Lore-breaking crown shop mounts?

Mataata · March 2015

I don't think it's very lorebreaking. It could very easily be a daedric horse from the deadlands, as it implies in the description.

ElliottXO wrote: »

Lore breaking? Like getting your ass whooped by mudcrabs after defeating Molag Bal?

That is actually 100% canon.

Gidorick · March 2015

Mataata wrote: »

I don't think it's very lorebreaking. It could very easily be a daedric horse from the deadlands, as it implies in the description.

ElliottXO wrote: »

Lore breaking? Like getting your ass whooped by mudcrabs after defeating Molag Bal?

That is actually 100% canon.

But we didn't get it from the dead lands. Would have been better if the purchase was a quest that rewarded the mount.

golfer.dub17_ESO · March 2015

It's not lore-breaking. By that logic having a million chosen ones is lore breaking.

Immersion breaking? Sure. Doesn't make sense to have a ton of flaming horses everywhere.

It still makes sense from a lore standpoint though, so shouldn't be referred to as lore-breaking.

starkerealm · March 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

My male orc werewolf wears a wedding dress while riding that in game, see you lore masters in-game.

Nothing lore breaking about Sheogorath touching you.

Dekken_Blake · March 2015

Lore-breaking mount idea:

Reverse Talos Mounts. Talos rides on your shoulders wearing oven mitts, eating cottage cheese out of a martini glass.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Dekken_Blake wrote: »

Lore-breaking mount idea:

Reverse Talos Mounts. Talos rides on your shoulders wearing oven mitts, eating cottage cheese out of a martini glass.

ha !

We will see a LOT more lore breaking things in the future i am sure of it.

seaef · March 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Honestly, find the regular black horse more visually appealing.

Yep, but I'm not spending 41K gold for it so flamey black horse it is...

PKMN12 · March 2015

I WANT MY FLYING DRAGON MOUNT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!!

seriously though, at least this fits with stuff we have seen in the series already, expect to see MUCH, MUCH worse as the game goes on.

seaef · March 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

I'm not an RPer at all, but it is quite annoying seeing 20 people go by and 15 of them have a flaming horse.

I saw six male orcs this afternoon running around in wedding dresses.

No matter what you do, someone will conjure up something in-game that breaks lore.

Besides, it's just a game. Lighten up and have some fun.

Some of you are starting to sound like The Red Shirt Guy.

ThirtySevenCoins · March 2015

Flying Thomas the Tank Engine.

MisterBlue · March 2015

MrGhosty wrote: »

Don't forget Arvak, he's official "canon" so I fail to see how this sort of mount would count as lore breaking. If anyone managed to play through the main quest still believes in continuity they're simply deluding themselves. Every single player in this game is the savior of nirn, and it's the same problem that has happened in many MMOs. In their attempt to keep the game as Elder Scrolls as possible they gave us a ridiculous set of circumstances which if you take the time to think it all out is incredibly immersion breaking.

I remember when dyes were announced "everyone" was up in arms because they didn't want to see someone running around in bright pink armor because it would ruin the game for them. Yet everything seems fine, the more options they have out there for mounts means the greater variety we see, and if we're all Molag Bal slayers I'm pretty sure we could take the time to train a senche mount, find a rare flaming horse, or whatever fun silly options they provide for us. If this is such a problem, I would recommend going back to the single player games where you have full control over your environment.

Personally I would love to see a mount like this or a ridable dwemer construct, etc. Your immersion in a game is only as unbroken as you make it, the roleplayers don't let the random people around them spoil a good scene and I certainly don't feel my immersion in the game can be broken by something strange that happens across my path. I don't personally want to see stuff like super skimpy outfits or what have you either but the precedent is there in both traditional ES and the mmo ( aela in Skyrim, Almalexia in ESO) so as long as they stick to the core of the idea and people want that stuff I say more power to them.

Money made in the cash shop will keep the game alive, and if you think seeing a flaming horse will break your immersion just wait until you can't even "inhabit" your character because they shut down the game.

I logged in just to say "I love you".

Or more accurately, thank you for this lovely injection of sense, reason, logic, and aptly applied standards.

Were this twitter, and twitter only TESO related, I'd be retweeting the heck out of this.

Chrlynsch · March 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

I WANT MY FLYING DRAGON MOUNT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!!

seriously though, at least this fits with stuff we have seen in the series already, expect to see MUCH, MUCH worse as the game goes on.

Hi I'm Puma!

