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Mannimarco LOCKING important game features, AND almost impossible.
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vanderghast✭✭@Zebug: YOU don't see a difference between life and a game?
ONCE MORE, cheese, people are blind of what, THIS forum is NOT about Players helping players. THERE is ANOTHER forum for that purpose. I don't seek, HERE, suggestions about HOW TO pass through the said quest. You can understand that? THIS forum is about CUSTOMER (and I am NOT a customer of yours) support.0 -
GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭@vanderghast, almost all the topics in this forums are players helping other people with customer support issues. Just for info. You cannot dictate how the forum is used.0
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✭✭vanderghast wrote: »As for an airplane being a bad submarine, if you didn't get it yet, you, as human being, are not bad, you are dumb. Yes, that is calling a cat, a cat, and under the name of science and observation, I claim the right to call a dumb, a dumb.
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Oh god I can stop laughing, the cat part is pricelessvanderghast wrote: »As for an airplane being a bad submarine, if you didn't get it yet, you, as human being, are not bad, you are dumb. Yes, that is calling a cat, a cat, and under the name of science and observation, I claim the right to call a dumb, a dumb.
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vanderghast✭✭GossiTheDog wrote: »@vanderghast, almost all the topics in this forums are players helping other people with customer support issues. Just for info. You cannot dictate how the forum is used.
Agree. I don't police this forum, I USED it in what is its dedicated purpose.
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vanderghast✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »
Saying something is not proving it. Your "answers", not mines, prove my point.
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✭✭✭✭✭Look, the simple truth is either you are going to have to learn to fight better, learn some tactics, look stuff up, respec and whatnot or you're not going to beat Mannimarco and Molag Bal and get to the Veteran areas.
You can complain as much as you like, but that is the simple truth of the matter. I came into this game thinking that I would be great at it as I have played many MMO's and all the previous ES titles. I have had to think about my build rather than just putting random points in anywhere. I have thought about fights and tactics. If it's not working for you, again the simple truth is that you are doing something wrong and need to rethink it.
You have people here trying to help you, and all you are doing is shooting them down saying it's your way or not at all. That's not particularly in the MMO spirit either, is it? You complain about solo quests not being in the MMO spirit of helping and grouping, but you are ignoring every single piece of advice given to you on here.
If you are Vet rank 1 and still can not beat him, your build needs some thought.
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!0 -
Zebug✭✭✭ohhh nooooo...I'm almost out of popcorn!!!!!! Please don't reply to this thread anymore until I get some more popcorn, BRB0
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Absinthe✭✭✭vanderghast wrote: »As for an airplane being a bad submarine, if you didn't get it yet, you, as human being, are not bad, you are dumb. Yes, that is calling a cat, a cat, and under the name of science and observation, I claim the right to call a dumb, a dumb.
Pure win.
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Aci✭✭✭We have a guy in our guild and he raged a lot because or hard mainquests. He ignored all of our advices / said he does not want to change anything in his build. He logged off. Two days later he logged on, changed stuff when he was back and guess what? He passed the quests.0 -
McCracken79✭✭✭I don't think the OP is a troll at all. All he wants to do is advance to the VR zones without completing the main quest. I understand that... What you have to understand is that what we are telling you is that the VR zones are no joke.
Trust me, when I fought Mannimarco I couldn't do it. I died at least 8 times before I gave up and came back later. Each boss and location are different and with that said you have to adapt and change your skills around.
You will have some help in the VR zones unless you roll with a group all the time but from my experience thus far (I'm a VR3) it's not as populated as zones 1-49. You will have to fight bosses and mobs alone sometimes they they make Mannimarco look like a scrub.
So to give you my analogy here... You start a new job as a Jr. Programmer at a software company. They give you a project to work on and you do great the first couple weeks. Then you hit a road block and can't complete a major task. Instead of seeking help and doing research you ask to get reassigned to the Senior team cause there's more experienced programmers there that can carry you.
