battleofficerb16_ESO wrote: »There is a zone for that.. you know Cyrodill :Osmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »They are bringing open world PVP in with the Justice System. I probably won't participate but so long as it doesn't ruin my fun I guess I'll keep playing.
that's opt in. He means world pvp where anyone can kill anyone else at any time.
ITT: Cowards. No wonder MMOs can't stay profitable for long.
It would get them banned for griefing, because griefing is against the TOS.The thing with the Justice system is fine. But flagging everyone for PvP no matter where you go would invite a festival of griefers to party and camp out ruining the entire game.
It would ruin exploration. It would ruin immersion. It would ruin the entire story telling. It would completely destroy the feeling of TES.
Ninnghizhidda wrote: »In modern "MMO gaming" there seems to be some trend, fortunately only expressed by a small, yet very vocal, minority, towards inflicting the maximum amount of grief, discomfort and harassment to other "fellow" players, and advocating to make this the norm.
Fortunately it isn't happening and it is never going to happen, certainly not in a first-class AAA title that caters for hundreds of thousands if not millions of players. Those who need a self-ego boost through their "awesome" pixels can do so in specified areas or servers provided for this purpose, and be thankful for it too.
The rest of the players, who happen to be the majority, can then mind their business and spend their time for their fun and entertainment without having to deal with some "unstable" person hell-bent to spend their own miserable life trying to infect others with that misery. Especially, in a game like ESO where we actually pay for our entertainment.
So, in short, stay in your secluded area / server, which is specifically provided for you, and is actually carefully made and regularly updated, do your thing, have your fun, and let all the others have theirs too.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Ninnghizhidda wrote: »In modern "MMO gaming" there seems to be some trend, fortunately only expressed by a small, yet very vocal, minority, towards inflicting the maximum amount of grief, discomfort and harassment to other "fellow" players, and advocating to make this the norm.
Fortunately it isn't happening and it is never going to happen, certainly not in a first-class AAA title that caters for hundreds of thousands if not millions of players. Those who need a self-ego boost through their "awesome" pixels can do so in specified areas or servers provided for this purpose, and be thankful for it too.
The rest of the players, who happen to be the majority, can then mind their business and spend their time for their fun and entertainment without having to deal with some "unstable" person hell-bent to spend their own miserable life trying to infect others with that misery. Especially, in a game like ESO where we actually pay for our entertainment.
So, in short, stay in your secluded area / server, which is specifically provided for you, and is actually carefully made and regularly updated, do your thing, have your fun, and let all the others have theirs too.
Considering how packed cyrodiil gets, I'm not convinced carebears are entirely in the majority, or if they are it is by a narrow margin.
These griefers you speak of, yes they are in the minority. But not every pvp is a griefer, so it seems you missed some people in your post.
Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle. People have spoken here, carebears, that didn't care if they had a positive effect on the game or not, there are people like that in pvp AND pve.
Also, when they "Regularly" update cyrodiil, let me know. It seems like 3/4s of their fixes are always to pve. Heck, they even made it easier because apparently you guys can't even handle a challenge in your chosen part of the game.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Bleakraven wrote: »Yes, but only if it depends on which faction territory I am in. If I am DC and go to EP lands (assuming a character can go anywhere from the start, including enemy lands) then I should be flagged for world PvP.
If I am just sitting in DC lands, and an AD player comes up to me, they shouldnt be able to just attack me. I would have to attack them first to be flagged for PvP - that way nobody would just go out and randomly start ganking people.
Players that want to engage in world pvp at all time could just toggle their pvp flag on, others can leave it off and PvE in peace.
isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »Oh, and btw, the word is "oriented".
AlienDiplomat wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle.
Actually, there is:
Online trolls really ARE horrible people: Researchers find they are narcissistic, machiavellian, psychopathic and sadistic
Science has confirmed that the "troll" personality type is diseased, and prone to violent, sadistic, sociopathic behavior in real life. I don't think anyone would honestly disagree at this point they are horrible people.
But that isn't even what this is really about, and no one is suggesting that everyone who enjoys legit PVP are trolls. This is about CHOICE.
Like I said, if they make an open world PVP PHASE I would be all for it. Flag yourself for PVP and the only people you see in the world, and the only people that see YOU in the world, are other people that CHOSE to flag for PVP.
The problem with making everything open PVP without such a choice and phasing system is that most people by far, as evidenced by this poll, do NOT want to have to deal with people killing them while they try and play THEIR style.
You might like to say that most PVP players are noble and professional, and would never go around griefing people (camping their corpse, spam-killing quest givers, etc.), however history and experience in countless other games should inform you that is what inevitably DOES happen when this minority within the PVP crowd gets bored.
Like I said before, I am not paying money to waste my time being fodder for that disturbed personality demographic who need to be able to inflict something on others specifically because they know they don't want it.
Not to mention the lack of challenge, as most PVE players don't want to waste their time theory crafting the latest FOTM meta game and slotting all the appropriate gear (impenetrable, etc.) just to be competitive in an asppect of the game they do not enjoy, gimping themselves for the PVE content they do in the process.