Gidorick · March 2015

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I'm not an RPer at all, but it is quite annoying seeing 20 people go by and 15 of them have a flaming horse.

I saw six male orcs this afternoon running around in wedding dresses.

No matter what you do, someone will conjure up something in-game that breaks lore.

Besides, it's just a game. Lighten up and have some fun.

Some of you are starting to sound like The Red Shirt Guy.

uhm... They listed to the red-shirt guy in the end. AND they put him in the game.

So yea... you may be trying to insult and belittle those of us that enjoy and respect the lore but you've just pointed out how ZOS is ignoring the community input on these sorts of things and how other companies respect and listen to their players.

Oh... but regards to the Orcs in dresses... I don't consider that lore-breaking at all. In Tamriel there are Orcs... and there are dresses... there are bound to be an Orc or two that fancies a gown.

ZeroInspiration · March 2015

Zeni can make almost anything they want as a mount and it won't be lore breaking, and anyone who says so probably only has a superficial understanding of ESO lore. Otherwise they'd know that the series lore is extremely flexible, things like Dragon Breaks, CHIM, Kalpas etc allow for the lore to mold according to gameplay and features instead of the other way around. The only possibly lore breaking mount would be dragons, but they could use dragonlings since they are usually regarded as a different creature from dragons (no inmortality, intelligence or a direct connection to Akatosh). I for one hope they come up with more interesting mounts.

Also can we talk for a moment of why there aren't cliffracers or adoring fans in the pet store?

Naivefanboi · March 2015

Natjur wrote: »

This game is now BUY to play and they need money from the cash shop, so we will see a new horse or two almost every month. Its what the game has become. I would not be surprised if we see a robot horse and a spider mount within 6 months.

dude that spider looks awesome! id soo ride that! wooot b2p!

newtinmpls · March 2015

Chelos wrote: »

Thinking about how many people I actually see riding in and hour or two gaming, that'll probably be one or two a day. That I can easily ignore.
Besides, ZOS needs stuff in the shop that generates money otherwise the game will be shut down eventually.
With this choce I'd rather see some Ghost Riders in the game than not being able to play any more.

Well I do agree with your last point. The company has to find a way to survive, and that's just not going to go away.

However I see a LOT of people riding. Last night in Shadowfen, while on long enough to do a writ (not long, overall) I saw about 6 senche tiger mounts (enough to start to be disturbing my immersion). This morning, oddly, it was horses - about 4-5 of them. Again, neither horses nor senche seem appropriate for that terrain.

seaef · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Oh... but regards to the Orcs in dresses... I don't consider that lore-breaking at all. In Tamriel there are Orcs... and there are dresses... there are bound to be an Orc or two that fancies a gown.

Um, sure. Cross-dressing orcs. So much less lore-breaking than a horse with flaming feet. *boggle*

Bouvin · March 2015

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I'm not an RPer at all, but it is quite annoying seeing 20 people go by and 15 of them have a flaming horse.

I saw six male orcs this afternoon running around in wedding dresses.

No matter what you do, someone will conjure up something in-game that breaks lore.

Besides, it's just a game. Lighten up and have some fun.

Some of you are starting to sound like The Red Shirt Guy.

Bridesmaids.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2015

How the heck is that lore breaking? OMG it must be the end of the world! How will the game recover from this?! it's not like there has been magical horses in the Elder Scrolls series before!......o wait.....There is.....

I could write a book on how ridiculous your statement is. So because a previous game didn't have a horse with flaming hooves that YOU know of it's lore breaking? Jesus Christ.....I've come realize it isn't ZoS breaking the game it's the players......

FreedomDude · March 2015

This is Arvak from Skyrim:

That flaming horse seems fine to me, I can't see how you think it is "lore breaking".

Raash · March 2015

Olysja wrote: »

it's b2p, as i said already ''yesterday night you had to say farewell to lore and medieval art, commercial items incoming'' , pure white true black flaming things iced weaps, all are welcome in a f2p game, noone will buy a 10euro black and white horse hahaha : ) i bought this nightmare anyway with my old subs rewards !!! and i'll buy the frost soul spectral tiger aswell for 100 euro if it comes out!!!!!!!

Indeed, now with b2p and cash shop the step to flying mounts are much shorter. they will come sooner or later, im sure!
on a more lore friendly note tho, how come camels are not used for mounts in this game? I would choose a camel or a giant boar mount over just about anything really. i would even bury the idea of flying mounts for one of them.

