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Red Mountain new stam dps meta?

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UPDATE 12.08.16

After hours of bashing, insulting, flaming, proccing, dmg dealing, boasting, calculating, failing, assuming, and claiming.

Here is the most probable result, and it is kind of a draw between Twice Born Star and Red Mountain

Twice Born Star: Probably still the king of total max dps output in static fights with buffs. Better in veteran Trials and situations where u pull 40k+ dps. Should do a few more % dps when ur at 100k ish AOE too.

Red Mountain: Probably better in all other situations where your current dps is below 40k, or when you are unbuffed. Also good burst potential if you proc. The more you struggle in a battle, the more this set shines. (vDSA, vMSA, Dungeons) Note: To be effective with the set you need rapid strikes, endless hail and keep dots on targets. Or else your proc rate will vary a LOT.

Viper: Don't really know what to say here but in PvE this set is pretty fkn bad. I regret ever buying it for testing (200k gone).

It is nearly impossible to calculate the difference between the two though cause Red Mountain has a proc.

What's important to point out is that Red Mountain proc isn't much of a gamble. If you don't proc Red Mountain will pull ~7-10% less dps than Twice Born Star. Average you are looking at a ~1-3% more dmg cause of the proc in various situations. Theoretically, depending on the situation, you can achieve at least ~20% more damage within 10 seconds from Red Mountain compared to Twice Born Star if you are very lucky. That said, with buffs up Twice Born Star could probably close a bit of this pretty huge dps gap.

In the end it is up to you which set you wanna wear, because they both seem to have a purpose in this game :)
Edited by LEGENDARYYY on August 13, 2016 2:32PM
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    Pink red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    It's because it's pink,isn't it?
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Pink red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    It's because it's pink,isn't it?

    What? Read again, Im saying pink red mountain is better than legendary TBS from the looks of it.
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Pink red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    It's because it's pink,isn't it?

    What? Read again, Im saying pink red mountain is better than legendary TBS from the looks of it.

    You mean purple / elegant lining quality?
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    Pink red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    It's because it's pink,isn't it?

    What? Read again, Im saying pink red mountain is better than legendary TBS from the looks of it.

    You mean purple / elegant lining quality?

    Yes lol sry purple ofc. Edited main post
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  • raasdal
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    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    raasdal wrote: »
    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?

    Edited to avoid confusion. Correct answer is ~2 sec cooldown.
    Edited by LEGENDARYYY on August 7, 2016 6:24PM
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    raasdal wrote: »
    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?

    There is no cooldown

    It's 2s.
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    raasdal wrote: »
    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?

    There is no cooldown

    It's 2s.

    (removed to avoid confusion)
    Edited by LEGENDARYYY on August 7, 2016 6:25PM
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    raasdal wrote: »
    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?

    There is no cooldown

    It's 2s.

    Im certain I procced several times at once against big group of mobs? Are u certain its 2s cd? And is that cd per mob perhaps?

    Has ps4 even gotten the update yet?? Patch notes tell me u havent

    I will do further testing after work
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    raasdal wrote: »
    What is the cooldown on Red Mountain?

    There is no cooldown

    It's 2s.

    Im certain I procced several times at once against big group of mobs? Are u certain its 2s cd? And is that cd per mob perhaps?

    Has ps4 even gotten the update yet?? Patch notes tell me u havent

    The post-patch red mountain has a 2 sec CD. From the 2.5.5 patch notes:
    Coat of the Red Mountain: Significantly increased this item set’s Flame Damage proc, but it can now only occur once every 2 seconds. In addition, this item set’s 3-piece bonus now grants Max Stamina instead of Spell Damage.
  • Alcast
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    PURPLE red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    I tested the set once in a PTS raid and it gave me only like 1,5k dps. Yet that was before they changed and "fixed" it.
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Alcast wrote: »
    PURPLE red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    I tested the set once in a PTS raid and it gave me only like 1,5k dps. Yet that was before they changed and "fixed" it.

    Test it now mate. Procs on dots from poison inject, volley, rendering + it crits. In my eco build it crits 12,5k on normal mobs. Maxed build probably 15-16k I guess. Seemingly no CD
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    Alcast wrote: »
    PURPLE red Mountain set with two pieces well-fitted and sturdy seemingly gives me 3k+ dps increase single target and 10k+ dps increase AOE compared to my legendary twice born star set with thief and shadow mundus. Can anyone confirm this?

