Tell us when Crown Crates are being released (Announced)

Kendaric · November 2016

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I cant help but wonder just how many forum posters that have said not buying crates will actually stick to it lol.

I can only speak for myself, but I won't buy them.
Could my stance change? Yes, but not likely... ZOS would have to change the scam crates drastically from how they were on PTS. I have the costumes & mounts I want, I'd probably have bought the blackmane lion if it were up for direct purchase.

Tandor · November 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

Tell us when Crown Crates are being released

(For the record: I'd like them never to happen. I just cannot stand the anxious feeling of not knowing when to expect them.)

LEL
i'll cut my weener and drop it in the sea if you wont buy 100 crates 1 month after crates release

And I guarantee a month from now you'll be deep sea diving in search of your manhood to try and get it reattached.

That may be the best comment I've ever seen on this forum.

I second this. I won't do it. I will not. And some people really ought to be careful what assumptions and guarantees they throw out on a forum.

I am not in any way attracted to the Crown Crates at all. Even if the return rate was higher - much higher - I wouldn't waste my RL money on them. They are solely designed to get your money. That's it. There is no artistic development, there's no story, there's no design, it's just a garbage way to get your money.

But the number of people who think crown crates are a good idea makes me wonder how much longer I'll be playing this game.

A lot of the players who do buy the crates won't be wasting their RL money on them either. Subscribers get a lot of crowns and nothing much to spend them on given that they also get the DLCs thrown in. For some of them the crates may be a fun way of using some of those crowns.

Elsonso · November 2016

MasterSpatula wrote: »

To everyone who thinks they're going to punish ZOS for the Crown Crates by canceling their sub or otherwise stop spending money, I beg you to reconsider. Doing this will only increase the percentage of ZOS' income that come from the gamble boxes, which will only speed up the deterioration of the game that they will create.

I'd like to get several more months of enjoyment out of the game before it becomes nothing but a skin for gambling. If the only thing that makes them money is the Crates, that sad day is going to occur much sooner.

If you love the game but know what Crown Crates mean for it, please continue supporting the game in other ways. It's the only thing that might offset the damage.

ZOS is not a charity. ZOS does not just get me to spend money on them just because they need revenue, or even just to keep the game afloat. They actually have to provide something for the money that I give them, and I have to have a reason to spend that money with them.

Without even considering Crown Crates, there is less reason for me to spend money with ESO today than there was just 6 months ago. One Tamriel degraded my enjoyment of the game rather unexpectedly. I have a number of alts, and now they all feel the same. This is made worse by my perception that my low level alts are actually more powerful feeling than my Level 50 ones. It is rather confusing, actually, since my feeling is that the game is, overall, much easier.

My number one fun thing to just idly do in the game is farming and selling various materials. Now that all of the harvest nodes are the same, things are getting more and more boring. Yeah, I can go to different zones, and the scenery is different, but it is the same ore, the same wood, and the same plants.

Even when I do dungeons, dolmens, delves, and go on monster hunting sprees, it all feels the same. The monsters have different names and I might be killing wolves here, and imps over there, but they all feel the same.

One Tamriel allows me the freedom to go where I want, something that should have been in the game from the start, but it is a BORING WORLD. I don't know if I have it in me to wait the 1-2 years for them to come back and fix it.

Now that Crown Crates are here, we will see what they do. I expect that the "good stuff" will be in the Crates and whatever is left for direct purchase will be the crumbs, with the occasional premium nibble to give us hope. So, character customization is also about to be ramped up to a whole new level of BORING, too. I will have less reason to spend money here, which frees up funds for other games.

My outlook for 2017 is that I will be spending at least 25% less on ESO. I am looking for something else to spend that money on.

BuddyAces · November 2016

Kendaric wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I cant help but wonder just how many forum posters that have said not buying crates will actually stick to it lol.

I can only speak for myself, but I won't buy them.
Could my stance change? Yes, but not likely... ZOS would have to change the scam crates drastically from how they were on PTS. I have the costumes & mounts I want, I'd probably have bought the blackmane lion if it were up for direct purchase.