Gidorick · March 2015

Raash wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

it's b2p, as i said already ''yesterday night you had to say farewell to lore and medieval art, commercial items incoming'' , pure white true black flaming things iced weaps, all are welcome in a f2p game, noone will buy a 10euro black and white horse hahaha : ) i bought this nightmare anyway with my old subs rewards !!! and i'll buy the frost soul spectral tiger aswell for 100 euro if it comes out!!!!!!!

Indeed, now with b2p and cash shop the step to flying mounts are much shorter. they will come sooner or later, im sure!
on a more lore friendly note tho, how come camels are not used for mounts in this game? I would choose a camel or a giant boar mount over just about anything really. i would even bury the idea of flying mounts for one of them.

For me, the real problem is that ZOS isn't even TRYING to be creative with their solutions to these problems. Instead of a flaming nightmare horse, why not sell something like... a stone that provides players with a power that turns their CURRENT horse into a flaming horse... have it last for 30 minutes and a 2 hour cooldown. That way players don't have a fire horse but have instead infused magic into their horse. The same can be said for the Drauger Polymorph.

OR have both of those items come with quests that REQUIRE you to have a fire horse (run across a lake of lava...) or be a Drauger (be a 'spy' to take down a powerful necromancer). That way there's a REASON you have these things.

By just selling these mounts and morphs outright, ZOS has shown us the direction ESO is going. While it's not too late for ZOS to shift how they're doing things, they wont. It's much cheaper to just outright sell things than to give them a meaningful implementation.

ArconSeptim · March 2015

Remember this comment, they will implement Deadra Artefacts over Crown Store or Deadric Powers, those "items" will be limited time type of items so nobody can have them forever or something like that. I think it will happen till the end of the year!

Coatmagic · March 2015

Each time I see a flaming mount is another opportunity to use /bucketsplash

Can't bring myself to ride one because it looks too much like my shadowknight AA mount in EQ. People seem to be enjoying them thogh, and I am enjoying having more people around. So, as far as I'm concerned, ZOS can keep the crowd pleasers coming *shrug*

theweakminded · March 2015

k9mouse wrote: »

Bleakraven wrote: »

So, after seeing this:

I'm left wondering... how much more are they going to push "fancy" and "unique" crown shop items until they break the lore? Yes, we know there's Shadowmere, but everyone is going to go around in a flaming horse now.
No class, skill or race restrictions. Horses are probably going to be the rarest mounts.

Probably many of you think this is cool, but I find it very disturbing. And yes, from a roleplay point of view, it is highly immersion-breaking. And yes, it's just my personal opinion.

What do you guys think? Do you agree with the unique mounts in the cash shop? Will you be drawing the line at some point (e.g. rideable mudcrab? rideable pink guar with sparkles and flame trails?) Do you find it disturbing at all to see mounts like these or non-khajiit riding senches? Share your opinion.

I feel the same way, I HATE RIFT for breaking their lore with stupid mounts for their store. I will HATE ESO much much much much much much much much much much much much MORE, if they do the SAME STUPID LORE BREAKING. I WILL LEAVE ESO IF THEY START TO BREAK LORE!

Its funny...cuz you think you decide what is canon.

Gidorick · March 2015

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Remember this comment, they will implement Deadra Artefacts over Crown Store or Deadric Powers, those "items" will be limited time type of items so nobody can have them forever or something like that. I think it will happen till the end of the year!

This sounds terrible... but totally sounds like something that would be done.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2015

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't find the Mare so lore-breaking, even with the fire things.

I was riding this one in Skyrim Dawnguard

That's not a daedric horse, that's Arvak, a once-mortal horse made undead horse in the Soul Cairn. Yes, he's cooler than Shadowmere by leaps and bounds, in large part because he really can't die.

FreedomDude · March 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't find the Mare so lore-breaking, even with the fire things.

I was riding this one in Skyrim Dawnguard

That's not a daedric horse, that's Arvak, a once-mortal horse made undead horse in the Soul Cairn. Yes, he's cooler than Shadowmere by leaps and bounds, in large part because he really can't die.

Also you could summon him which by far made him the most convenient horse in the game.

Uviryth · March 2015

Question:

In a world where magic can pretty much do anything (summon whatever you want from wherever you want / Fly / Levitate / travel in time / travel into alternate realities / bend elements / bend space / ignore the laws of physics / build giant machinery etc...) is there actually anything considered lorebreaking?

azoriangaming · March 2015

ElliottXO wrote: »

Lore breaking? Like getting your ass whooped by mudcrabs after defeating Molag Bal?

@ElliotXO this nearly made me wet myself haha claps