    I tested the set once in a PTS raid and it gave me only like 1,5k dps. Yet that was before they changed and "fixed" it.

    Test it now mate. Procs on dots from poison inject, volley, rendering + it crits. In my eco build it crits 12,5k on normal mobs. Maxed build probably 15-16k I guess. Seemingly no CD

    Okay, ye I still cant rly raid for another 1,5weeks so I will ask my buddies.
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  • Trublz
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    The first two traits are still weapon and spell dmg are they not? Jw
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  • Darlon
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    No, spell damage has been replaced by max stamina
    Edited by Darlon on August 5, 2016 4:02PM
  • Aspi90
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    What does the 5 set piece bonus say how much damage it deals? Can´t find an updated picture of this set.
  • LEGENDARYYY
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    No. It gives wep dmg, wep crit and max stamina. Dont remember order. Will post screenshot when I get home in a few hours
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  • Trublz
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    Ooo very nice. That is interesting. I'm going to have to test this out as well if that's the case. Thanks for the info
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    Does it come in weapons/jewelry now?

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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Flak wrote: »
    Does it come in weapons/jewelry now?

    Yep. Legendary jewelry too
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  • Nifty2g
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    Highly doubtful as the proc is elemental damage not poison or physical.
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Highly doubtful as the proc is elemental damage not poison or physical.

    Doesnt matter if it procs all the time, on multiple targets, dots, can crit hit for about 15k. Nothing in this game has a better proc rate from the looks of it. Even if the proc effect is weaker than say viper, it can proc an unlimited amount of more times depending on how many mobs. I have yet to test if it procs on bleed from axes dw tho. Will do tonight.

    I have to do further testing when it comes to cd aswell cus I didnt have much time yesterday.
    Edited by LEGENDARYYY on August 5, 2016 4:36PM
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    2 items: adds 124 weap dmg
    3 items: 933 max Stam
    4 items: 664 weap crit
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    Edited by Trublz on August 5, 2016 4:30PM
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    What setting was this tested in?

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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    What setting was this tested in?

    vMA?
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    Didnt have time to test it thoroughly yesterday. I killed zombies in alikr and did a quick silver before I had to go to bed. Zombies are vulnerable to flame dmg so that was an insane difference in dps compared to tbs. On flame proc I oneshot them with just poison injection for 37k. Tempest island bosses in silver I dno much about but while I ran the dungeon I had higher dps than I ever had with tbs.

    Needs to be tested on trial bosses with resistance etc ofc to make sure its as good as it looks.
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    I've looked everywhere for the RM jewlery and no luck : /
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Trublz wrote: »
    I've looked everywhere for the RM jewlery and no luck : /

    I sell in Pact Veteran Trade guild store Craglorn EU server.

    BTW, did more testing, updated main forum post.

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  • leepalmer95
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    Trublz wrote: »
    I've looked everywhere for the RM jewlery and no luck : /

    I sell in Pact Veteran Trade guild store Craglorn EU server.

    BTW, did more testing, updated main forum post.

    If your going to test it, test it against something that matter and actually has armour
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  • LEGENDARYYY
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    Trublz wrote: »
    I've looked everywhere for the RM jewlery and no luck : /

    I sell in Pact Veteran Trade guild store Craglorn EU server.

    BTW, did more testing, updated main forum post.

    If your going to test it, test it against something that matter and actually has armour

    was just testing the cooldown, running hel ra normal now
    Edited by LEGENDARYYY on August 5, 2016 8:29PM
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    EP - Redguard - Jathod Trearan - Stamina DK DD
    EP - Redgaurd - Dhenus Okzhat-Si - Stamina Sorcerer DD (vMSA toon, 569K)
    EP - Altmer - Haqsin - Magicka Sorc DD
    EP - Altmer - Minia Feaine - Templar Healer

    + about 20 deleted alts

    GM of Pact Veteran Trade (Craglorn), Traders of the Ebonheart (Mournhold), Pact Veteran Trade II (Mournhold)

    All part of the "Akatosh Imperium".

    Want competitive Cyrodiil? Support THIS thread.

    Me soloing Veteran Elden Hollow and AA: HERE
  • Waffennacht
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    But, but...

    That's a pretty beefy buff it got...

    where the .... are my buffed magicka sets... ?

    It looks pretty good..
    Kinda displeased I got rid of all mine already...
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
    1300+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er

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