#BringBackDailies (?)

peacenote · May 30

Hi friends,

I've given myself some time since the initial rollout of Tamriel Tomes, and personally I have found that I miss the daily endeavors more and more. This is for three reasons:

Sometimes I only have a little time to play, so challenges scoped as weekly aren't as satisfying to advance. I would like to see the weeklies supplemented by smaller dailies, like "drink two drinks" so there are some quick hitting things to do.
The weeklies are less conducive to group play, because I don't have the same ones available as my friends. If we all have "kill one world boss" as a quick daily, we're more likely to tackle it together, as opposed to looking at all the weeklies and trying to do something that everyone needs. Which, again, turns them into inconvenient tasks for short play sessions and therefore less satisfying.
The weeklies hardly ever align with "what I'm doing naturally" - especially in a shorter play session. I very rarely, since the rollout of Tamriel Tomes, trigger a bonus accomplishment while running a dungeon or trial, which used to feel quite fun to me. "Yay, I killed 5 ghosts and got my daily done in this dungeon!"

I understand that the dailies were removed because some players felt they were too much of a high pressure daily checklist, although personally I never felt that way. I am curious if anyone else misses the dailies, and if the players who disliked them would still be bothered by them, now, if they were an option in addition to the weekly challenges.

I would be happy with dailies that awarded tome points or small amounts of gold or endeavors, as we had in the past, but I'm also curious if that distinction would matter for anyone now that we have Tamriel Tomes.

For the purposes of this poll, I'm proposing that we all would get the same dailies and that ZOS would be smart and savvy about not sending us all to the same place, making the dailies more generic like "kill one delve boss" as opposed to "kill Polinus in Del's Claim" (which was a pain point for everyone having the same challenges).

So... does anyone else want to see the dailies return in some form? Or is it just me?

Necrotech_Master · May 30

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

i think the biggest issue with the tome tasks for me is that once you max out the tome, there is literally no point in doing them as most of the pts will just be lost to the ether or converted into a rather useless currency like gold

the endeavors were nice because you could be constantly trickling them in to use when you see something thats to your liking and they would always be useful

i certainly wouldnt mind if we had tasks to do that could earn basically ANYTHING useful other than tome pts, or in addition to tome pts, because tome pts by themselves for the tasks are just awful, and provides less incentive to do them at all if you max out the tome, or get all the stuff you wanted from the tome early on (not to mention if your only doing the free track, your guaranteed to be over pts by a lot because you earn far more pts than there is stuff to buy)

LunaFlora · May 30

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

i am happy we do not have Daily Endeavours and Daily Login Rewards anymore.

However we do have a lot of simple Weekly Challenges.
- collect resources, perfect opportunity to do your surveys.
- complete a group dungeon, you can do Fungal Grotto 1 in a few minutes.
And of course there is the Seasonal Challenge that gives you 15 or 17 Tome Points every day for logging in.

OsUfi · May 30

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

No, god, no.

To quote myself from another post:

This game for me was at it's absolute lowest when I returned during an event, with a gold pursuit attached, then had Hero's Return thrown at me, which at the time split into two more golden pursuits, while trying to get event tickets, and having daily and weekly endeavours thrown at me.

I logged in after a year of not playing, really wanting to get back into ESO, was met with "checklist simulator: the game: the move tie in," closed ESO, and didn't return for another year.

The current tome system is awesome as it can be finished at our own pace over three months then ignored.

I will add, I would like to see more variation in the tomes challenges, with some added for different playstyles. Aside from the BG one, which I've had once so far, I haven't seen any other PvP challenges. I imagine there are other players with different playstyles who feel the tome challenges have not aligned with their playstyle. But also, the tome last 3 months, and can really been finished in like 6 weeks? It's no biggie.

AzuraFan · May 30

Other.

I'm kind of on the fence. I can see having some quick hits like the old endeavors. OTOH, I don't miss them.

Especially since, as someone already mentioned, the challenges become irrelevant well before the season ends. Maybe because of that, the quick hits could reward currency.

