Darkstorne wrote: »

So long as the content is enjoyable. They have to churn these expansions out every 12 months which is an incredibly short time-span by MMO standards, and that's on top of an additional explorable location in-between each expansion (Clockwork City was fairly substantial all things considered).

I agree it's definitely not very "Elder Scrolls" to have impassable terrain like this and Red Mountain, but so much of ESO isn't very "Elder Scrolls" that you kinda have to look at it as above-average fan fiction and put up with the incorrect architecture, smaller than expected zones, impassable areas, and enjoy the parts of the game they do incredibly well (the core gameplay loops). Wait until either Bethesda or a capable mod team tackle Summerset with TES6's engine for an accurate representation.

If you compare ESO expansions ("Chapters") to expansions of other MMORPGs you'll quickly see that the average Chapter offers 1/3 (more like 1/5) of a competitor's expansion (FFXIV, WoW or GW2 for example) but you have to pay the same price for it. On top of that you get new zones that aren't even entirely explorable due to [reasons]. And on top of that a new "expansion" doesn't even come with new dungeons, no, you have to pay for them three months later in a so called "dungeon DLC".

Excuse me but everybody who doesn't think this approach might sooner or later be a problem is a bit delusional. And now they're selling "Chapters" as DLC because... it always has been a DLC but they renamed it to squeeze even more money out of it.

I love ESO but nobody should defend this shady sales practice.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

So long as the content is enjoyable. They have to churn these expansions out every 12 months which is an incredibly short time-span by MMO standards, and that's on top of an additional explorable location in-between each expansion (Clockwork City was fairly substantial all things considered).

I agree it's definitely not very "Elder Scrolls" to have impassable terrain like this and Red Mountain, but so much of ESO isn't very "Elder Scrolls" that you kinda have to look at it as above-average fan fiction and put up with the incorrect architecture, smaller than expected zones, impassable areas, and enjoy the parts of the game they do incredibly well (the core gameplay loops). Wait until either Bethesda or a capable mod team tackle Summerset with TES6's engine for an accurate representation.

If you compare ESO expansions ("Chapters") to expansions of other MMORPGs you'll quickly see that the average Chapter offers 1/3 (more like 1/5) of a competitor's expansion (FFXIV, WoW or GW2 for example) but you have to pay the same price for it. On top of that you get new zones that aren't even entirely explorable due to [reasons]. And on top of that a new "expansion" doesn't even come with new dungeons, no, you have to pay for them three months later in a so called "dungeon DLC".

Excuse me but everybody who doesn't think this approach might sooner or later be a problem is a bit delusional. And now they're selling "Chapters" as DLC because... it always has been a DLC but they renamed it to squeeze even more money out of it.

I love ESO but nobody should defend this shady sales practice.

karekiz wrote: »

BACK IN MY DAY EXPANSION HAD A NEW CONTINENT RACE MULTIPLE LEVEL INCREASES EPIC WEAPONS RAID ZONES LIZARD PEOPLE CAMPING 20 HOURS TONS OF DUNGEONS AND ITEMS NEW TRADESKILLS AND NO WEB GUIDE!

The difference in quality between these two posts is like a microcosm of internet forums

I'm OK with large areas of the map being inaccessible, on the theory that this gives them real estate to fill in down the road. Not saying that this is their MO ('cuz I can't read minds!), but if _I_ were in their shoes. I would draw the map as big as possible, then have certain areas unreachable or blocked off or otherwise inaccessible (just as they are in the main game) for the specific purpose of giving myself room to expand down the road.

A game like this... I would be thinking a decade ahead. If it were me.

Waseem wrote: »

why you even care of the size
Cyrodiil is largest map in ESO and all it causes are cancer and diabetes

Because Zenimax told us one thing, and seems to be doing something else.

It's that simple.

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

I'm OK with large areas of the map being inaccessible, on the theory that this gives them real estate to fill in down the road. Not saying that this is their MO ('cuz I can't read minds!), but if _I_ were in their shoes. I would draw the map as big as possible, then have certain areas unreachable or blocked off or otherwise inaccessible (just as they are in the main game) for the specific purpose of giving myself room to expand down the road.

A game like this... I would be thinking a decade ahead. If it were me.

If they were only letting us access a small portion of Summerset (scaled to a size larger than Vvardenfell as they promised) then I would have literally no problem with this. Instead, they put mountains where future content should be. Unless they plan on "transcription error-ing" the mountains too.

*** Note ***
Shaded red areas will be playable for those that sign up for ESO PLUS SUPER! Coming later this year with four times the bank/inventory space. It will be available for 100 Septims, which can be acquired by refining Crown Gems obtained from crown crates, purchased with crowns.

@Nestor @starkerealm can either of you guys elaborate on the size of the main city (alinor i belive?) In comparison to say orsinium.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Summrset is almost exactly the size of Cyrodill.


If its even smaller by 30% it's just pure developer laziness by graying out entire portions with mountains unexplorable

"The size of Cyrodiil with the amount of content like Auridon." Nice!

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be called a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Typically people complain if they feel if product are not worth it. The people praises orsinimum , are same people complaining summerset. Deal with it. Its company future at stake. Customers always run towards whom they think provide better . Gaming customers are not fools and should not be taken for granted.

"It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing" . When people written off ZOs similar to rockstar and put bad mouthing everywhere in internet and its abolutely nothing ?

Wont ZOs & Bethesda dont to want to sell their next game /need customers to preorder and close the business after ESO ?

Can someone please translate this for me??

Alinor is as big as Auridon! Amazing!

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be called a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

You’re being deliberately obtuse here and you're missing the point entirely. It's getting a bit silly to have to repeat this:

Zenimax told us this would be the largest zone they've ever released.

It is not.

It's that simple.

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

Greetings, we've removed a few non constructive/baiting comments. This is a reminder that posts should adhere to our forum rules and contain something that contributes to the conversation. This does not include personal insults or comments trying to start an argument. Thank you for your understanding.

Can't you respond to the majority vibe of the comments here then regarding the size ?

Don’t expect a response and don’t blame the mods. They have no control over company statements. We need someone like @ZOS_GinaBruno to respond to this, but after her last statement it may be “smarter” for ZOS to ignore this problem and hope it goes away.

this expansion remind me a song called "cut every corner"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6VaymcNH7mo

p.s. summerset expansion definitely isn't cheap, especially when compare with all it's competitor eg wow, gw2. Same price while only offer 1/5~1/10 of the content other games has to offer.. and now they are cutting every corner for the little content they have to offer.. really disappointed