Size of Summerset

grizzledcroc

I like to wanna expect amazing stuff from a game I love and know is capable of extremely awesome things. I so hated that vvardenfel felt like it was missing halfi ts content. Constantly running into locked doors and finding ruins and tombs in knocks and crannies and not being able to enter it was very sad to me and really hurt the expansion in the end .

Seraphayel

Darkstorne wrote: »

So long as the content is enjoyable. They have to churn these expansions out every 12 months which is an incredibly short time-span by MMO standards, and that's on top of an additional explorable location in-between each expansion (Clockwork City was fairly substantial all things considered).

I agree it's definitely not very "Elder Scrolls" to have impassable terrain like this and Red Mountain, but so much of ESO isn't very "Elder Scrolls" that you kinda have to look at it as above-average fan fiction and put up with the incorrect architecture, smaller than expected zones, impassable areas, and enjoy the parts of the game they do incredibly well (the core gameplay loops). Wait until either Bethesda or a capable mod team tackle Summerset with TES6's engine for an accurate representation.

If you compare ESO expansions ("Chapters") to expansions of other MMORPGs you'll quickly see that the average Chapter offers 1/3 (more like 1/5) of a competitor's expansion (FFXIV, WoW or GW2 for example) but you have to pay the same price for it. On top of that you get new zones that aren't even entirely explorable due to [reasons]. And on top of that a new "expansion" doesn't even come with new dungeons, no, you have to pay for them three months later in a so called "dungeon DLC".

Excuse me but everybody who doesn't think this approach might sooner or later be a problem is a bit delusional. And now they're selling "Chapters" as DLC because... it always has been a DLC but they renamed it to squeeze even more money out of it.

I love ESO but nobody should defend this shady sales practice.

karekiz

BACK IN MY DAY EXPANSION HAD A NEW CONTINENT RACE MULTIPLE LEVEL INCREASES EPIC WEAPONS RAID ZONES LIZARD PEOPLE CAMPING 20 HOURS TONS OF DUNGEONS AND ITEMS NEW TRADESKILLS AND NO WEB GUIDE!

psychotrip

Seraphayel wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

So long as the content is enjoyable. They have to churn these expansions out every 12 months which is an incredibly short time-span by MMO standards, and that's on top of an additional explorable location in-between each expansion (Clockwork City was fairly substantial all things considered).

I agree it's definitely not very "Elder Scrolls" to have impassable terrain like this and Red Mountain, but so much of ESO isn't very "Elder Scrolls" that you kinda have to look at it as above-average fan fiction and put up with the incorrect architecture, smaller than expected zones, impassable areas, and enjoy the parts of the game they do incredibly well (the core gameplay loops). Wait until either Bethesda or a capable mod team tackle Summerset with TES6's engine for an accurate representation.

If you compare ESO expansions ("Chapters") to expansions of other MMORPGs you'll quickly see that the average Chapter offers 1/3 (more like 1/5) of a competitor's expansion (FFXIV, WoW or GW2 for example) but you have to pay the same price for it. On top of that you get new zones that aren't even entirely explorable due to [reasons]. And on top of that a new "expansion" doesn't even come with new dungeons, no, you have to pay for them three months later in a so called "dungeon DLC".

Excuse me but everybody who doesn't think this approach might sooner or later be a problem is a bit delusional. And now they're selling "Chapters" as DLC because... it always has been a DLC but they renamed it to squeeze even more money out of it.

I love ESO but nobody should defend this shady sales practice.

karekiz wrote: »

BACK IN MY DAY EXPANSION HAD A NEW CONTINENT RACE MULTIPLE LEVEL INCREASES EPIC WEAPONS RAID ZONES LIZARD PEOPLE CAMPING 20 HOURS TONS OF DUNGEONS AND ITEMS NEW TRADESKILLS AND NO WEB GUIDE!

The difference in quality between these two posts is like a microcosm of internet forums

Waseem

why you even care of the size
Cyrodiil is largest map in ESO and all it causes are cancer and diabetes

ProfesseurFreder

I'm OK with large areas of the map being inaccessible, on the theory that this gives them real estate to fill in down the road. Not saying that this is their MO ('cuz I can't read minds!), but if _I_ were in their shoes. I would draw the map as big as possible, then have certain areas unreachable or blocked off or otherwise inaccessible (just as they are in the main game) for the specific purpose of giving myself room to expand down the road.

A game like this... I would be thinking a decade ahead. If it were me.

Esquirel

I am pretty new to the game and a 2nd class "Vestige" to boot being able to access ESO exclusively via Steam.

