Priyasekarssk wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Look at GTA online. One of the successful game . They allow max of 500 gold loot in open PVP , that too only if you consent to fight. Not entire half.

This is a really funny comparison to make. GTAO is far more griefer enabling than ESO's IC Tel Var. Yes, you can't lose significant chunks of cash in open-world PvP in GTAO. You can't lose gold, writ vouchers, earned AP, transmute crystals, or banked Tel Var in ESO either. The majority of the game play added since summer 2016 is their open world missions, in which mid mission the entire map is informed (and given a nice marker) to come kill you, in many scenarios you are stuck in a slow vehicle while opponents can use anything they feel like; and you can lose everything while others have minimal gain. Every time you go into IC, there's a banker there.

pieratsos wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

DocDova wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

See. Experienced players are real cancer for this game. All they want is to loot tel-vars from lower CPs players. Gankers always wait for at entrance of opposite entrance just for stealing telvars from lower level players. They wont allow any changes to this. PVP is a joke. In the end imperial city is complete failure. Who cares ? I dont see any new players going to imperial city. Of course no will go because of these. They wont allow any meaningful changes to make. So, called experienced players only care about themselves and their fat leaching from lower level players. No cares who is playing and leaving !! Good luck with selfish players & ZOs support their fat leaching !!!

Right, I did notice Tel-vars disappearing, So they were going to those guys who were attacking me ? That changes things. Concept of getting loot from engine enemies is acceptable but human players attacking and killing other human players for sake of some in game currency, Wouldn't be acceptable in any civilized society.

Come on, there has to be some kind of moral guidelines for developers, I don't recommend as strict moral guidelines as I apply on myself to any not willing person, But that's too low. Allowing players to attack other human players to loot their in game currency. There is nothing which could make me OK with that.

Look at GTA online. One of the successful game . They allow max of 500 gold loot in open PVP , that too only if you consent to fight. Not entire half. Many successful games PVP environment are designed that way. ZOs game designers have no clue how to develop a PVP environment. These max CP noobs, calling themselves self proclaimed Pros , misguiding ZOs what good for themselves not the game or other players. They never have any concern about gaming community or game health. Literally Imperial city is meant for max cp. Others *** off. No wornder sewers & imperial city is always empty except few gankers at opposite entrances. ZOs should listen to everyone. Atleast they should learn to look at other successful games.
Experience players are real cancerous tumor for this game dont allow ZOs to fix game design to get this comparable with skyrim or other legendary games. ZOs only making this cancerous tumor grow large.

You do realise that there is a no CP campaign too right?

No CP does not disable legendary gear bonus and skill point bonus.

Wut? So what exactly do u want. Content to fight naked without skills?

I dont want anything. Lets all leach new players and drive them out of the game. Trust me I am no different. I dont give anything when ZOs doesn't care. Experience players are cancerous tumor which includes myself.

I've been playing since the game became buy2play and PVPing for over a year now. I guess I'm a cancerous tumor who needs to be,
surgically removed from the game so that new players can live.

WTF?

Of course . Other gaming community has compassion for fellow players. They have guidelines which they feel something is not right. I know in one game with similar mechanics, senior players wont attack lower level players when do certain activity. All that lower level player have to do is hold the rifle up. Player just leave the lower level player to complete his activity . After all he also pays the money to play that game. Its just common guideline among player community even though game allows to exploit lower level players.

ESO player community is worst player community I ever come across in the online gaming world as far I know. I also play other games and know other player community. Thats why I say this in certainty. Every game mechanics is adjusted to their liking. 2000g for skyreach run , 4000g for veteran run ? 500g for WB run ? You are asking me wtf ? I can give many examples. This acceptable way of playing a game in ESO. ZOs is feeding this cancer.

