Was biting jabs nerfed?

dermottib14_ESO

I dont know if its jsut me, but it seems to be a huge delay between castings of it. I used to be able to jsut spam it.

Now it feels like there is a .5-1 secon delay between casts?

can somone else tesT?

ElliottXO

What do the bots say?

I can sense some bot tears coming ahead!

NordJitsu

Yup. People noticed this in the PTS.

And they didn't put it in the patch notes.

Yay!

monkeymystic

Prolly because all the botters rolled templars and spammed biting jabs on everything.

dont see why it needed nerfing though

nickster2112b16_ESO

yeah ninja nerf like templars arent weak as hell already GG ZOS

Natjur

biting jabs means you could do vet mobs without having to be a desto\restro staff user.
Now..... what other option is there?

eduardo_goncalveseb17_ESO

stealth nerf on a class that suffered already several issues..

RoCoL

I was already leveling a level below my vet level so i had a reasonable chance of surviving. One monster encounter- great chance to live, 2 monster-good chance, 3 or more, or one troll or Antorauch, flip a coin. Now, not so much. robe wearing, healing spec Templar I am now getting crushed or barely living through 2 lowbie monster encounter!
- mini anchors used to be a challenge, now ill certainly have to avoid them all together as i just died no less than 8 times trying to destroy one.
- Its and awesome game- fix your bot issue dont nerf a struggling class

driosketch

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

Nitratas

Im playing on EU server but if it's true then WTF? You ruin the only useful templar skill?
If it was done only to punish bots - even bigger WTF. Seems like the only way for zenimax to fight with bots is to punish honest players.

Need to wait for official response, this doesnt look nice...

Azphira

It seems like all skills delay for 1-1.5 seconds after biting jabs is used. It's like playing ESO on On-Live using satellite on a stormy day.

starkerealm

driosketch wrote: »

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

That did get mentioned in the notes, didn't it?

Soulshine

No struggling that I can see. If I need to get rid of mobs fast I just use Blazing spear + elemental ring ftw. Problem solved.

RoCoL

driosketch wrote: »

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

im not sure what your comment even means, in english. It is delayed, the animation, the spell, whatever, it is delayed. Dont say it takes 1.5 sec to cast if it takes 1.5 to cast with a .5 or 1 cooldown before doing anything else because its not just spamming the spell, i cant cast it and then follow up with melee strike without the delay as well and all that equals DEAD to a robe wearing wannabe healer type trying to level up in Vet land.

starkerealm

RoCoL wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

im not sure what your comment even means, in english. It is delayed, the animation, the spell, whatever, it is delayed. Dont say it takes 1.5 sec to cast if it takes 1.5 to cast with a .5 or 1 cooldown before doing anything else because its not just spamming the spell, i cant cast it and then follow up with melee strike without the delay as well and all that equals DEAD to a robe wearing wannabe healer type trying to level up in Vet land.

At launch every power could be spammed. There was no cooldown on any of them. (At least, none that I can think of.) So you could fire off biting jabs, and then fire it off again immediately, while it was still animating. Now, apparently, you have to sit through the entire animation before you can use it again or attack with a weapon.

RoCoL

starkerealm wrote: »

RoCoL wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

im not sure what your comment even means, in english. It is delayed, the animation, the spell, whatever, it is delayed. Dont say it takes 1.5 sec to cast if it takes 1.5 to cast with a .5 or 1 cooldown before doing anything else because its not just spamming the spell, i cant cast it and then follow up with melee strike without the delay as well and all that equals DEAD to a robe wearing wannabe healer type trying to level up in Vet land.

At launch every power could be spammed. There was no cooldown on any of them. (At least, none that I can think of.) So you could fire off biting jabs, and then fire it off again immediately, while it was still animating. Now, apparently, you have to sit through the entire animation before you can use it again or attack with a weapon.

There is more than waiting for the animation to end, on my end at least. I have a split second where my avatar can cast nothing magic or stamina based, enough time to die or be seriously wounded before I can do anything besides move. Keep moving is not the solution, wearing robes, its all I do anyway. Now I just get ground to dust. i seriously have died 9 or 10 times in less than an hour just general solo questing.

RoCoL

Well, Id be happy if Zenimax would just comp the xp and points to another toon because unless I have friends on I wont be running my templar. I can imagine the grind trying to level up when an avatar can only be played 'with someone else'

starkerealm

RoCoL wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

RoCoL wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Animation sync like with the interrupt bash. Basically you can't spam it faster than it takes to show anymore.

im not sure what your comment even means, in english. It is delayed, the animation, the spell, whatever, it is delayed. Dont say it takes 1.5 sec to cast if it takes 1.5 to cast with a .5 or 1 cooldown before doing anything else because its not just spamming the spell, i cant cast it and then follow up with melee strike without the delay as well and all that equals DEAD to a robe wearing wannabe healer type trying to level up in Vet land.

