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Auction house is a must!
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jesterstear✭✭✭Auction Houses don't cause issues with gold sellers, what causes problems with gold sellers is non-boa endgame gear, which causes a market for huge amounts of gold. Keep guilds for the purpose of group play and socialising, not for something that should be organic to the game itself.
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Khandi✭✭✭My favorite quote to date: "Because the single player ES games didn't have one."
Well my goodness! Really? Was the player base as big as ESO?
Please tell me this was a joke.....Edited by Khandi on May 21, 2014 2:53PMOne should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭methjester wrote: »I guess your snark and sarcasm alarm didn't go off.
Honestly, that was really hard to tell it was sarcasm.
With all the fanatics out there, that post fell square in the middle of crazy, but believable.
Next time use a or 
or /sarcastic It helps a little.If you can find a better reason as to why people don't want a better system than exists now, please enlighten me.
I know why, but if I explained it, I would get banned for using certain words.I blame it on the previous Elder Scrolls games.
Blame ZOS. They tried to reinvent the wheel, so they made them square.I myself would kill for an AH.
A lot of us would. Sadly, most are just leaving the game.My favorite quote to date: "Because the single player ES games didn't have one."
Well my goodness! Really? Was the player base as big as ESO?
Please tell me this was a joke.....
Yes, he said he was being sarcastic. Edited by Blackwidow on May 21, 2014 3:22PM2 -
aleister✭✭✭✭Arguing against an auction house because it might encourage bots is letting the tail wag the dog. If this is the reason why we don't have an auction house, then indeed the bots have won.Edited by aleister on May 21, 2014 3:31PM4
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frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭I have always hated the auction house system. When i saw how ESO wanted to do it tied with Cyrodil, I thought it was a great idea. What I do not see is anyone trying to embrace it. Guilds taking space in Cyrodil and promoting there wears publicly for people to come and buy. The guild having to defend there store where ever they decided to setup shop to keep there own personal economy going. I wonder if that was the thought of the current system but it just wasnt or isnt being done.1 -
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✭✭frwinters_ESO wrote: »I have always hated the auction house system. When i saw how ESO wanted to do it tied with Cyrodil, I thought it was a great idea.
Forcing people to do pvp in Cyrodill is never a good idea.
People either go to Cyrodiil because the love to pvp or they stay out because they hate to pvp.
Forcing players to play a part of the game that they hate is never a good plan.What I do not see is anyone trying to embrace it.
For good reason.
Guild stores suck for many reasons, IMHO. Obviously a lot of people feel the same way.
When people are forced to shout to sell, we are back in the stone ages of MMOs. It is that simple.Edited by Blackwidow on May 21, 2014 4:02PM6 -
No real auction house = ppl quit. It´s that simple!
Some whine here on the forum first, like me, but eventually they just quit.
Yelling in town to sell or buy something, or using some of the worst auction (guild store) system for any new MMO, just irritate me to mush. I want to use my game time hunting, gathering and crafting. With a real auction house I could sell what I have gathered on my journey and don't need, for something I have not found, but need/want.
Haven't played this game for days now. I don't know if I will pick the game up again this weekend, next week, next month or just quit.The wasted time trying to buy or sell something have taken all the joy out of this game for me.
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frwinters_ESO wrote: »I have always hated the auction house system. When i saw how ESO wanted to do it tied with Cyrodil, I thought it was a great idea. What I do not see is anyone trying to embrace it. Guilds taking space in Cyrodil and promoting there wears publicly for people to come and buy. The guild having to defend there store where ever they decided to setup shop to keep there own personal economy going. I wonder if that was the thought of the current system but it just wasnt or isnt being done.
I thought the aim of ESO was to create an MMO that allowed us, the players, to play the game according to our skills, ambitions and most important of all - to have a choice in how we do that.
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So far the choice seems limited. We are forced into large trading "guilds" to trade instead of having a well proven system such as an AH.
And if you are correct we are being forced towards a PvP situation. I'm not a PvPer - though I do enjoy FPS games (CS, CoD, MoH etc.). When I play MMO's I generally enjoy first the PvE/questing then the role playing. Therefore if Zenimax is pushing us all into Cyrodil and PvP then I'm sorry to say I will likely move on once I've completed the questing and storylines.
Pity - the game has a lot of potential
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KaedianEQ✭✭✭jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »The whole guild store system feels clunky to me as does the whole 5 guilds things. You should be able to be in one guild per character, and there should be a faction wide ah. This system is creative but too clunky and malformed in practice.
Yeah, I join a guild to be with and make friends, friends that I would then rather GIVE items to than sell items to. This whole idea of joining a guild in order to have an audience to sell wares to seems counter to the idea of guilds in the first place.