I'm not trying to be an ass... I just want you to understand that your point of view here is wrong.2 -
midnight_tea✭✭✭I have to say that every time I see people complaining like that I am baffled... or at least 75% convinced that this is a trolling attempt (since the first comment, not just now). I mean - you can't expect to be taken seriously when you want to continue with the game without...you know... actually playing it?
I just don't get it - MOST games, MMO or not, have stages that become available to us only when we go through a certain programmed obstacle. It's pretty much the basic concept of gaming.
Consider it a rite of passage. If you can't beat Manni and Molag, you're just not cut for content they unlock (I'm almost VR9 now and hoooo boy... I solo 90-95% of it, but the amount of soul gems I used for rezzing and gold for repairing armor is insane. Even simple mobs can one-shot you and the tactics that worked for one may not work for another, depending what type of foes mob consists of).
Anyway... personally, I just didn't prepare myself for Mannimarco - I didn't expect that main quest stage to be easy, but approached it lazily and just did NOT expect to fight him.
Alas, he killed my 43-ish sorc 2 or 3 times, but tweaking my ability bar and tactics was enough to defeat him. I do know people to whom this fight was much tougher, but they dealt with him eventually.
Also - I did see OP complaining that there's nothing to do if they can't beat Manimmarco.... how about Cyrodiil? There's PvE content there, if PvP is not your cup - so are skyshards and new skill points.
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And that's entirely unsurprising isn't it?people still don't know the shield can be used to great advantage.
During the tutorial the game teaches you that you 'block' an attack when the mob gets the 'white shooting lines' animation .. which is entirely absent when the 'blue sphere' attack happens with Titans and the like.
I'm probably just stupid, but until I read about this tactic I don't think I'd have done that .. it's illogical that a staff could block magic so why would a non-shield user ever consider it?
Yes, it's easy to poke fun at those who don't know something which seems obvious to you, but instead of laughing maybe you should pause to think how you learned it and then realise it's not at all 'obvious'.
I think you maybe mistaking me for someone else. I've tried to help the OP but s/he simply will not listen to reason. The statement you quote is fact and not having a go at anyone, that's why I pointed it out to the OP in my first post. I was a sorc the first time I did MB and I figured it out when fighting the gargoyles on the path to MB. The fact remains that everything is pretty easy in this game but it also can be equally very hard if one doesn't pay attention and adapt. If the OP listened to all the helpful people that's taken their precious time to try to help then s/he would now be on their merry way to MB.0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭vanderghast wrote: »@Babylon Maybe you are right, why would I care, in fact, if I defeated or not the Molag Bal encounter that you have in mind. All what I know is that I end up the sequence of quest about of saving the world from him. If he comes back in another future sequence, I am not aware of it ... and sincerely, I don't mind! If it is really harder than Mannimarco, and only solo-able, I will GLADLY SKIP it!
Because you can't skip it, as you've already realized for Mannimarco. You will have to actually fight him at some point, and if you can't be Mannimarco then Molag Bal is going to wipe the floor with you.
Your whole point in this thread is that the Mannimarco fight is the only thing blocking you from the Vet zones, but the point we are making is that isn't true. The Molag Bal fight will also block you from reaching the Vet zones after you beat Mannimarco. So simply allowing you to skip Mannimarco won't solve your problem.
And even if you could skip both of them, it still wouldn't solve your problem because some trash mobs in the Vet zones are as tough or tougher than Mannimarco. So good luck with that.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭vanderghast wrote: »@KracsNZ: it is not MY job, indeed, I just recall to ESO the commercial promises and commitments they made. And that Mannimarco quest (and any other like) isn't toward their own commitments.
