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Would you play ESO if it was World PvP orientated
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nosmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.Edited by JKorr on July 29, 2014 9:54PM -
Nosmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.
I don't understand why those terms are used and I don't like PvP. That being said if you don't flag you don't get killed based on the confirmed info on the justice system. I may not like it and it may be annoying..but no other is going to kill me unless I steal something or kill an NPC.
And I did PvP for several years...I am a 42 year old Mom with no felony changes or convictions. I am not a psychopath.
Calling people names based on no more info that some post on a game forum probably isn't the best way to judge character. -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but only if my gear/pocessions could not be looted on deathsmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.
As PVP is always in some battle ground, Zone, arena with even the open world being in PVP realms. I have to ask:
Why the hell are you there?
It's like playing a FPS and saying, "what the hell! That guy just shot me, what a murdering, psychopath. Why would he do such a thing?"
Where have you had these problems and what realm were you on? -
Lalai✭✭✭✭NoTannakaobi wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.
As PVP is always in some battle ground, Zone, arena with even the open world being in PVP realms. I have to ask:
Why the hell are you there?
It's like playing a FPS and saying, "what the hell! That guy just shot me, what a murdering, psychopath. Why would he do such a thing?"
Where have you had these problems and what realm were you on?
I could be wrong, but I think the person you quoted was referring to the folks that want PvP on at all times, everywhere, for everyone so they can kill anyone they come across, sometimes over and over again until the person logs out.. not the current PvP system we have (where it's limited to certain areas and scenarios).
That's at least what I thought the original question was about, since it was a hypothetical and all. Figured it wasn't asking about the current system, but asking if you'd like it if the system changed to everyone being flagged all the time for PvP.
Don't agree that people are psychopaths or sociopaths for liking to PvP in a game, or gank people.. but can easily see how open world systems can ruin people's day who did not go into the game looking for that type of play (which, considering it's never been a feature in the game, I don't think many picked up ESO wanting an always on PvP system).Fisher extraordinaire!
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✭NoI don't like world PVP because lags, unexpected brbs, and things like that can make you an easy target. On a specific zone it is valid, but to be alert 100% of the time you play the game would be absolute madness. Besides there's always that problems of gankers picking on lowbies. -
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✭We'd like to remind everyone to keep the conversation focused on the topic at hand and refrain from veering into personal attacks. We know that our players are very diverse in their playstyles, and appreciate this diversity when collecting your feedback. Although someone else might not enjoy ESO in the same way you do, please don't attack or criticize their play choices, as this will lead to the thread becoming completely derailed and off-topic. -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭Yes, but only if my gear/pocessions could not be looted on deathsmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »God you guys are entitled. At no point will you be forced to pvp. Personally, if that were the case, I would not discriminate in that regards either and would kill anyone, as stated, or die trying that I didn't have some sort of alliance with.
This system isn't going to make that happen though. This isn't just about you and your needs. Some of you are complaining that you would have to be in the vicinity of the fighting. For the love of god, get over yourselves. You share this game with other players, many of whom are pvp'rs. Cyrodiil is certainly busy enough to support there being a firm faction of players that like player violence.
Not only are the same people here furious at the suggestion that only people with tyro rank or above (a very low req title) get access to the imperial city, they are furious that pvp might happen around them in other places. Next you'll complain about the idea of there being pvp INSIDE the imperial city because it ruins your pve experience there.
So what you are saying is you want everything the pvp'rs get, but they don't get any pieces of your personal pie.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]
Careful now ;o) -- else next they'll be wanting solo-only-solo-all-the-time-PvE-content-inside-Cyr also...oh, they already are demanding that as well, I forgot.
PvP + PvE + other varied dynamic ever-changing-never-ending content IS what makes MMO's.
Edited by Anastasia on July 29, 2014 10:38PM -
Yes, but only if my gear/pocessions could not be looted on deathI think it would work. It jus would need to be strict. -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭No(Seriously, why *isn't* there a fantasy themed Battlefield? Can you imagine? Riding a Dragon around in aerial combat (think DragonLance), Catapults/balista/landbound Dragons/warcats/horses/etc. for "tanks" and other combat vehicles, priests for medics, mages for engineers, archers for snipers, swordsmen for assault specialists, etc. It would be *sooo* much better than the junk that is PvP crammed into an MMORPG.)
Not exactly fantasy themed but medieval themed similar game exists. Have you tried Chivalry: Medieval Warfare?
Chivalry: Medieval Warfare features a number of game modes. The main game modes are:
Free For All Every player fights only for himself. The player with most score when the time runs out is declared the winner.
Duel Players fight in a tournament and compete in 1v1 matches. When the player is dueling with another player, the other players are having their own duels at the same time. The player who has the most victories in the end wins.
Team Deathmatch Two teams fight against each. Both teams have the same amount of resources at the beginning of a game. The game ends when other team loses all their resources and the remaining players on the battlefield are killed.
Last Team Standing Two teams fight in an arena and each player has only one life. The arena features environmental hazards like wall spikes. The team with players still alive at the end wins a round.
King of the Hill Two teams try to hold an area in the middle of the map. First team to hold the area for a certain amount of time wins.
Capture the Flag Both teams have to capture a flag from enemy base and bring it back to their base, while defending their own flag. First team to reach 3 captures wins.
Team Objective Players play in either the attacking team or defending team. The attacking team must complete various objectives like pillaging a village, pushing a battering ram to the enemy gates and killing the king while the defending team must stop them.
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indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭Nosmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »God you guys are entitled. At no point will you be forced to pvp. Personally, if that were the case, I would not discriminate in that regards either and would kill anyone, as stated, or die trying that I didn't have some sort of alliance with.