Auction houses work fine in all other games, hiding behind the gold sellers/botters as an excuse to not have one is silly.5 -
jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »The whole guild store system feels clunky to me as does the whole 5 guilds things. You should be able to be in one guild per character, and there should be a faction wide ah. This system is creative but too clunky and malformed in practice.
Yeah, I join a guild to be with and make friends, friends that I would then rather GIVE items to than sell items to. This whole idea of joining a guild in order to have an audience to sell wares to seems counter to the idea of guilds in the first place.
Auction houses work fine in all other games, hiding behind the gold sellers/botters as an excuse to not have one is silly.
I couldn't agree more... having a global auction house doesn't mean the end of guild store..
but guilds are first and foremost a place to meet up with friends have fun with while questing and such... the current system forces you to use several of your "account-based" guilds for the sole purpose of creating a target group.
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This game definitely needs an Auction House and if they want to put one in every major hub of each zone and not have them linked, I'd be totally fine with that. It would be 100000x better than the system they have in place now.
Guild stores was an absolute terrible idea and it was poorly executed. I'm in a guild right now that was created for the sole purpose of being a trading guild. We got to 500 members within the first week and for a couple of weeks the guild was active, with 200+ online at any time. Now, over a month later, the guild is pretty much dead. It still has 500 members but you only see 30-40 people online at any given time. The GM of the guild has been the same level for the past 3 weeks and there's no way to track when someone was last online. No way to remove inactive players or change guild leadership so pretty much the only option is to abandon and find another guild or create your own. It shouldn't be this much of a hassle to sell your stuff. Auction Houses have worked in every MMO I've played and there's a reason why they do. If it ain't broke, then why fix it?2 -
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✭I agreed with the addition of a global AH before, I still stand by that decision !High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !2 -
Hawke✭✭✭✭Well, it has been well over a month since launch, and I for one think the guild stores are fine. A global auction house would just make things more complicated.3 -
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✭alphawolph wrote: »alphawolph wrote: »You realize all those MMOs you mention are not breaking any new ground, right? They are adopting a feature from another MMO that at one point had 13 million subscriptions.
You realize WOW wasn't the first MMO or the first to come up with the idea, right?
I have been playing MMOs since EverQuest launched, so I am aware of what existed and when. I didn't make a statement that WoW was the first. But WoW certainly set the standard for what "Any MMO that wants 13 mill subscribers ought to do." No body cares/remembers who was first, the industry "remembers" who had the highest subscriber base.
If you are going to participate in a constructive debate, you owe the participants the responsibility to read before you respond.0 -
skarvika✭✭✭✭When you only have 5 guild spots, you have to at least admit that guild stores are terribly inconvenient.QQing is a full time job0 -
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✭Nevertheless, I am open to returning to this game if ZOS eventually delivers the staple features that contemporary MMO players want and expect..
Excellent, and there you have it.
A bulk of the gaming pool just can't play an MMO without the crutch of some staple features that dumbed down a lot of other games.Edited by Makkir on May 23, 2014 7:53PM0 -
Well. This is one hell of a thread lol.Technical Artist for Skill Check. Creator of The Legend of Kilgore MMO and Pocket Survival.
Yes..... I can one man an mmorpg dev team :P0 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭besb16_ESO wrote: »No real auction house = ppl quit. It´s that simple!
True.
And just for arguments sake I do want a AH, badly. It is second right behind a good banking system.
However, at this point people are going to quit no matter what they do.
Keep Guild stores = people quit.
Switch to AH system = People quit.
ZOS is lazy, so my best guess is we will see no change anytime soon.
Sorry, I did not mean to be a bummer. Please continue the good fight.2 -
alphawolph✭✭✭jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »The whole guild store system feels clunky to me as does the whole 5 guilds things. You should be able to be in one guild per character, and there should be a faction wide ah. This system is creative but too clunky and malformed in practice.
Yeah, I join a guild to be with and make friends, friends that I would then rather GIVE items to than sell items to. This whole idea of joining a guild in order to have an audience to sell wares to seems counter to the idea of guilds in the first place.
Auction houses work fine in all other games, hiding behind the gold sellers/botters as an excuse to not have one is silly.
This is what bothers me most. Yesterday in one of my trade guild's chat someone apologized for asking a game question in chat because they figured no one would want them talking to them. In a guild! People are scared to talk to each other WTH this is not even close to what guilds should be about.
Take the trading away from our "friends" and put it out for strangers already.
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, it has been well over a month since launch, and I for one think the guild stores are fine. A global auction house would just make things more complicated.
How would a global auction house make things more complicated?