So there are several options I'd be happy with, or leave things as they are. Though I do think they need to fix the excessive amounts of points available so that challenges don't become pointless weeks before a season ends.

peacenote · May 30

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i think the biggest issue with the tome tasks for me is that once you max out the tome, there is literally no point in doing them as most of the pts will just be lost to the ether or converted into a rather useless currency like gold

the endeavors were nice because you could be constantly trickling them in to use when you see something thats to your liking and they would always be useful

i certainly wouldnt mind if we had tasks to do that could earn basically ANYTHING useful other than tome pts, or in addition to tome pts, because tome pts by themselves for the tasks are just awful, and provides less incentive to do them at all if you max out the tome, or get all the stuff you wanted from the tome early on (not to mention if your only doing the free track, your guaranteed to be over pts by a lot because you earn far more pts than there is stuff to buy)

I think this is a really good point. I will say that I am so VERY far from finishing the tome because of the fact that I used to do bite sized dailies or they happened naturally for me, but now, due to my limited play schedule, most days I don't earn anything for Tome Points besides the daily login reward. I used to get a lot more rewards when the dailies had things I could do without having to go out of my way, like refine materials. I guess another option there would be for the dailies to reward both a few points and a little currency so it could serve as a bridge of something to do for those who finish before it turns over. I definitely didn't think of that.

Totally totally agree on the constantly trickling in and the "always be useful" sentiments.

freespirit · May 30

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

Some of the new challenges are extremely quick to do.

What I like also is the ability to have several of the same challenge and the fact that many of them can be done alongside others to get multiple completions at once!

This week I had weird good luck with my re-rolls, I ended up with 4x Kill 8 Dangerous Enemies, 2 x Complete an Arena and 2 x Kill Shadowy Daedra.

So I did normal Maelstrom, less than 30 minutes(just one arena) and the other two were done, all of them!

SilverBride · May 30

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

I do miss the dailies but would only want them back if they took the place of some on the Tomes challenges. There are so many of those that it's overwhelming.

Necrotech_Master · May 30

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

peacenote wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i think the biggest issue with the tome tasks for me is that once you max out the tome, there is literally no point in doing them as most of the pts will just be lost to the ether or converted into a rather useless currency like gold

the endeavors were nice because you could be constantly trickling them in to use when you see something thats to your liking and they would always be useful

i certainly wouldnt mind if we had tasks to do that could earn basically ANYTHING useful other than tome pts, or in addition to tome pts, because tome pts by themselves for the tasks are just awful, and provides less incentive to do them at all if you max out the tome, or get all the stuff you wanted from the tome early on (not to mention if your only doing the free track, your guaranteed to be over pts by a lot because you earn far more pts than there is stuff to buy)

I think this is a really good point. I will say that I am so VERY far from finishing the tome because of the fact that I used to do bite sized dailies or they happened naturally for me, but now, due to my limited play schedule, most days I don't earn anything for Tome Points besides the daily login reward. I used to get a lot more rewards when the dailies had things I could do without having to go out of my way, like refine materials. I guess another option there would be for the dailies to reward both a few points and a little currency so it could serve as a bridge of something to do for those who finish before it turns over. I definitely didn't think of that.

Totally totally agree on the constantly trickling in and the "always be useful" sentiments.

most of the reason i maxed out early was because i burned a lot of tome pt caches early on lol, so i maxed out the tome by week 3 of the 3 month season cycle lol

from someone who optimized the tome tasks, i would say always reroll harvest tasks as they give the fewest tome pts

it would be much better to get the weeklies for WBs or dungeons, or even trials

a harvest task only gives 60 pts per "clear" up to like 5 or 6 times, where as a dungeon one like "defeat molag kena 1 time" for 100 pts and can be repeated 3 times

so the dungeon one can much more quickly and easily be completed within a shorter timeframe than harvesting

another aspect i took into account is that these are weekly tasks that can be cleared multiple times, so if they are spread out over the week, they would be closer to the same amount as the old endeavors

for example harvesting 15 nodes 6 times, trying to do all 90 harvest in 1 day is a lot but can be done (about equivalent to the old weekly endeavor of harvest 100 times), if you broke it down and did only 15 node harvests per day, you would finish it in 6 days, but the amount of effort per day would be closer to the old daily endeavor (harvest 8-15 material nodes)

the actual effort and pt reward for the harvesting is still awful in comparison to the other tasks, but if you break them down to trying to do 1 completion per day instead of trying to finish ALL completions of each task in a day, it would reduce the time spent on them and work for shorter sessions

could the tasks and tomes be better? absolutely, but in terms of actual effort, they are still roughly equivalent to both old daily and weekly tasks (if you dont try to do all completions of each task in one day)

BretonMage · May 30

Yes, and I would be happy with either Tome Points or Currency as a reward.