I started out in Vvardenfell. The island seemed huge at first. I explored every nook and cranny and opened all the wayshrines with my non-leveled mount.

Result: + Vivec City and Balmora.
The rest: Lava and shroom PTSD and a "Fly over State" without a flying mount.

I pre-ordered Summerset for the jewelry crafting and new skill line and am absolutely ok with my decision.

My expectations for the new island: + a few cities.
For the rest I expect the same as Vvard: "Fly over State" without a flying mount.

psychotrip

Waseem wrote: »

why you even care of the size
Cyrodiil is largest map in ESO and all it causes are cancer and diabetes

Because Zenimax told us one thing, and seems to be doing something else.

It's that simple.

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

I'm OK with large areas of the map being inaccessible, on the theory that this gives them real estate to fill in down the road. Not saying that this is their MO ('cuz I can't read minds!), but if _I_ were in their shoes. I would draw the map as big as possible, then have certain areas unreachable or blocked off or otherwise inaccessible (just as they are in the main game) for the specific purpose of giving myself room to expand down the road.

A game like this... I would be thinking a decade ahead. If it were me.

If they were only letting us access a small portion of Summerset (scaled to a size larger than Vvardenfell as they promised) then I would have literally no problem with this. Instead, they put mountains where future content should be. Unless they plan on "transcription error-ing" the mountains too.

DoctorESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

All I want to know is, if I start a pint of beer while at the southern end and begin riding my horse north, will I be able to finish the beer before I hit the northern end?

That depends on how fast you drink.

Blacknight841

*** Note ***
Shaded red areas will be playable for those that sign up for ESO PLUS SUPER! Coming later this year with four times the bank/inventory space. It will be available for 100 Septims, which can be acquired by refining Crown Gems obtained from crown crates, purchased with crowns.

JJBoomer

I said that I was disappointed by the size of Summerset.

I want to officially take it back. While I did want the Elven capital island to be grandiose in size and presence, the more I learn about the content, the more excited I get. And with the possibility of future gorgeous Summerset homes, I am very excited. All my elf toons are very excited to go home.

exeeter702

@Nestor @starkerealm can either of you guys elaborate on the size of the main city (alinor i belive?) In comparison to say orsinium.

starkerealm

I honestly can't. I spent most of my time exploring outside of the towns.

Nelson_Rebel

Summrset is almost exactly the size of Cyrodill.


If its even smaller by 30% it's just pure developer laziness by graying out entire portions with mountains unexplorable

exeeter702

starkerealm wrote: »

I honestly can't. I spent most of my time exploring outside of the towns.

I see. Thanks

Seraphayel

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Summrset is almost exactly the size of Cyrodill.


If its even smaller by 30% it's just pure developer laziness by graying out entire portions with mountains unexplorable

"The size of Cyrodiil with the amount of content like Auridon." Nice!

Nestor

exeeter702 wrote: »

@Nestor @starkerealm can either of you guys elaborate on the size of the main city (alinor i belive?) In comparison to say orsinium.

@exeeter702

Hmm, I would say at least as big, but in area to do things, larger. There is even more vertical to Alinor. Also, the other cities I visited were of a good size too.

Rain_Greyraven

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be called a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Priyasekarssk

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Typically people complain if they feel if product are not worth it. The people praises orsinimum , are same people complaining summerset. Deal with it. Its company future at stake. Customers always run towards whom they think provide better . Gaming customers are not fools and should not be taken for granted.

"It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing" . When people written off ZOs similar to rockstar and put bad mouthing everywhere in internet and its abolutely nothing ?

Wont ZOs & Bethesda dont want to sell their next game & need customers to preorder or close the business after ESO ?

Rain_Greyraven

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Typically people complain if they feel if product are not worth it. The people praises orsinimum , are same people complaining summerset. Deal with it. Its company future at stake. Customers always run towards whom they think provide better . Gaming customers are not fools and should not be taken for granted.

"It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing" . When people written off ZOs similar to rockstar and put bad mouthing everywhere in internet and its abolutely nothing ?

Wont ZOs & Bethesda dont to want to sell their next game /need customers to preorder and close the business after ESO ?

Can someone please translate this for me??

Jhalin

a visual guide for those not really able to understand the concerns, these are the two zones scaled to equal proportions (based on the size of towns)

Jhalin wrote: »

After scaling the maps based on town size, the world map should display Summerset about 25% smaller than it's currently being shown

1: The world map with direct overlays. The visual scale discrepancies are pretty clear here


2: checking town sizes and scale discrepancies, included all beachfront and docks for the towns sizing. Based on PTS experience, the Summerset towns are the same size or smaller than Skywatch in horizontal space taken, Summerset towns have much more verticality and winding corridors.