Cancerous tumor in ESO what they do you know, they will directly go to opponent alliance base bully lower level players as if they are only one who paid money to play this game. Some people only purpose at max cp is to bully lower level players in PVP especially telvars . Bullying is worst in ESO. Just because they leveled up and started playing early. If you do that yes, you are destroying the game like a cancer within. You are not only one who paid money to play the game. You are stealing his money by literally bullying him just because you are more experienced than him in the game. New player has same and equal right as you to play the game without getting bullied.
I leave it to your judgement. If you think bullying is acceptable way of playing the game lets everyone do it. Lets go opponent base kill lower level players and steal. Why not ?

Word of advice: If your actual problem is with experienced players that prey on inexperienced/low-level players by ganking them right outside their home base or specifically targeting the low levels or constantly rolling in the low-level campaigns with obviously experienced characters or who duel at level 10 in golded out gear...

Just say so in the first place. Most of us agree that people who deliberately go for lowbies/inexperienced players are jerks.

Don't go all "Experienced players are cancer! PVPers are bullies!"

Because I've been helped enormously by experienced players. It was experienced players in my PVP guild who took me under their wing and helped me learn to PVP. I appreciate experienced players like Joy-Division who take their knowledge and write guides to help other people to learn to enjoy the game. I've done my best to help pass along the help I received.

Here's my advice: PVP in ESO takes grit. You are going to die. If you want to PVP, you have to rez up and keep trying. I've been that level 48 who walked out the home base door and got ganked. Rezzed up, went up to the districts instead. No one is going to respect your low-level or obvious noobness (its not that obvious) or your obvious "I'm just here on a quest!" vibes (because nothing of the sort exists.)

If you can't handle dying to other players, sometimes in ways you think are unfair or unsporting - talk to me about lag in Cyrodiil sometime - PVP in ESO is not going to be your cup of tea. It just isn't. Players killing you isn't bullying (unless its again and again in a clear pattern of harassment - you throwing yourself at them repeatedly is you being farmed). Learn to die with grace, learn to pick yourself up and think about what you could have done differently, and move on with your own objective...those are the skills you need to stick with PVP. Blaming the other guy for "picking on you" because they're so much better is the sort of attitude that makes PVP much less enjoyable.

PVP has a high learning curve. I know this - I had the same learning curve when I started because I sucked at PVP. What helped me was 1. Knowing I was going to die because I honestly sucked due to inexperience and thus wanting to rez up and keep going, and 2. Finding experienced players willing to help me learn to become better at PVP.

If you want to PVP, find your grit, and rez up and keep going when you die. Find experienced players that can help you.
If you don't want to PVP, that's fine! Quit insulting those of us who do because we enjoy something you dislike.

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

If you want to PVP, find your grit, and rez up and keep going when you die. Find experienced players that can help you.
If you don't want to PVP, that's fine! Quit insulting those of us who do because we enjoy something you dislike.

Don't be obtuse. He doesn't want to PVP at all. Like so many of us, he wants to PVE but he keeps getting attacked by experienced PVP players who are geared for PVP and know what they are doing in PVP. This interferes with him doing PVE. The fundamental problem with IC is that it is about rewarding PVP players preying on PVE players who are not geared for PVP and don't want to PVP in the first place. It's disgusting and the OP is absolutely right. The sooner we get a PVE only version of IC the sooner a lot of people are going to become very much happier. Only those who get pleasure from making others miserable will complain.

Here's my suggestions for an PVE version of the Imperial City from the1st page of the thread. This sound good to you?

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Imperial City is a mixed PVE/PVP zone. The reward of the extra Tel Var currency and the stuff you can buy with it is only because fd the extra risk of PVP.

Here's my suggestion for Imperial City Story mode (separate from doing the quest with PVP enabled). You are set to PVE-only, cannot be attacked and cannot attack players in turn. You gain no Tel Var, cannot get achievements other than the main quest ones, cannot open chests, and reward limited quest rewards compared to those who did it with PVP enabled.

Basically, if you aren't willing to assume the risk of playing the Imperial City as designed, you get very little reward, but aren't locked out of the quest content.

Or, you could do what I did and complete the main quest on a dead empty campaign. I don't think I saw a single player.

Basically strip out the Tel Var and other rewards and non-main quest achievements because all of those are a reward for the risk of PVP. No risk, no additional reward.