Same boat. I've bought them in other games until I realized that the money I was spending wasn't going back into the game to make it better. Won't ever buy them again. Learned me a lesson. Now if we suddenly got to see new devs being hired to work on the game and more stuff in expansions...basically the exact OPPOSITE of every other game I'll change my tune and praise this company over doing an awesome thing. I really wish I could praise them. Love this game to death (haha that wording).

nimander99 · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.

/fail

Hermod · November 2016

I'm more than happy direct purchasing all the mounts and gear, but if they are only in the crates.

I will be voting with my wallet, and not the the way Zenimax will like.

Vrienda · November 2016

Yeah... I won't be getting these crates. As cool as the mounts are I don't want to have to wade through hundreds of soul gems, xp Scrolls and poisons to get to them.

Abeille · November 2016

Osteos wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I like how people assume items would be sold normally if it weren't for the crates. Here's the thing, they wouldn't exist at all if there wasn't crates.

So the crates are actually sentient beings that developed these mounts and costumes? The crates existence is necessary for cosmetic items to make it into the game from here on out? Good God it's worse than I thought!

I actually agree that the themed cosmetics were made for the crates and wouldn't be introduced if not for them.

But regular recolors of existing mounts that have nothing to do with the theme of the crates but are still exclusive to them, like the Red Pit Wolf and the Black Mane Lion? No, I disagree, these could easily be sold directly if it wasn't for the crates like the many recolors before them.

That is what annoyed me about them. If it was just the themed mounts then fine, but the Red Pit Wolf and other re-skinned mounts and pets should be available to buy along with being available in the crates. That way you could spend your money upfront or try your luck. That is what they lead us to believe when they first announced the crates, that only the themed items were exclusive.

As for the rest, I find it a bit funny that swtor is used as an example of how bad the crates are for a game. I played swtor after it went free 2 play, it was already considered a "dead" game then, which it wasn't. There were tons of people playing. I played for about a year and became a subscriber for most of it before I left for this game. I went back to play some of the expansion with the new empire and guess what? There are still tons of people playing. I played the first 6 or 8 chapters I cant remember now and left again. I think the rest of the story is now released so I have to return to finish and I bet there will still be tons of people playing this supposed dead game. I have also heard that eso is a dead game, often on this very forum. So pardon me if I don't herald your doom and gloom.

Also- I didn't buy any crates

It's okay, I'm glad that some people can stay positive in such situation. It is kinda heartwarming, even, and makes me want to give you a hug :P

I do not expect the game to die, I expect that the things I enjoy about it will suffer (the story, the new lands, the quests, the characters) because they need more investment to be made than Crown Crate cosmetics do, with a smaller return. I imagine we have very distinct opinions on what a "ruined" game looks like, taking by your experience with SWTOR. And you know what? I'm glad there are people who can enjoy things that I can't. I'm just kinda sad because I want to keep enjoying this thing that I am enjoying right now, which is ESO, and if they keep going this route they are going to make it very hard for me to keep enjoying it.

IrishGirlGamer · November 2016

MasterSpatula wrote: »

To everyone who thinks they're going to punish ZOS for the Crown Crates by canceling their sub or otherwise stop spending money, I beg you to reconsider. Doing this will only increase the percentage of ZOS' income that come from the gamble boxes, which will only speed up the deterioration of the game that they will create.

I'd like to get several more months of enjoyment out of the game before it becomes nothing but a skin for gambling. If the only thing that makes them money is the Crates, that sad day is going to occur much sooner.

If you love the game but know what Crown Crates mean for it, please continue supporting the game in other ways. It's the only thing that might offset the damage.

I disagree. If this decision has been made, nothing is going to stop it.

Fallout Shelter has the same dynamic. So do dozens of other MMOs and app games. Once implemented, there is no reason for them to stop it. None. I promise you, somewhere at Zenimax there is someone reading this thread saying, "So what? Let them leave. We'll make up the profit in Crate Crates. And if they stay, well that's just more money for us."

I love the game. But I feel as if I've done my part for over two years. I bought the game for $80, my sub has never been canceled (even though I threatened once). But I can see the day in the near future where I would just walk away.

I bought this game because I love The Elder Scrolls. This game just isn't about that any longer, if it ever really was.

nine9six · November 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote:

I bought this game because I love The Elder Scrolls. This game just isn't about that any longer, if it ever really was.