A real PVP professional would not even want this, unless it was phased and by choice as I suggest, as their sense of honor and fair play would not advocate attacking defenseless civilians.
So really, if not purely for the ability to grief other players as I have indicated above and for the reasons I have illustrated, it sounds like those advocating forced world PVP just want easy targets to shoot fish in a barrel for those leet player kill points.
No thanks.
Akiainavas wrote: »The answer is NO. I play ESO for the lore, and the story, and the quests. I don't enjoy being ganked, killed and otherwise nagged by bored PvP players.
Want to PvP ? Go to Cyrodill.
Want to introduce World PvP ? Fine. But create PvE and PvP sections of the megaserver.
And please, don't say that "there would be no griefing"... there would be - there ALWAYS is, in each and every game where world PvP is enabled.
This thread has some examples of the daedric scum that would empowered in a future PvP Tamriel. These are not the type of p[people I wish to associate with in a guild, a game, or in RL. Go hang out in a bank or craft area for a bit. You will see the same people spamming abilities for the sole purpose of being disruptive. Is this what we want? You want the kind of bank behavior we have to deal with now spread across entire cities? This "Injustice System" might be fine and well in an isolated PvP area but to force it on us everywhere is an affront and an assault. Yeah, yeah, we can choose to be a part of that, right? Not so much actually. It is still going on over us, around us, and through us. While this worked in the stand alone games it is a major disaster here.
Matt, Paul, you have chosen to kick the PvE community and the solo player to the curb. Not only has there been nothing for us in updates, no horizontal expansion, you are trying to force us into groups and raids and now having to be part of full time open world PvP, if only as bystanders whose game has been diminished because of it.
Your artistic vision of ESO was spot on. It is truly a joy to be in Tamriel. Despite the launch bugs the game is built on a solid technical foundation. The road ahead looks to remedy what major issues people are having. My customer service/ tech support experiences have been extraordinarily positive. Each and every time I have e-mailed, chatted, or spoken with a rep it was more like interacting with a good guildie than someone working in a phone bank.
However you are now failing a very large segment of your subscriber base miserably. Look at the percentages in this poll and the replies. More importantly you are failing in your fiduciary responsibility to the stakeholders in Zenimax. Do you really think that people will stay here after the game becomes something that they just do not like? After every beta weekend we received a survey. One question in particularly was bolded, "Did you have FUN?" The answer then was a resounding YES! Sadly as my toons hit 50 and have to be put on a shelf the answer is NO and the future looks bleakly worse. This struck me last night. I no longer left the game with a feeling of accomplishment and empowerment. My feeling was that I wished I had done something else.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle. People have spoken here, carebears, that didn't care if they had a positive effect on the game or not, there are people like that in pvp AND pve.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle. People have spoken here, carebears, that didn't care if they had a positive effect on the game or not, there are people like that in pvp AND pve.
Some throw the name "griefer" around the same way others throw the name "carebear" around...
Some throw the name "griefer" around the same way others throw the name "carebear" around...
Absolutely false. Griefers are people who specifically get enjoyment out of ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. Trying to say that there are no problems with that mentality is laughable, as it's a clear sign of anti-social personality disorder. There's a reason griefing is against the TOS: because the game is better without these people in it (and that goes for PVP as well as PVE).smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle.
Ah, I see your problem: you fail at reading comprehension and basic logic. For the record "I don't want to be forced to deal with griefers all the time" = / = "the game exists solely for me".smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Carebear: people that act like the game exists solely for them and their repetitious button mashing.
Sentiments expressed by everyone being vocal opposition to pvp atm.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
Absolutely false. Griefers are people who specifically get enjoyment out of ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. Trying to say that there are no problems with that mentality is laughable, as it's a clear sign of anti-social personality disorder. There's a reason griefing is against the TOS: because the game is better without these people in it (and that goes for PVP as well as PVE).smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Also, there's no mental problems with someone just because they are a "griefer" (you guys throw the name around like it is going out of style) it's just a different playstyle.Ah, I see your problem: you fail at reading comprehension and basic logic. For the record "I don't want to be forced to deal with griefers all the time" = / = "the game exists solely for me".smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Carebear: people that act like the game exists solely for them and their repetitious button mashing.
Sentiments expressed by everyone being vocal opposition to pvp atm.
Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Originally I was excited at the prospect of becoming a guard and dealing with griefers.
After reading this thread, I am 100% positive I will be one of those griefers, doing my absolute best to make the kind of people in here as angry as I possibly can.
Get ready, carebears.
Pfff , mate if this thread has shown one thing , is that there are a LOT of carebears , the more you grief us , the more we will complain to zen and the more they will restrict the justice system so that you cant grief us.
By all means , go ahead , test this.
I will be. Go ahead and send me your in game name and I'll see you on patch day.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »where is the yes, regardless of if my gear could be looted on death?