As someone who plays every day, I did prefer the daily endeavors but I don't think we'll be going back to the daily system.

My current peeve, like Necrotech said, is that maxing out the tome points early leaves us with no incentive to engage further with the tomes.

I also hate being forced to autoclaim collectibles, so I find myself trying to avoid the challenges now if that makes sense. It's all rather unfortunate.

aetherix8 · May 30

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

Three options for 'yes' but only one for 'no'. As the only 'no' option doesn't reflect my feelings about imposed daily tasks, I won't vote, but I can say that I much prefer ESO without daily login rewards and endeavors. I never "actively disliked" them, but their removal represents for me a huge relief. Every time I log in now, it feels much better that my list of chores is considerably shorter, and it is up to me to decide how I'm going to spend my time. Also, it is easier to take a few days' break whenever I feel like I could use one.

DoofusMax · May 30

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

Mostly "meh" on that question. I really don't miss daily endeavors all that much and Seals aren't directly earnable anymore anyway. If I miss a day or two of logging in during a week, then I spend a bit of extra time catching up on the weekly challenges. Except for on EU toon (I think), bonus pages are unlocked for all and it's mostly just collecting Tome Points to clear out the stuff that I'll get forced into taking with autobuy at the end of the season so I can pick up some petty gold instead (that's an unrelated pain point).

ESO_player123 · May 30

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

While I would not say that I dislike ALL daily challenges, but I definitely do not miss the daily Endeavors and logins. Good riddance! I much prefer the current Tomes system.

Bithabus · May 30

I ran out of tripots

thedocbwarren · May 31

I think it would be nice if we had more to do than grinding and picking flowers. I already have a job.

PhysicsProf · May 31

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

I actually prefer that the tomes get done once I'm maxed out and I don't have to engage with it. I like playing the rest of the game. Do daily dungeons, undaunted, collect sets, PvP, and explore Tamriel with my alts, as I level them up. The tome gets in the way of playing however I want to play.

peacenote · May 31

aetherix8 wrote: »

Three options for 'yes' but only one for 'no'. As the only 'no' option doesn't reflect my feelings about imposed daily tasks, I won't vote, but I can say that I much prefer ESO without daily login rewards and endeavors. I never "actively disliked" them, but their removal represents for me a huge relief. Every time I log in now, it feels much better that my list of chores is considerably shorter, and it is up to me to decide how I'm going to spend my time. Also, it is easier to take a few days' break whenever I feel like I could use one.

I am sorry (truly, no sarcasm here) as I always put in a strong effort to create non-biased polls. The reason for multiple yeses are because there are different implementation choice preferences; there's only one way to not do it which is no, so that is why there is only one choice!

My logic also was this: if ZOS considers adding a largely self-contained feature, there are only two main reasons to be opposed.

The first reason is that the player feels it's a massive waste of development resources and really believe they should not consider it because the game needs other things. I felt that adding dailies would be a minimal amount of dev resources, so I didn't include that as an option. It could just be another tab on the tome.
The second reason is that the existence of the feature cannot be ignored by the player, because they are too much of a completionist, such that its existence bothers them, even if it is completely optional with no special rewards. To me, that means actively dislike but maybe I could have used better wording.

Since you feel relieved that they are gone, there had to be at least a small part of you that DISliked them, if you aren't ambivalent and you didn't enjoy them, so that choice was intended to cover your sentiment.

I am not judging; I'm genuinely just curious if, now that the weeklies easily provide enough Tome Points to complete the Tomes by themselves if one enjoys the weeklies, if the completionists would be less bothered if dailies came back as an additional option for those of us that play differently, or if it would STILL feel like something they HAD to do. Because theoretically, at this point, if there were dailies, you could do the weeklies and I could do the dailies and we could both be content. Not doing the dailies would be the same as skipping a weekly or seasonal challenge. Just another choice as to how you collect your points.

I do understand the other perspective though. There's a feature that bugs me a lot that I can't just "ignore it" because it gives me the ick, and that's romance options with NPCs and companions. I dislike it enough, AND am enough of a completionist that it both weirds me out and makes me feel like I'm missing out on a dialog and story if I just never choose those choices to see what the responses are. I had that problem in SWTOR; I wanted to see what would happen but also found it irritating and tiresome and no fun to be actively romancing all of my companions.

So I would rather it not be in the game; I can't just ignore it while simultaneously disliking it.