Amen.

Elsonso · November 2016

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

One thing I'm worried about is how they are going to advertise these crates, I don't want to have some notification pop-up everytime I log into the game. I hope they don't try and shove these crates down our throats, I want to ignore their existence and not all of us have as strong willpower as others.

Does it matter? I already seem to get these Crown pop-ups every other day that I log in. I constantly see them. I am thinking of installing an add-on to disable them.

I don't expect them to do announcements server-wide that @BOB has just found an APEX MOUNT in his GLORIOUS CROWN CRATE. I do think doing this was discussed at the highest levels, though.

Abeille wrote: »

I do not expect the game to die, I expect that the things I enjoy about it will suffer (the story, the new lands, the quests, the characters) because they need more investment to be made than Crown Crate cosmetics do, with a smaller return. I imagine we have very distinct opinions on what a "ruined" game looks like, taking by your experience with SWTOR. And you know what? I'm glad there are people who can enjoy things that I can't. I'm just kinda sad because I want to keep enjoying this thing that I am enjoying right now, which is ESO, and if they keep going this route they are going to make it very hard for me to keep enjoying it.

Yup. Exactly.

Recremen · November 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I just want the opportunity to directly purchase things I like in the crown store at a reasonable price. Throwing gobs of cash for a chance at that item seems stupid. I don't go to the store for milk and throw a fiver at the clerk, hoping he doesn't come back with bread. Then when he does come back with bread, keep throwing money at him until he returns with milk. Scam boxes are for children, put a price on the item and stick it in the store you lames.

You could as easily make a reverse analogy in relation to going into a casino and not expecting any certainty in what you come out with. The fact is that in the outside world there's room for both the store that sells you the certainty of some milk and a casino that sells you the chance of a win. Games are no different, there's room for both certain purchases and the chance to win something. It's how it's done in practice, rather than the principle of doing it at all, that's the real issue in my view.

There's only room for that if it's something the community actually wants, and at the very least the sign on the forums is that we don't. So unless you have reason to believe that the forums are somehow not a representative sample of the game's population, we can conclude that the community does indeed revile the gambling boxes.

There's no tangible evidence either way as to how representative the forums are of the playerbase as a whole, although it's reasonable to suppose that those who feel most strongly about something will post about it, and those who don't will not.

You need to have a game account to post on the forums, so we know that the populace of the forums is made up of members of this game's community. Therefore any polls, study of aggregate posts, etc. can be assumed to be representative outside of some other factor. Even if we assume your claim (?) that the posts are skewed, poll results won't be. There have been numerous polls on the matter, all pointing to an unqualified rejection of gambling boxes. The obvious conclusion is that players, in fact, do not want these in the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno · November 2016

Slurg wrote: »

I would much rather see the December crown store showcase than an article about crown crates tomorrow. If there are not nice things available to buy for direct purchase anymore because they all go into the crown crates I'm going to be spending a lot less in this game.

We're still planning to publish the December Crown Store Showcase this week (likely on Wednesday); it will be a separate article, though.

Tandor · November 2016

Recremen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I just want the opportunity to directly purchase things I like in the crown store at a reasonable price. Throwing gobs of cash for a chance at that item seems stupid. I don't go to the store for milk and throw a fiver at the clerk, hoping he doesn't come back with bread. Then when he does come back with bread, keep throwing money at him until he returns with milk. Scam boxes are for children, put a price on the item and stick it in the store you lames.

You could as easily make a reverse analogy in relation to going into a casino and not expecting any certainty in what you come out with. The fact is that in the outside world there's room for both the store that sells you the certainty of some milk and a casino that sells you the chance of a win. Games are no different, there's room for both certain purchases and the chance to win something. It's how it's done in practice, rather than the principle of doing it at all, that's the real issue in my view.

There's only room for that if it's something the community actually wants, and at the very least the sign on the forums is that we don't. So unless you have reason to believe that the forums are somehow not a representative sample of the game's population, we can conclude that the community does indeed revile the gambling boxes.

There's no tangible evidence either way as to how representative the forums are of the playerbase as a whole, although it's reasonable to suppose that those who feel most strongly about something will post about it, and those who don't will not.