3: scaled summerset zone based on town sizes. Even very forgiving size references show a major problem in how the zone was designed.

Seraphayel

Alinor is as big as Auridon! Amazing!

Priyasekarssk

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

Typically people complain if they feel if product are not worth it. The people praises orsinimum , are same people complaining summerset. Deal with it. Its company future at stake. Customers always run towards whom they think provide better . Gaming customers are not fools and should not be taken for granted.

"It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing" . When people written off ZOs similar to rockstar and put bad mouthing everywhere in internet and its abolutely nothing ?

Wont ZOs & Bethesda dont to want to sell their next game /need customers to preorder or close the business after ESO ?

Can someone please translate this for me??

No translation required. Its simple English. I am sure you are not from one of the player community. No one wants to waste time. Everyone understood whats said.

psychotrip

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey all,

Gina cleared up a bit of this over here:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

nice

Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.

sorry, but you guys cant be trusted anymore.

Typical.....:=/


However it turns out a few things are for certain.


No matter how much content we get it will never be enough
It will always be called a rip off unless it is given away for free and includes a $100.00 rebate
It will always be described as Cringe-worthy, toxic and cancerous, unless it's skyrim and even then it will be called a pale imitation of the best most wonderful game ever created in the history of the multiverse.


And even if Zenimax became a NPO that donated 100% of their assets to feeding armless one eyed orphans, they will still be called a evil greedy megacorp, by the perpetually outraged.


But you can bet money that those who are morally and ethically outraged will tell you how much they are morally and ethically outraged 24/7...forever while they are rubing their hand in anticipation of the servers closing. And on that day, the exact same people will say "How could this happen???? This was the best game eva!!!!"

And will spend the following ten years making tribute videos and signing petitions for ESO's return.


It's typical internet silliness and means absolutely nothing.

You’re being deliberately obtuse here and you're missing the point entirely. It's getting a bit silly to have to repeat this:

Zenimax told us this would be the largest zone they've ever released.

It is not.

It's that simple.

yiasemi

It's pretty damning, and if the only defence is I would do the same thing and charge you the same again further down the road because we didn't actually go into specifics and only made vague promises then we already entered the self-flagellation zone. I am going to guess these blank zones are going to be for huge casinos where you can gamble crowns all day long.

ZOS_JesC

Greetings, we've removed a few non constructive/baiting comments. This is a reminder that posts should adhere to our forum rules and contain something that contributes to the conversation. This does not include personal insults or comments trying to start an argument. Thank you for your understanding.

WhoSlappedThePie

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

Greetings, we've removed a few non constructive/baiting comments. This is a reminder that posts should adhere to our forum rules and contain something that contributes to the conversation. This does not include personal insults or comments trying to start an argument. Thank you for your understanding.

Can't you respond to the majority vibe of the comments here then regarding the size ?

psychotrip

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

Greetings, we've removed a few non constructive/baiting comments. This is a reminder that posts should adhere to our forum rules and contain something that contributes to the conversation. This does not include personal insults or comments trying to start an argument. Thank you for your understanding.

Can't you respond to the majority vibe of the comments here then regarding the size ?

Don’t expect a response and don’t blame the mods. They have no control over company statements. We need someone like @ZOS_GinaBruno to respond to this, but after her last statement it may be “smarter” for ZOS to ignore this problem and hope it goes away.

FloppyTouch

psychotrip wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

ZOS_JesC wrote: »

Greetings, we've removed a few non constructive/baiting comments. This is a reminder that posts should adhere to our forum rules and contain something that contributes to the conversation. This does not include personal insults or comments trying to start an argument. Thank you for your understanding.

Can't you respond to the majority vibe of the comments here then regarding the size ?

Don’t expect a response and don’t blame the mods. They have no control over company statements. We need someone like @ZOS_GinaBruno to respond to this, but after her last statement it may be “smarter” for ZOS to ignore this problem and hope it goes away.

Lie, hook then hide well played ZOS

lihentian

this expansion remind me a song called "cut every corner"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6VaymcNH7mo

p.s. summerset expansion definitely isn't cheap, especially when compare with all it's competitor eg wow, gw2. Same price while only offer 1/5~1/10 of the content other games has to offer.. and now they are cutting every corner for the little content they have to offer.. really disappointed