Anyway, I am not here to change anyone's mind; I was just genuinely curious. For me personally, there is a huge difference in experience as to how the weekly challenges feel both in overhead (hanging over my head) and satisfaction vs. the dailies. If I can log in for 15 minutes and eat two foods and complete something, it just feels way more fun than if I only have 15 minutes and whatever I do goes towards a challenge but doesn't finish it. Many of them, like the gathering ones, feel like a big slog to me and I preferred the daily scoping and format for them. You know those days where you log in to grab your hireling mails, do writs, and have maybe 3 extra minutes and that's it? Many of my days are those days, so I truly do miss the dailies... but we all different.

AScarlato · May 31

I'm fine without more dailies. I thought I'd miss them, but seeing how tome rewards work I feel like I get pretty much everything just a lot faster if I'm playing.

Plus, I still have the daily to get tome points and all the zone dailies too.

Cooperharley · May 31

Yes, and I would be happy with either Tome Points or Currency as a reward.

I voted yes with either Tome Points or currency, but I think the key word is optional.

I understand why some players are relieved that the old daily checklist is gone. ESO can already feel crowded with events, pursuits, endeavors, tickets, and other rotating tasks, so I would not want dailies to come back as another pressure layer that makes people feel behind for missing a day.

Where I do miss them is the bite-sized structure. A small shared daily like “kill a delve boss,” “complete a world boss,” “harvest a few nodes,” or “finish a Battleground” gives people with short play sessions a clean little objective, and it also gives friends something easy to do together without comparing a bunch of different weekly lists.

So my preference would be to bring back very modest dailies as a supplement to weeklies, not a replacement and not the best/only reward path. Let them be a small bonus for people who enjoy routine, while keeping the Tome system broad enough that players who dislike dailies can safely ignore them.

Alp · May 31

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

Just do one challenge from the tome each day? I prefer being able to do the challenges each week whenever I want.

MRAW · May 31

Yes, and I would be happy with either Tome Points or Currency as a reward.

I have nothing left to do in the game but hard/group content which require an organized group which has to be scheduled and most trifectas seem out of my possibilities.

So the dailies were at least something to do.
The new weeklies are done in an hour and then I have no reason to play on the other days at all.

The game should at least compensate the lack of content with some longtime achievements like the trophy hunter.

Recent · May 31

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

I like the tome system as it is now, however, options for other players that want daily rewards is fine by me. The more happy players the better is my opinion.

driosketch · May 31

Other.

I will admit, once I unlocked all the pages and found I still had about 5,000 points after buying almost everything, I did have a tinge of a feeling of having nothing to do. But that's me being unreasonable. Afterall, I still have a Golden Pursuit and an event to work on. And even counting those moments when I feel directionless, more often I would feel pressured to do things when I was short on time. It led to focusing on the quickest endeavor to get it out of the way. There are other things I can do, and do on my own time schedule.

aetherix8 · June 1

Ambivalent. I haven't missed the dailies but wouldn't mind them existing as an option for others.

peacenote wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

Three options for 'yes' but only one for 'no'. As the only 'no' option doesn't reflect my feelings about imposed daily tasks, I won't vote, but I can say that I much prefer ESO without daily login rewards and endeavors. I never "actively disliked" them, but their removal represents for me a huge relief. Every time I log in now, it feels much better that my list of chores is considerably shorter, and it is up to me to decide how I'm going to spend my time. Also, it is easier to take a few days' break whenever I feel like I could use one.

I am sorry (truly, no sarcasm here) as I always put in a strong effort to create non-biased polls. The reason for multiple yeses are because there are different implementation choice preferences; there's only one way to not do it which is no, so that is why there is only one choice!

My logic also was this: if ZOS considers adding a largely self-contained feature, there are only two main reasons to be opposed.
The first reason is that the player feels it's a massive waste of development resources and really believe they should not consider it because the game needs other things. I felt that adding dailies would be a minimal amount of dev resources, so I didn't include that as an option. It could just be another tab on the tome.

The second reason is that the existence of the feature cannot be ignored by the player, because they are too much of a completionist, such that its existence bothers them, even if it is completely optional with no special rewards. To me, that means actively dislike but maybe I could have used better wording.

Since you feel relieved that they are gone, there had to be at least a small part of you that DISliked them, if you aren't ambivalent and you didn't enjoy them, so that choice was intended to cover your sentiment.