You need to have a game account to post on the forums, so we know that the populace of the forums is made up of members of this game's community. Therefore any polls, study of aggregate posts, etc. can be assumed to be representative outside of some other factor. Even if we assume your claim (?) that the posts are skewed, poll results won't be. There have been numerous polls on the matter, all pointing to an unqualified rejection of gambling boxes. The obvious conclusion is that players, in fact, do not want these in the game.

The difference between us is that I made a reasonable supposition that the posts were skewed, you made a claim that poll results wouldn't be.

Niaver · November 2016

Tandor wrote: »

I guess it wasn't worth your mentioning One Tamriel. You can't just judge a developer solely on when he adds a new zone, any more than you can judge him solely on whether he adds crates to the game. However, if the game isn't advancing enough or in the right direction for you then there are plenty of others out there that may suit, including some that add new zones every few years !

They wanted to make One Tamriel even before release, so that's how long it took for them.

JKorr · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

I would much rather see the December crown store showcase than an article about crown crates tomorrow. If there are not nice things available to buy for direct purchase anymore because they all go into the crown crates I'm going to be spending a lot less in this game.

We're still planning to publish the December Crown Store Showcase this week (likely on Wednesday); it will be a separate article, though.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Not much enthusiasm on my part at this point. Sorry Gina. Knowing that items will be exclusive to the scamboxes kinda kills the interest. If its something that I was interested in like the black mane lion, chances are good it will be in the gamble crates. Ice wolf? Red wolf? Not much point in rushing to read the articles.

SickDuck · November 2016

Please don't release crates or anything in CS.

Please revert to mandatory subscription model with increased cost.

That would drastically increase the quality of the player base.

Maotti · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.

The day ESO dies this is.

Tryxus · November 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

Please don't release crates or anything in CS.

Please revert to mandatory subscription model with increased cost.

That would drastically increase the quality of the player base.

As well as decrease the quantity, both bad and good

Abeille · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

I would much rather see the December crown store showcase than an article about crown crates tomorrow. If there are not nice things available to buy for direct purchase anymore because they all go into the crown crates I'm going to be spending a lot less in this game.

We're still planning to publish the December Crown Store Showcase this week (likely on Wednesday); it will be a separate article, though.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you give us any information regarding the changes made to the Crown Crates since they were tested on the PTS?

I know you probably can't but it was worth a try...

Mazio · November 2016

Osteos wrote: »

As for the rest, I find it a bit funny that swtor is used as an example of how bad the crates are for a game. I played swtor after it went free 2 play, it was already considered a "dead" game then, which it wasn't. There were tons of people playing. I played for about a year and became a subscriber for most of it before I left for this game. I went back to play some of the expansion with the new empire and guess what? There are still tons of people playing. I played the first 6 or 8 chapters I cant remember now and left again. I think the rest of the story is now released so I have to return to finish and I bet there will still be tons of people playing this supposed dead game. I have also heard that eso is a dead game, often on this very forum. So pardon me if I don't herald your doom and gloom.

Also- I didn't buy any crates

I never said it was dead, SWTOR is far from dead. What I did say however, was that the focus shifted massively after the release of the cartel crates. I played the game from release till around the beginning of this year so I've experienced pre and post f2p. Operation (raid/trials) and group content development dropped to a snails pace after, and I believe we are now approaching 2 years since the last new operations? And that's despite them promising we'd never have to wait as long as we did between Oricon operations and the Revan ones again.
Now, I understand plenty of people still play and enjoy the more single player story focus of SWTOR, and look forward to the cartel pack monthly releases. Nothing wrong with that. Never mentioned 'doom and gloom' over either game, so don't twist what I said please.

What I did say I was worried about was the attention shift that happens every time a game releases gamble packages on their respective stores. Mainly because I don't know exactly what direction it will head in. And it DOES happen, if you like to admit it or not.

As a side note, I will continue playing ESO, I have nothing against people spending as they wish (I buy a fair bit myself) and I certainly do not predict the death of ESO any time soon. I have all my digits crossed that ZOS can somehow pull off what almost no one has so far, and that is both supply enough new content in packs to keep spenders/collectors and their own money men happy long term AND continue with sizable expansion and updates for the game itself. I just fear they won't be able despite best intentions.

