Mannimarco LOCKING important game features, AND almost impossible.

Baraz

If you mean the level 40 Main Quest, I did it as a level 40 Nightblade.

I died 5 or 6 times, but got the hang it.

COMBAT SPOILER : I used invisibility to avoid some deadly attacks and an AOE to dispatch the damned spirits.

vanderghast

Yes, I did something really, wrong, I don't et 15K gold because I tried too often to do Mannimarco (and had to pay the repairs).

Again, why an airplane HAS TO changed into a SHIP or into a SUB in order to be part of a group called an ARMY? so, is this game an MMO or what?

Sandhya

OP, really? It's no surprise you have trouble with fights such as these, for the simple fact you cannot listen to others and adapt to overcome.

Game difficulty is fine. Challenging at times, I agree, but fine. Fights like the one you mention have already been nerfed into the ground and there was indeed a time these could be called tough fights, or 'impossible' fights as you like to name them. But in todays' state of the game, none of these fights are impossible, and only a very select few are actually still hard.

Also writing words in full caps hardly helps for getting taken seriously.

seneferab16_ESO

wat?

Bromburak

The adds have almost no hp, they can be killed easy with any aoe.
And you exactly know what Mannimarco is doing during the whole fight so you are able to stay out of trouble and use the right moments to beat him up.

Only problem i see in general, that some players don't pay attention to their defence this includes armor and health

If you don't want to spend attribute points for health you should at least equip some armor pieces with health and use armor buffs. There are certain armor buffs in many skill lines even class independent. All those def skills are in the game for a reason!

If you are not able to avoid hard hits you need to take em. Good luck ...

There are certain situations , not only mannimarco in TESO where you MUST deal with bad health drops. If you don't have enough armor or HP buffer you pay a very high price for each hard hit you take or mistake you make.

czar

@vanderghast you have to beat mannimarco to continue. listen to people's advice if you want to beat him. sorry if this game is not the type of mmo you thought it was.

Loxy37

vanderghast wrote: »

@Loxy37: that is a process of intention. And proves that you didn't read my post (or that I am really bad in saying that there is a game flaw by requiring to SOLO a quest in order to unlock important features in an MMO game!)

Well you obviously haven't read the many other post by people trying to help you but you refuse to accept the Mannimarco is pretty easy for most and very soloable for everyone no matter how broke your build is. Just read back to my previous post, on page 1 I think and you will see that people are trying to help you. Drop the attitude and you will get past this fight.

To say that he blocks progress (Because hes too hard) is just wrong and how did you beat Molag Bal and get to Vet level without beating Mannimarco? Please enlighten us all.

ChairGraveyard

The fight isn't hard so much as highly annoying.

Mannimarco is immune to all control effects that I could tell (of course, we're used to that).

In addition to that, he *constantly fires*. Rapid fire ranged attacks, going off constantly during the battle.

The beam attack *has to be interrupted* or you are screwed 100%.

The fact is this fight is poorly set up, it's far more irritating than it is actually hard, for the simple reason that there isn't actually even any tactics needed to learn in order to succeed in the fight.

It's just a straight up, brute force slog fest, and that's pretty much the opposite of the other encounter designs in the game, where there is usually some way to defeat the encounter by thinking it through, and understanding its mechanics (e.g., the Lamia chick with the electricity in the Shadowfen 4-man dungeon).

Mannimarco isn't like that at all. There's nothing to learn except that you want to kill him ASAP, block as much as possible and interrupt his beam attack, and that's it.

Which is boring, because rather than being challenging and rewarding to complete, it's just annoying.

I finished it the first try myself, but it was still annoying. It's not a well designed encounter from a gameplay standpoint.

vanderghast

@Loxy37: How? well, it seems that you have to end the warrior and mage guilds quest. Then, do the east and west parts of Coldharbour with their respective quest ( I don't remember which side has to be done first), which unlock the north part. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Mannimarco quest blocks the veteran context, since you have to speak to Caldwell to do so. It is NOT the quest itself which seems to be a pre-requisite for being Veteran, but which seems to be a pre-requisite to unlock Caldwell "re-action".

czar

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

The beam attack *has to be interrupted* or you are screwed 100%.

i didn't interrupt him at all, it's still possible to kill him.

rdfarley89

In Batman Arkham Origins Deathstroke is damn near impossible to beat and he is one of the early bosses, I love it. ZOS devs please if you read this DO NOT NERF ANY MORE BOSSES!!

Evandus

Perhaps what might work out for you is to spend some time doing some mob farming. Finding mobs that are within 6 levels may limit where you can go. However I believe that is still possible. Doing some mob grinding will allow you to build up gold so you can respec to something you may have an easier time taking down Mannimarco with.

There is also the possibility of getting the gold you need through having an alt you have do some grinding as well.