This system isn't going to make that happen though. This isn't just about you and your needs. Some of you are complaining that you would have to be in the vicinity of the fighting. For the love of god, get over yourselves. You share this game with other players, many of whom are pvp'rs. Cyrodiil is certainly busy enough to support there being a firm faction of players that like player violence.
Not only are the same people here furious at the suggestion that only people with tyro rank or above (a very low req title) get access to the imperial city, they are furious that pvp might happen around them in other places. Next you'll complain about the idea of there being pvp INSIDE the imperial city because it ruins your pve experience there.
So what you are saying is you want everything the pvp'rs get, but they don't get any pieces of your personal pie.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]
And PVPer's are any different? Maybe you should take your own advice - and get over yourself?
If what you say ends up being the way it happens (which at this point is a little premature to guarantee), then I don't have any problem with it, myself. I frankly don't care if -other- people PVP their hearts out. They can even do it in the center of Vulkhel's Guard or Grahtwood or wherever they want - as long as there is no possible way for me to be dragged into it - I don't give a damn if PVPers wanna sword fight with their epeens to their heart's content. Go for it!
If the Justice system is built such that you can only be flagged by -purposely- flagging yourself - then it's all good! Hip hip hooray! Again - go PVP your hearts out all over the game world.
But - since ESO is built around PVE -first-, then yes, I -do- feel quite entitled to my PVE, thank you. PVP is an 'added factor', an additional playstyle that comes -after- at least some amount of PVE. 10 levels minimum, yes, but I would wager the vast majority of PVPers did most of their leveling up outside Cyrodil - in PVE lands.
I don't see many (if any) PVErs complaining about PVP inside PVP zones (i.e. Cyrodil). That area has been set aside as a PVP area since the beginning, right? What PVErs get bent about is the mere -suggestion- that areas that have been PVE -from the beginning- suddenly get turned into PVP zones. Will it happen as a free-for-all open-world PVP system? According to Zeni, no. Will it happen in some other way that could still possibly screw PVErs? I, and many others, are concerned that it could. Right now, it's simply too early to tell for 100% certain.
If the opposite happened - If Zeni announced a new "PVE system" in Cyrodil that players could use to flag themselves as PVE-only everywhere in the zone... I would bet a lot of PVPers would be bent, too. Is it likely to happen? No, just like massive PVP in the open-world is not likely to happen, either. But would there be a gaggle of PVPers still pissed off at the idea, or at the very least, concerned about it? Yes.
That's all it is. At least, from my viewpoint. I can't speak for all the PVErs, but as I've said for myself several times before: I have no problem with PVP or PVPers - as long as I am not forced to participate. I was forced to participate in EVE, and I walked and haven't looked back, and have been happier for it. ESO, from what I have read, experienced, and been told, is not like that game, and is not a PVP-centric game. If that changes, subs will be cancelled. But I'd much rather voice concerns now along with other PVErs with the hope of avoiding that. -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoTannakaobi wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.
As PVP is always in some battle ground, Zone, arena with even the open world being in PVP realms. I have to ask:
Why the hell are you there?
It's like playing a FPS and saying, "what the hell! That guy just shot me, what a murdering, psychopath. Why would he do such a thing?"
Where have you had these problems and what realm were you on?
You missed a few things in this discussion.
This isn't going to be happening in some battleground, zone, or arena. This is going to be happening in pve areas. People want the justice system to allow them to attack anyone anywhere at any time. "I just want to murder people." They don't seem to understand why people who ARE NOT interested in pvp and DO NOT want to do pvp think someone "having fun" by killing them is ruining their game.
If I go to Cyrodiil and someone kills me, I don't have a problem with it. I went to Cyrodiil and getting killed is always a possibility.
If I'm questing in my faction area, not attempting to do anything to other players and only attacking enemy npcs and a player runs up and kills me, then yes, I have a problem with it.
No one knows how exactly the system will work. I doubt there will be a death warrant out if you have a 5 gold fine. No matter how much some people want to be able to kill anyone anywhere. -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tannakaobi wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Here's my question, why is someone an ass or griefer just because they pvp you? Personally, I don't want to ruin peoples' days, I just want to murder people or die trying. It's certainly not personal.
So you don't consider murdering people who don't want to fight with you "ruining peoples' days"? And because you say it isn't personal, no one should consider it griefing?
And you don't understand why some people are using words like psychopath and sociopath?
Now I can see why discussions about this aren't going anywhere.
As PVP is always in some battle ground, Zone, arena with even the open world being in PVP realms. I have to ask:
Why the hell are you there?
It's like playing a FPS and saying, "what the hell! That guy just shot me, what a murdering, psychopath. Why would he do such a thing?"
Where have you had these problems and what realm were you on?
I could be wrong, but I think the person you quoted was referring to the folks that want PvP on at all times, everywhere, for everyone so they can kill anyone they come across, sometimes over and over again until the person logs out.. not the current PvP system we have (where it's limited to certain areas and scenarios).
That's at least what I thought the original question was about, since it was a hypothetical and all. Figured it wasn't asking about the current system, but asking if you'd like it if the system changed to everyone being flagged all the time for PvP.
Don't agree that people are psychopaths or sociopaths for liking to PvP in a game, or gank people.. but can easily see how open world systems can ruin people's day who did not go into the game looking for that type of play (which, considering it's never been a feature in the game, I don't think many picked up ESO wanting an always on PvP system).
no he was saying being killed why in cyrodiil, and me wanting to kill people in that zone even if they are there to hunt skyshards makes me a psycho or sociopath.
However, I think the responses already made to that asinine statement have covered it.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them. -
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✭NoHappy with things as they are....just add the justice system.
Dont want to spend all my time dead thanks.Anything that can be exploited will be exploited