Sallington · November 2016

I'm looking forward to completely ignoring them, and seeing who throws hundreds of dollars at ZOS for crowns.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

I would much rather see the December crown store showcase than an article about crown crates tomorrow. If there are not nice things available to buy for direct purchase anymore because they all go into the crown crates I'm going to be spending a lot less in this game.

We're still planning to publish the December Crown Store Showcase this week (likely on Wednesday); it will be a separate article, though.

That is to bad It would at least mute some of the noise that is sure to come if on day one. You could point at things to come in the store, and say see we are stilll making quality items for direct purchase in the store.

On the flip side if that isnt the case, I suppose it is best if you dont do them at the same time.

MissBizz · November 2016

Well, this sucks.

I guess I don't have much to say. I've said it over and over and over again.. in these forums and through the videos I put on youtube that I didn't even want to do after day 2 since I was so disgusted with them.

ItsGlaive · November 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

I like how people assume items would be sold normally if it weren't for the crates. Here's the thing, they wouldn't exist at all if there wasn't crates.

I'd love to hear more on the logic behind that statement, seeing as they've a fully stocked crown store already.

Darkstorne · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.

Final Fantasy XV is out tomorrow, so I'll be back next week to see how much of a meltdown this causes

That said, if exclusive items are available ONLY through gambling crates, and not via individual crown store purchase like they are right now, I'll be moving on to FFXIV or Destiny for my MMO fix. Can't support such disgustingly anti-playerbase additions.

prettynink · November 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

prettynink wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

prettynink wrote: »

Who's ducking out? Are you ducking out? The 1st of Dec huh, what leads you to think that?

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Hopefully never ever but if you're looking to duck out before , I think it's around the 1st of December .

Cazzy does not want to be here for it . Her thread , basic post goes to the op . Standard forums reply etiquette .

oh ok I see thanks for clearing that up for me, but why @cazzy do you not want to be here if or when they release?

It is a cash grab especially since they won't publish the drop rates or say how they are planning to make them "more appealing". The worst part is that all new cosmetics may end up being RNG lockbox only and may lead to P2W items included like many MMOs went when they added that stuff.

I see, well as much as I don't like these I don't think they are worth me not playing with all the good people I have come to know. I can maybe only speculate. if @cazzy feels the same. Or anyone else for that matter?

lonewolf26 · November 2016

RIP ESO

mb10 · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.

Shameful decision. Sold your souls for money.

I dont mind new items but selling the old "limited time" items is just disgusting

BuddyAces · November 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

To everyone who thinks they're going to punish ZOS for the Crown Crates by canceling their sub or otherwise stop spending money, I beg you to reconsider. Doing this will only increase the percentage of ZOS' income that come from the gamble boxes, which will only speed up the deterioration of the game that they will create.

I'd like to get several more months of enjoyment out of the game before it becomes nothing but a skin for gambling. If the only thing that makes them money is the Crates, that sad day is going to occur much sooner.

If you love the game but know what Crown Crates mean for it, please continue supporting the game in other ways. It's the only thing that might offset the damage.

I disagree. If this decision has been made, nothing is going to stop it.

Fallout Shelter has the same dynamic. So do dozens of other MMOs and app games. Once implemented, there is no reason for them to stop it. None. I promise you, somewhere at Zenimax there is someone reading this thread saying, "So what? Let them leave. We'll make up the profit in Crate Crates. And if they stay, well that's just more money for us."

I love the game. But I feel as if I've done my part for over two years. I bought the game for $80, my sub has never been canceled (even though I threatened once). But I can see the day in the near future where I would just walk away.

I bought this game because I love The Elder Scrolls. This game just isn't about that any longer, if it ever really was.

So much this. They know that crown crates bring in a massive influx of cash when released so the few subs here that are actually going to quit or have already quit make no difference to ZOS because they know what the potential is for crown crates. Now, one year down the line is when the burn is going to set in. When suddenly the people leaving/have left are so many that the loss of revenue is so much. I can't believe people in charge of a company can be this stupid. You can't tell me that this game is hurting financially. So that basically means the execs want some fast cash and are not concerned with the future of this game past the short time frame where these things shine.