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Imperial City is a mixed PVE/PVP zone. The reward of the extra Tel Var currency and the stuff you can buy with it is only because od the extra risk of PVP.

Here's my suggestion for Imperial City Story mode (separate from doing the quest with PVP enabled). You are set to PVE-only, cannot be attacked and cannot attack players in turn. You gain no Tel Var, cannot get achievements other than the main quest ones, cannot open chests, and reward limited quest rewards compared to those who did it with PVP enabled.

Basically, if you aren't willing to assume the risk of playing the Imperial City as designed, you get very little reward, but aren't locked out of the quest content.

Or, you could do what I did and complete the main quest on a dead empty campaign. I don't think I saw a single player.

I would love it if there were an option to enter IC as a pve zone. I would gladly give up tel-var if it meant I could enter IC without being ganked. Some of the best pve storyline quests are in IC and they area is so immersive ... well except when you get ganked.

If tel var were the trade-off, fine ... I don't care ... I wish I had the option to destroy tel var as it accumulated in my inventory (I really do). Nothing would be more satisfying than knowing my ganker got zero tel var stones from me. They could gank me all they want, and I would just keep smiling knowing that my dealth was a waste of their time.

Anyway, back on topic .. so, under this trade-off, IC pve'ers would get gold instead of tel var stones. Open a chest ... you get gold (plus whatever non-tel-var items drop from that chest). Kill a mob or boss ... you get gold (in addition to whatever else normally drops).

Obviously, when in pve-mode, nothing you do would trigger or count toward a pvp achievement. And, just like any other pve zone, you can't 'killl' another player unless you are in a duel with them. When in pve-mode, standing on a District Flag won't do anything (obviously). District flag guards would act indifferent to the pve'ers (no matter the alliance), and would be considered 'friendlies' ... and, while in IC, pve'ers would not be able to harm friendlies.

Also, I don't think we need the justice system in IC, so we probably don't need a thieves hide-out either.

The pve'er would be able to enter their IC alliance base ... they can access the banker, use crafting tables, interact with merchants, and any NPC quest-givers there. No, we aren't going to bar a pve'er from being able to interact with a tel-var merchant. Although tel var may not drop while in pve-mode, previous accumulations aren't going to disappear from a player's bank.

Note: Despite the fact that the player would be in pve-mode, they should not have free-reign to enter any of the IC bases, rather it should be limited to their own faction's IC base.

I don't think you should get non-Tel Var items from chests, like the alliance war motifs that drop from PVP zones like Cyrodiil and IC. Non-set gear is fine, but not the motifs.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I play PSN NA, and i run Shor all the time. I don't always get ganked, but when i do, its usually with a Dos Equis....

Seriously though, if you dont care about the TV then death is a meaningless annoyance to you. If you care about the TV, deal with the consequences. No one is going to change the game to allow you to harvest TV without threat. That's what it really comes down to.

And this is not the same as school bullying or cyber bullying. This is a game. If you don't like the heat, don't go in the kitchen. There is plenty to do without IC. And a CP 520 and a CP 315 aren't that different. They beat you because they understand the PvP mechanic, not because they had more CP. When i started PvP i was very bad. Still am. But not as bad because i learned it functions completely different than PvE and i've adjusted.

I just couldn't help it.......

#Triggered a little lol

AlnilamE wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

agree, this is why i don't have imperial city.. because pvp and pve have different equipment/set.. you can't really be at best at pve and pvp at the same time.. so why not make some sort of flagging..so player may choose if they want to join the fight or not..

or make a different instance for pve player who do not enjoy pvp element of this dlc.

Without Tel Var stones.

Why ?

Because Tel Var is the reward you get for the risk of PvP. If there is no PvP, there should be no Tel Var. They are build around PvP and are the only thing in the game that has that particular mechanic.

DocDova wrote: »

Entering Arena District Now, Let's see if anyone bothers me while I am doing daedra quest.

DocDova wrote: »

OK, I was attacked without any provocation. Probably people just won't change.