If anything, it would simply the process rather than having to sift through numerous and different guilds stores. That's one of the reasons auction houses are so effective. They streamline the economy and make it easy to buy/sell with others on a mass scale.0 -
Ezrith✭✭✭I don't want an auction house but I dislike the guild stores thing. It penalizes the smaller guilds who cares about player quality not numbers to activate a store. A trade channel is of course needed. Not everyone likes to be in 5 guilds, why should I join a guild just to sell/buy stuff? There should be a bazaar where players can interact without falling into the flaws of an auction house.1 -
Khandi✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »besb16_ESO wrote: »No real auction house = ppl quit. It´s that simple!
True.
And just for arguments sake I do want a AH, badly. It is second right behind a good banking system.
However, at this point people are going to quit no matter what they do.
Keep Guild stores = people quit.
Switch to AH system = People quit.
ZOS is lazy, so my best guess is we will see no change anytime soon.
Sorry, I did not mean to be a bummer. Please continue the good fight.
You aren't being a bummer at all.
What is bringing people down is the fact that this game is tiresome to play.
The trading guilds don't work very well for most people and it certainly hasn't done a damn thing to slow down the gold sellers.
The inventory/bank system is a joke.
There is no good reason not to have a better way to trade than the embarrassment of the trading guilds/kiosks.
I'm sure that I am not the only one that has the feeling that more people are leaving than signing up.
One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.
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faerigirl✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »besb16_ESO wrote: »No real auction house = ppl quit. It´s that simple!
True.
And just for arguments sake I do want a AH, badly. It is second right behind a good banking system.
However, at this point people are going to quit no matter what they do.
Keep Guild stores = people quit.
Switch to AH system = People quit.
ZOS is lazy, so my best guess is we will see no change anytime soon.
Sorry, I did not mean to be a bummer. Please continue the good fight.
You aren't being a bummer at all.
What is bringing people down is the fact that this game is tiresome to play.
The trading guilds don't work very well for most people and it certainly hasn't done a damn thing to slow down the gold sellers.
The inventory/bank system is a joke.
There is no good reason not to have a better way to trade than the embarrassment of the trading guilds/kiosks.
I'm sure that I am not the only one that has the feeling that more people are leaving than signing up.
Every guild I have been in promises that "We are growing!" and none of them actually are
Edited by faerigirl on May 28, 2014 2:27PM0 -
aleister✭✭✭✭At first, I didn't like the guild store system because I thought it was restricting my choice in gear that I could buy. It is, but now I realize there just aren't that many gear choices. If the game didn't have such a poor database of loot, an AH would definitely be a necessity but as it stands, I don't think it is that important because there just isn't that much you can buy.1
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭At first, I didn't like the guild store system because I thought it was restricting my choice in gear that I could buy. It is, but now I realize there just aren't that many gear choices. If the game didn't have such a poor database of loot, an AH would definitely be a necessity but as it stands, I don't think it is that important because there just isn't that much you can buy.
I'm going to have to disagree with you about that. I'm only level 32 - and I've already seen over a dozen different gear sets with interesting and useful set bonuses.
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This game definitely has plenty of loot to sell IMHO. The problem is we just don't have the adequate tools to sell them effectively - so a lot of us just say to hell with it and don't bother.5 -
Nephys✭✭✭"The problem is we just don't have the adequate tools to sell them effectively - so a lot of us just say to hell with it and don't bother."
My view too - I do not bother to trade in the game and nor would I bother with 'guild kiosks' and suchlike. I usually enjoy the trading elements of the games I play but the current system is so diabolical it is not worth the time. The bugs and glitches in the game I can put up with, but the AH/banking system has made playing ESO simply miserable for me. When the low level armour puke palette was brought in I decided that they simply didn't want players like me. So. Waiting for the subs to lapse now.Edited by Nephys on May 28, 2014 3:05PMZoS Ambassadors please do not bother responding to me because I have you on ignore. Your input is neither valued or welcomed.0 -
AinGeal✭✭✭The massive amount of WTB/WTS that fills up zone chat is proof that the guild stores don't satisfy player needs. Even if you are a part of 5 trading guilds, any item you put up for sale has the potential to be seen by only 499 other people and not 2499 other people.
The greater the number of people there are buying and selling, the more competitive the market is. The more competitive the market is, the more fair and efficient it becomes. In other words, the better the social welfare becomes.
I would recommend zone wide trading houses. Create buy and sell orders that are seen by any who talks to a trading house NPC within the same zone. This will be a much wider audience than the current system.
So why not make it faction wide or simply game wide? So the game can have the meta of cross market trading. Not my thing to do but there are others who enjoy it.
Perhaps a better way would be race wide markets. It would make better sense. Take the Ebonheart Pact for example. The Argonians, Nords, and Dark Elves all have their own lands. For lack of a better word, their own kingdom. This would have its own economy. There is even a quest to help a Nord make trades with the Dark Elves.0
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