I am not judging; I'm genuinely just curious if, now that the weeklies easily provide enough Tome Points to complete the Tomes by themselves if one enjoys the weeklies, if the completionists would be less bothered if dailies came back as an additional option for those of us that play differently, or if it would STILL feel like something they HAD to do. Because theoretically, at this point, if there were dailies, you could do the weeklies and I could do the dailies and we could both be content. Not doing the dailies would be the same as skipping a weekly or seasonal challenge. Just another choice as to how you collect your points.

I do understand the other perspective though. There's a feature that bugs me a lot that I can't just "ignore it" because it gives me the ick, and that's romance options with NPCs and companions. I dislike it enough, AND am enough of a completionist that it both weirds me out and makes me feel like I'm missing out on a dialog and story if I just never choose those choices to see what the responses are. I had that problem in SWTOR; I wanted to see what would happen but also found it irritating and tiresome and no fun to be actively romancing all of my companions. So I would rather it not be in the game; I can't just ignore it while simultaneously disliking it.

Anyway, I am not here to change anyone's mind; I was just genuinely curious. For me personally, there is a huge difference in experience as to how the weekly challenges feel both in overhead (hanging over my head) and satisfaction vs. the dailies. If I can log in for 15 minutes and eat two foods and complete something, it just feels way more fun than if I only have 15 minutes and whatever I do goes towards a challenge but doesn't finish it. Many of them, like the gathering ones, feel like a big slog to me and I preferred the daily scoping and format for them. You know those days where you log in to grab your hireling mails, do writs, and have maybe 3 extra minutes and that's it? Many of my days are those days, so I truly do miss the dailies... but we all different.

Thank you for providing more context behind your reasoning.

The reason I'm relieved that the daily endeavors are gone is because they were the only source of seals, and I really felt obliged to complete them all, dailies and weeklies. Not because I'm a completionist, but because I'm a hoarder. I rarely missed a daily when actively playing, and over time this whole system became a source of fatigue.

Now, with the Tomes system that gives more points than needed to unlock all non-premium pages and claim all available rewards, I would not feel as compelled to complete each and every one of them, so I guess I wouldn't mind them as an option for others who miss having extra little daily tasks. As long as there are no unique rewards attached to it, I would be fine with it, as I would be able to easily ignore them.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · June 1

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

The new Tomes System is better. I never did the endeavors at all before unless my Guildies asked me to help them with it. I actually do the Tomes and its created fun things for us to do in Guild. The old system was just more farming. On a short time table. Tomes eliminates that.

SeaGtGruff · June 1

I liked the greater variety that the Daily Endeavors which the Tome Challenges are currently missing, such as complete Black Sacraments or Heists, kill vampires, kill void creatures, kill delve bosses, etc. I like the more relaxed deadlines of the Tome Challenges, but right now the challenges themselves would benefit from greater variety.

code65536 · June 1

Other.

Points 2 and 3 are major problems with the new Tome Challenges.

But I don't think that the solution is to bring back dailies.

LootAllTheStuff · June 1

Other.

My biggest complaint with the weeklies is the lack of variety compared to the old dailies. Include some of the missing ones, like crafting/deconstruction, and broader options for WBs ("Kill a WB in a (Faction) zone"), and you'd be getting the best of both worlds. Heck, thow in some outfit and furnishing ones, and expand the PvP options as well, and you'd make a lot of players happy.

Umbracat449 · June 1

Yes, with small amounts of currency like gold or endeavors as a reward.

Glad daily logins are gone, miss the daily endeavors- they were homely and cute- never liked or did the weekly endeavors, and really really really really really really hate the tomes.

Checklists are awful. Is it the only way to get people playing games can think of?

LittleBlueWraith · June 2

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

I have had to go more out of my way to do daily endeavors than I have for most tome tasks. Speaking as someone who hasn't bought the premium tome (and I don't know if I will. Ironically, it's the exploitation of FOMO that's pushing me not to buy it, purely out of spite), I have already bought everything that can be bought and I have well over the carryover cap of 2000. I would need to do the math, but if I had bought the premium tome, I would probably have most if not all of the things I really wanted.

What I really want is a way to convert tome points to seals, and I mean BESIDES buying the limited number of rewards. I don't know what a good conversion rate would be, but the only reason I bothered with the endeavors was to get the seals.

ankeor · June 3

No. I actively dislike daily challenges in any configuration and I'm glad they are gone.

I login to do activities I want to do. Not to complete a list of chores.

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