You know there is an achievement for killing a certain number of people inside the Arena, right?

DocDova wrote: »

Instead of complicating the matter, It's better to get to root of problem. How problem started ? Why I needed to visit Imperial City. I could be amicable, If there is no need for me to visit PvP areas to complete quests (Writ in this case) received in PvE areas, I might not visit there. A little mail in my character's social section with resources I Lost could solve some grief I sustained.

Problem: Have Master Writ for IC set and doesn't want to go to IC.
Solution: a) Join a guild that has the IC sets in their Guild Hall. b) Sell Writ to someone who does or is willing to go to IC.

Honestly, those were the first sets we got attuned, not because we don't like going to IC but because it's such a hassle to get there if all you want is to complete a writ.

"A little mail in my character's social section with resources I Lost could solve some grief I sustained"?

Mmmmm.... the only thing you could have possibly lost are Tel Var stones and there is no way of mailing them. So you will have to guilt the player who killed you into letting them kill you to get them back.

With your diplomatic skills, I'm sure that will be no problem.

greylox wrote: »

To all the 'if you don't like PvP don't go' crowd....I don't go. I'm asking for a version, without any of the PvP rewards that I can go to. Many people want this and it takes nothing away from you.

You know, I've never completed vMA. Not because I don't think I'm capable, but because I know it's going to take a good amount of time to learn the mechanics and I'm very dependent on muscle memory and practice and there are a ton of other things I want to do in the game. And that's ok.

Not ever going to IC or Cyrodiil is also ok. There is plenty to do in the game that different people find enjoyable.

How about decreasing telvars to 10 percent when killing a lower level player or any player ? So that experienced cancers go to kill the boss rather than killing new bies near opponent base ? When killed by NPCs let it be 75 percent.
How about new players going to court about bullying in game ?

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/when-cyberbullying-and-bullying-meet-gaming-a-systemic-review-of-the-literature-2161-0487-1000195.php?aid=58701

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/05/how-to-fix-video-games-bullying-problem/371344/

https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/can-you-sue-cyberbullying

Again its ZOs problem. Not me. A Game should not designed in such a way to be bullied.

If going to court is only way so be it. ZOs wont give anything until someone fixes the game so be it.

How about you joining an alliance that will defend their players. If I'm in IC and someone is ganking at the door, I'm going out there and hunting them, even if I'm going to end up dead 90% of the time.

Also, a player who is just leaving their alliance hub to do PvE would be carrying 0 Tel Var stones, unless they intend to farm Tel Var.

This thread reminds me of that part in Hook where Hook goes " i want i want i want me me me"

AlnilamE wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I play PSN NA, and i run Shor all the time. I don't always get ganked, but when i do, its usually with a Dos Equis....

Seriously though, if you dont care about the TV then death is a meaningless annoyance to you. If you care about the TV, deal with the consequences. No one is going to change the game to allow you to harvest TV without threat. That's what it really comes down to.

And this is not the same as school bullying or cyber bullying. This is a game. If you don't like the heat, don't go in the kitchen. There is plenty to do without IC. And a CP 520 and a CP 315 aren't that different. They beat you because they understand the PvP mechanic, not because they had more CP. When i started PvP i was very bad. Still am. But not as bad because i learned it functions completely different than PvE and i've adjusted.

I just couldn't help it.......

#Triggered a little lol

AlnilamE wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

agree, this is why i don't have imperial city.. because pvp and pve have different equipment/set.. you can't really be at best at pve and pvp at the same time.. so why not make some sort of flagging..so player may choose if they want to join the fight or not..

or make a different instance for pve player who do not enjoy pvp element of this dlc.

Without Tel Var stones.

Why ?

Because Tel Var is the reward you get for the risk of PvP. If there is no PvP, there should be no Tel Var. They are build around PvP and are the only thing in the game that has that particular mechanic.

DocDova wrote: »

Entering Arena District Now, Let's see if anyone bothers me while I am doing daedra quest.