At launch every power could be spammed. There was no cooldown on any of them. (At least, none that I can think of.) So you could fire off biting jabs, and then fire it off again immediately, while it was still animating. Now, apparently, you have to sit through the entire animation before you can use it again or attack with a weapon.

There is more than waiting for the animation to end, on my end at least. I have a split second where my avatar can cast nothing magic or stamina based, enough time to die or be seriously wounded before I can do anything besides move. Keep moving is not the solution, wearing robes, its all I do anyway. Now I just get ground to dust. i seriously have died 9 or 10 times in less than an hour just general solo questing.

Yeah, you might want to bug that.

I have the suspicion that the lockout is designed, specifically, to mess with the bots. But, I don't know. I'm too tired to log in right now, but I'll get on my Templar once I've gotten some sleep and have some free time, and let you know what I'm seeing. Sorry, that's the best I can offer at the moment.

cody_ESO

RoCoL wrote: »

There is more than waiting for the animation to end, on my end at least.

Yeah it's clearly not just an issue of waiting for the animation to end before a new one can begin. The animation is over well before another action can take place.

jambam817_ESO

.5 seconds.... should not make or break you. I see it as a reasonable fix to skill use that wasn't intended. Might there be a bug at this time? Sure! if not, well, i wouldn't be suprised if this is made global to all characters

Dahkoht

Amazing , somehow , there will still be templars soloing and grouping after today , yet the tear flowing crowd will declare it "impossible".

Patch day brings out the cry babies to the nth degree it always seems.

starkerealm

cody_ESO wrote: »

RoCoL wrote: »

There is more than waiting for the animation to end, on my end at least.

Yeah it's clearly not just an issue of waiting for the animation to end before a new one can begin. The animation is over well before another action can take place.

Okay, mybad. Sorry.

cody_ESO

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

.5 seconds.... should not make or break you. I see it as a reasonable fix to skill use that wasn't intended. Might there be a bug at this time? Sure! if not, well, i wouldn't be suprised if this is made global to all characters

Well, it would be a completely different scenario if it were a global change. But it's not. What unintended skill use do you think this is a reasonable fix for?

Jabs already suffers from the significant problem of being a channeled ability, meaning you can't hold down block while you spam it like you can instant-cast AEs.

If the problem is the single target knockback spam on the last hit of the ability, then the way to fix that is to put a brief knockback immunity buff on the target. I can't really imagine that's the problem though. There are plenty of other abilities that allow you to chain CC a single target to death.

RoCoL

Dahkoht wrote: »

Amazing , somehow , there will still be templars soloing and grouping after today , yet the tear flowing crowd will declare it "impossible".

Patch day brings out the cry babies to the nth degree it always seems.

Dude, your being a troll. Its a legit problem. If I were to equip heavy armor, sword and board Im sure i could carry on too. then, when I run up on a dark anchor and need to swap to heal..wait a minute, have to change clothes, respec..etc etc. Whatever they did with the mechanic, its horrible. No tears needed to express a fact. Its not , was not to my knowledge, an issue in pve or pvp, only that the bots were using it. Now the players suffer. So if you have nothing useful to add, go troll somewhere else.

Nox_Aeterna

Hum true , i did notice a difference , but i had no time to test it , i will go back and try it later.

tplink3r1

nice, templars nerfed AGAIN, bitting jabs was the only really good ability templars had, and they nerfed it.

starkerealm

Dahkoht wrote: »

Amazing , somehow , there will still be templars soloing and grouping after today , yet the tear flowing crowd will declare it "impossible".

Patch day brings out the cry babies to the nth degree it always seems.

What I really love about this forum, is the basic human empathy that brings us all together. Oh, wait, that might have been the fatigue talking.

Maverick827

NordJitsu wrote: »

Yup. People noticed this in the PTS.

And they didn't put it in the patch notes.

Yay!

Yeah, it really sucks when some of your skills get nerfed for no reason.

Nox_Aeterna

tplink3r1 wrote: »

nice, templars nerfed AGAIN, bitting jabs was the only really good ability templars had, and they nerfed it.

This is not true , templars got good skills , i did not even consider bitting jabs to be one of the best , while i did use it a lot.

Honestly , i have no idea which skills i got to dps in its place right now. Guess we need to go for the usual light armor + destro staff?

Anyone got another option?

Smokedpyrotech

.5 of a sec is a long time to not be able to do anything in battle. Right now all i can do is block after using biting jabs. I don't mind the .5 delay on being able to cast the move again, but at least let me do something else after. As it is right now i can't even swing my sword until the timer runs down.

starkerealm

Maverick827 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Yup. People noticed this in the PTS.

And they didn't put it in the patch notes.

Yay!

Yeah, it really sucks when some of your skills get nerfed for no reason.

I'll say it again, the reason was probably to stop the bots from biting everything in sight. I'm speculating, but, you know, they were.