplayable now at veteran levels unless you are in a group. I'm not against grouping but you should not be forced to do it all the time.

Subs will drop like a rock if it's not changed quick.

Um...did you miss the SMALL detail that Zenimax said over and over and over again that this zone is DANGEROUS and should not venture out alone. Even as a lower veteran.

Subs like you will drop yeah. Just like it droped when vampires couldnt kill 50 people in one go. Bye bye 5 people. Hello 500 new who starting to get an interest in this game cause they ironing out the bugs and doing balancing, no matter the crybabies.

I like game more and more. I was hoping but didnt think it was much possible, that the new zone actually was very challenging so you needed to watch every corner in there and have a seasoned group with you. THATS end game right there! And something to build on!

Btw, NO WHERE did Zenimax say that the new zone was soloble. They said a veteran 1 could enter, but shouldnt cause they would probebly run into to much problems.

No one FORCES you to group. Do what the hell you want yourself. Are you going to whine that the game "forces" you to group in the 12 man raid, or pvp area too?

I hate to sound negative, but starting to be quite annoyed with these "OMG, I CANT SOLO EVERYTHING WTF?!??!"

ESO gives you the choice to be whatever you want to be. They do NOT give you the "right" to solo everything, or become the best tradeskillers without any effort etc.

And did you miss the small detail that people who aren't even in Craglorn are the ones complaining about the difficulty increase on regular VR mobs?

Sarenia

Where is the victory button they promised? All this manual playing is killing me.

TheGrandAlliance

Cogo wrote: »

LOL! really? You missed the loads of posts here AND by the developers themselves?

THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE POST STATING VR1-10 MONSTERS WERE GONNA BE BUFFED (outside PvP)!!!!!!!!!

Worstluck

Cogo wrote: »

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ghost151 wrote: »

People are referring to veteran rank 1-10 NPC difficulty, not Craglorn difficulty. I have a better chance of killing 5 mobs in Craglorn right now than I do 3 VR10 mobs in The Rift. I'd say it's pretty broken.

foot_baller24

Cogo wrote: »

ghost151 wrote: »

The veteran level difficulty change is ridiculous. I love a challenge but the game is unplayable now at veteran levels unless you are in a group. I'm not against grouping but you should not be forced to do it all the time.

Subs will drop like a rock if it's not changed quick.

Um...did you miss the SMALL detail that Zenimax said over and over and over again that this zone is DANGEROUS and should not venture out alone. Even as a lower veteran.

Subs like you will drop yeah. Just like it droped when vampires couldnt kill 50 people in one go. Bye bye 5 people. Hello 500 new who starting to get an interest in this game cause they ironing out the bugs and doing balancing, no matter the crybabies.

I like game more and more. I was hoping but didnt think it was much possible, that the new zone actually was very challenging so you needed to watch every corner in there and have a seasoned group with you. THATS end game right there! And something to build on!

Btw, NO WHERE did Zenimax say that the new zone was soloble. They said a veteran 1 could enter, but shouldnt cause they would probebly run into to much problems.

No one FORCES you to group. Do what the hell you want yourself. Are you going to whine that the game "forces" you to group in the 12 man raid, or pvp area too?

I hate to sound negative, but starting to be quite annoyed with these "OMG, I CANT SOLO EVERYTHING WTF?!??!"

ESO gives you the choice to be whatever you want to be. They do NOT give you the "right" to solo everything, or become the best tradeskillers without any effort etc.

you do realize this isn't bout the new zone right? l2 read before u post

Cogo

Bflaker wrote: »

I normally just lurk on these forums, but this topic makes me want to speak up. They definitely messed up with this update. I can't even take on 3 enemies solo without making sure all my bars are full and I have a potion on standby. That's ridiculous....

Yeah and you even had to turn away from the tv right? Tsk tsk....cant Zenimax do anything right!

Nice sarcasm and much better put it then I did .

Gilvoth

who made the decisons on this stuff? it's just not really good

TheGrandAlliance

foot_baller24 wrote: »

you do realize this isn't bout the new zone right? l2 read before u post

Indeed... what he/she said.


Reading is a skill.