DocDova wrote: »

OK, I was attacked without any provocation. Probably people just won't change.

You know there is an achievement for killing a certain number of people inside the Arena, right?

DocDova wrote: »

Instead of complicating the matter, It's better to get to root of problem. How problem started ? Why I needed to visit Imperial City. I could be amicable, If there is no need for me to visit PvP areas to complete quests (Writ in this case) received in PvE areas, I might not visit there. A little mail in my character's social section with resources I Lost could solve some grief I sustained.

Problem: Have Master Writ for IC set and doesn't want to go to IC.
Solution: a) Join a guild that has the IC sets in their Guild Hall. b) Sell Writ to someone who does or is willing to go to IC.

Honestly, those were the first sets we got attuned, not because we don't like going to IC but because it's such a hassle to get there if all you want is to complete a writ.

"A little mail in my character's social section with resources I Lost could solve some grief I sustained"?

Mmmmm.... the only thing you could have possibly lost are Tel Var stones and there is no way of mailing them. So you will have to guilt the player who killed you into letting them kill you to get them back.

With your diplomatic skills, I'm sure that will be no problem.

greylox wrote: »

To all the 'if you don't like PvP don't go' crowd....I don't go. I'm asking for a version, without any of the PvP rewards that I can go to. Many people want this and it takes nothing away from you.

You know, I've never completed vMA. Not because I don't think I'm capable, but because I know it's going to take a good amount of time to learn the mechanics and I'm very dependent on muscle memory and practice and there are a ton of other things I want to do in the game. And that's ok.

Not ever going to IC or Cyrodiil is also ok. There is plenty to do in the game that different people find enjoyable.

How about decreasing telvars to 10 percent when killing a lower level player or any player ? So that experienced cancers go to kill the boss rather than killing new bies near opponent base ? When killed by NPCs let it be 75 percent.
How about new players going to court about bullying in game ?

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/when-cyberbullying-and-bullying-meet-gaming-a-systemic-review-of-the-literature-2161-0487-1000195.php?aid=58701

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/05/how-to-fix-video-games-bullying-problem/371344/

https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/can-you-sue-cyberbullying

Again its ZOs problem. Not me. A Game should not designed in such a way to be bullied.

If going to court is only way so be it. ZOs wont give anything until someone fixes the game so be it.

How about you joining an alliance that will defend their players. If I'm in IC and someone is ganking at the door, I'm going out there and hunting them, even if I'm going to end up dead 90% of the time.

Also, a player who is just leaving their alliance hub to do PvE would be carrying 0 Tel Var stones, unless they intend to farm Tel Var.

You should not be at door. Just roam around opponent base in stealth mode and just jump up on juicy targets or when about to kill a boss. You can easily differentiate a new player and experience player by their way of playing. Now they buffed NB. It will be super easy.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

How about decreasing telvars to 10 percent when killing a lower level player or any player ? So that experienced cancers go to kill the boss rather than killing new bies near opponent base ? When killed by NPCs let it be 75 percent.
How about new players going to court about bullying in game ?

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/when-cyberbullying-and-bullying-meet-gaming-a-systemic-review-of-the-literature-2161-0487-1000195.php?aid=58701

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/05/how-to-fix-video-games-bullying-problem/371344/

https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/can-you-sue-cyberbullying

https://nobullying.com/the-rise-of-bullying-in-online-games/

http://news.jrn.msu.edu/bullying/2012/02/15/video-game-griefers/

Again its ZOs problem. Not me or even you. A Game should not designed in such a way to be bullied for an in game. You are not designer or owner of the game. ZOs is responsible for it. Not you or me. Also players leaving the game.

If going to court is only way so be it. ZOs wont give anything until someone fixes the game so be it. ESO gaming community is so worse than any other game . Either they dont know about online games or just keen to exploit.
Again, I have nothing in this.

That's why I was trying to convey to them in hidden way. Bullying while gaming online is an ongoing phenomenon and it's only increasing with more and more games having online feature. I just don't wanted to say it loud, but people could sue them.