How does that make any sense at all? What commitments did Zenimax make to you in advertising that they are breaking by having difficult challenges in the game you can't overcome??Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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Yankee✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »And even if you could skip both of them, it still wouldn't solve your problem because some trash mobs in the Vet zones are as tough or tougher than Mannimarco. So good luck with that.
lol...ya. Last night in vet Rivenspire I ran into this quest gauntlet of mob trios. Got a group where one teleport strike/stuns you (blanks out skill bar) and the other two just happened to be the ones that throw knives...and they did, both at the same time just as I was stunned. Died instantly because I spaced out and forgot to put Immovable up before getting close to AoE them. That was not the only death yesterday (and not the only time I called myself "you dumba**"). Yet still (slowly) I progress and am still having fun.
Mannimarco is a distant speed bump memory now.
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP - consider this quest natural selection mechanism for the long term health of the game. Only the fit will survive to populate the veteran content. The unfit shall not infect veteran areas.1 -
aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭vanderghast wrote: »@aipex8_ESO: I will explain it one more, just for you: I DON'T CARE if it is harder, if it is another quest, whatever. I will just SKIP it, duh! My point is not about bragging about how good I am.
Sorry, now you just aren't making sense. Molag Bal is a main quest boss, just like Mannimarco. If you can't beat him, you can't get to VR content, just like Mannimcarco. You can't "skip" him. If you are pitching such a huge fit over Mannimarco, how can you say you don't care about Molag Bal. I think you will care if you ever make it there because suddenly you won't be able to UNLOCK content because of a forced solo boss fight that is difficult. Does that compute? It's the same situation you are in now. Mannimarco is NOT the gate keeper to VR content, Molag Bal is.
To those commenting on the hardness of Molag Bal vs Mannimarco. I went in to both fights with zero research on either as far as strategy. I died more times on Molag Bal. Once I figured out how to beat him, yes, he was easier. If I had to do the main quest again, I would be able to beat MB without death.
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KracsNZ✭✭
The fundamental flaw in your argument is that what's 'fun' to you is 'fun' to everyone else.vanderghast wrote: »I never said to make all the quests easy! Can keep the crazy ones optional. But that, you won't play games where you cannot brag about your success? Do you play to enjoy your play, or you play to fill your apparent lack of ack. from the real word?
I'm guessing English must be your second language because your comprehension skill are severely lacking. Either that or you're a troll trying to get a rise out of everyone who disagrees with your point of view. The challenge aspect of a game is the "fun" aspect. Why do you think games like Dark Souls is so popular? If a game is not challenging then it becomes repetitive, monotonous and no longer "fun". Brag about successes? My gawd, get off your bandwagon.
Your comment about Dark Souls (about which I know little but I think I get your reference to it) is obviously valid, but then so is the statement GW2 very popular so clearly people don't want 'hard' content.
New games like FFXIV which demand frequent and regular grouping even just to level up are popular but that doesn't mean equal or even larger numbers are turned off and don't play because of that: I think it fair to say a goor proportion of players of games you probably look down on as 'eZmode' like LOTRO and GW2 wouldn't go anywhere near games that force grouping in that way.
That's the problem so many times on forums like this, people are insular, they only consider what THEY want and how THEY view things and deride anyone else who disagrees .. classically seen in the 'casuals versus hardcore' wars .. and this thread so clearly encapsulates this problem.
Some of the rabid comments hurled at the OP are appalling. Not all who vehemently disagree with him are like that, some are well-argued but some are simply toxic 'you suck, l2p'.
Did you actually read his comment prior to posting the reply to mine? My comment about finding challenging games fun was in reply to him saying I brag about my success and I play for lack of acknowledgement in the real world... Note, I didn't hassle him in regards to his comprehension skills until after that glaring attack.
And as for the rabid comments, the OP has attacked nearly every person who has disagreed with his assertion, even when they have tried to offer constructive comments. Many now view him as a troll because of that, so the level of comments in reply to his have bottomed out. i.e. several commented that Zenimax should allow friend invites for story quest so that it remains hard for those who want the challenge, but allows grouping for those who don't.0