Though this bullying is yet limited to gaming only but it might adversely affect teenagers or young adults. doesn't matter if they are victims or bully themselves. Since I am speaking Truth, I shall speak whole truth. I stupidly wasted two Hakeijo rune while trying to complete an enchanting writ, So I decided to farm some in IC, When I reached there I came to know situation is that bad there.

Since Cat is out of bag now, there is no point talking in codes. ZOS There is Bullying happening in PvP areas and it won't be explainable by giving excuse of game mechanics in court of law. What you take as consent wouldn't stand in court. I am an old gamer and last thing I would want is to right winger people picking this to bully gaming companies. NRA and 2nd amendment lovers would happily try to make gaming companies scapegoat for their sins. It would be High School all over again.

Strengthen your defenses, You would face this problem for sure. I would be more than happy just with 2 Hekeijo runes being given to me, But You have a larger problem at hand. If these kind of matter goes to court, Support of Hardcore gamers (or those who like Bullying without realizing they are doing it) wouldn't matter one iota. You can count on my support But despite me being in favor of video game industry, NOW I know that there were steps you could have taken to prevent this kind of bullying But you didn't.

These kind of lawsuits could be biggest problem in front of video game industry in coming years. Preventing this kind of bullying is not just smart step, But also the right thing to do.

swippy wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

How about decreasing telvars to 10 percent when killing a lower level player or any player ? So that experienced cancers go to kill the boss rather than killing new bies near opponent base ?

what's with the insistence on name-calling here? and what's the correlation between being experienced and being cancerous? i am nearing the upper range of CP and i still feel like a noob, but i do help less knowledgeable players when they present themselves reasonably. at what CP does a player become cancerous? when do you plan to quit the game?

it strikes me as incongruous that these people railing against "bullying" open with calling strangers names.

Where is naming here ? Are just come here to brag ? I am not planning to quit game. Of course bullies are cancers. New player or moderate player cannot bully. A cancer kill the body from within. so does a bully in game. If you have any other name let me call that way .

The new breed of social justice loser is the biggest bully going. Only they can be the victim and aggressor at the same time. Just like your masters.

And with every new DLC, the whole meaning and rationale of Cyrodiil, the Alliances and the war in Imperial City are becoming increasingly and painfully irrelevant. Let's name a new NPC Emperor, let old mate Abnur Tharn present him/her with the Amulet of Kings, declare the Interregnum over, and make these places PvE now the dust's settled.

Since we all know that wars simply move around and never end, let's start a new one. I suggest Elsweyr, and the collapse of that province into its constituent areas, Anequina, Quin'Rawl, Tenmar et al.

Because with the introduction of each new DLC/Chapter, the Soulburst and the Alliance War have reached the point where they're meaningless.

It's also not against PvP enthusiast, Every campaign allow a fix max number of players. Imagine half players of a fraction are just there to do regular PvE stuff, farming, skyshard collection. It's just flooding campaign for people who genuinely wanna do campaign wars.

So Far I haven't heard one single compelling reason from people who are against this idea, other than how they feel about it.

DocDova wrote: »

It's also not against PvP enthusiast, Every campaign allow a fix max number of players. Imagine half players of a fraction are just there to do regular PvE stuff, farming, skyshard collection. It's just flooding campaign for people who genuinely wanna do campaign wars.

So Far I haven't heard one single compelling reason from people who are against this idea, other than how they feel about it.

well, it wouldn't be fair to award Tel Var Stones, and the Skin and the Scamp and the PvP sets, as those are awarded to folks who can manage to defeat monsters while still watching their backs. i think that's been agreed upon.

so then, is it worth it to designate an entire other server (6, actually) for people who don't want to play the DLC as it was designed? i haven't done those quests either, but i know people who just bang them out repeatedly, without feeling particularly challenged. if you take away the unpredictability from objectives designed with unpredictability in mind, isn't that just going to be boring? it would feel like a public dungeon, right? is that worth setting aside 6 servers and betraying the designers' vision? it doesn't seem like it to me.



edited because typing on a tablet is dumb