I truly am having trouble understanding your issue with defeating Mannimarco. And I don't realy feel I can be helpful to you without knowing more details of your build and tactics you are using. I did understand the split you mentioned. But:

1. What spells are you using for attack/defense?
2. Are you using potions/food to boost your stats?
3. Are you using potions to restore lost health from taking damage?
4. Have you considered using a restoration staff? Rapid/Regen, Grand Healing?
5. What type of positioning are you using when attacking? Are you standing in his AOE attacks?
6. Have you invested in Spell Resistance to reduce incoming damage?
7. Are you using gear with the best values you can get for your current level?

These, and other questions come to mind.

Unfortunately I don't agree with the concept of you being able to skip the storyline quest/quests and have immediate acces to what doing them unlocks for you. Perhaps focusing on doing what you can with the build you've chosen and finishing that fight would work out better? I say this because, as I understand it, VR content features mobs/fights that are scaled up significantly. If you are having issues with a lesser mob, it's reasonable to assume that you will have even more trouble with a greater mob. The amount of anger you say you are experiencing will only multiply when you learn that your build cannot perform in VR content. You are asking Zenimax to allow you to ignore an obvious stop check in build and allow you to the next one. This only leads to a reciprocating cycle of complaints about the game being unfair imo.

I've got a gimpy crafter that I'm running through Glenumbra atm. He needs skill points badly. I've been killed by Angof the Gravesinger at least 10 times attempting to beat him. That character has all but 3 skill points devoted to crafting. He's a miserable combatant. It's reasonable and prudent that he should have issues completing higher level content. He's a broken build as far as combatants go. So, what I am saying is it's okay for me to have to scrounge up some gold for better gear. And start investing in offensive/defensive spec as I can. It's not reasonable to expect a free pass because my broken build can't get the job done...

Yankee

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ChairGraveyard wrote: »

The beam attack *has to be interrupted* or you are screwed 100%.

i didn't interrupt him at all, it's still possible to kill him.

I did not either unless by accident with the shards spell. Took all 4 classes through him all at around level 40. The Sorcerer was easiest for me probably because I had done it 3 times before and it had been nerfed since my first time in beta.

I just nuked the crap out of him and since I leveled 1-50 with only a resto staff I had Regeneration up. I used the Overload ultimate to keep magicka up and kill the adds.

Sakiri

Just do what others do.

Have someone else do it for you. If enough people have to have someone else do the fight for them....

seneferab16_ESO

vanderghast wrote: »

@Loxy37: How? well, it seems that you have to end the warrior and mage guilds quest. Then, do the east and west parts of Coldharbour with their respective quest ( I don't remember which side has to be done first), which unlock the north part. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

I'm sorry, but you are in for a nasty little surprice.

Doing the main story quest UNLOCKS the veteran content. Think of it as any other game where you have to beat a boss to progress to the next chapter of the game; it is the same in here.
I don't know where you're coming from, but whatever game that's been spoon feeding you easy access as well as easy content has not done you a favor.

You will beat Mannimarco, and after that you will beat Molag Bal. And you'll come out of this experence as a much better and more skilled player.

Many people here have been giving you advice, maybe you should consider some of it?

vanderghast

@rdfarley89: is it required to SOLO it? Is it limiting you to stay in the said region or limit you to run in circle from that point, in the game? Then, who cares if that boss is near damn impossible to beat? That is NOT the case for Mannimarco. And the developers can simply let Caldwell "speakable" elsewere than exactly after having defeated Mannimarco, to unlock veteran ranks, it is fine with me, I don't care about Mannimarco, himself.

Evandus

By allowing people to skip the any/all of the main story quests and do VR content - it becomes reasonable to assume that many truly broken and non functional builds will be present. Imagine the complaining then...

czar

vanderghast wrote: »

@rdfarley89: is it required to SOLO it? Is it limiting you to stay in the said region or limit you to run in circle from that point, in the game? Then, who cares if that boss is near damn impossible to beat? That is NOT the case for Mannimarco. And the developers can simply let Caldwell "speakable" elsewere than exactly after having defeated Mannimarco, to unlock veteran ranks, it is fine with me, I don't care about Mannimarco, himself.

it won't happen though. it is how it is. beat him or beat it.

Yankee

Evandus wrote: »

By allowing people to skip the any/all of the main story quests and do VR content - it becomes reasonable to assume that many truly broken and non functional builds will be present. Imagine the complaining then...

So easy then, even a bot could get into VR.

Reenlister

ok enough of this..
All this guy is going on about is.

I don't want to have to do this at Point A to get to Point B, and its way to hard for me, so its destroying my game, and I want it to be fixed for me so I can do what I want. Also since I cant do it and I refuse to learn how to do it, I should be able to bring someone with me to do it for me.

Malmai

I went in randomly while questing had my armors pretty damaged (Sorc) and had no problem with it. Build your Sorc properly or LvL up a bit more. Don't know why this whine topics also you have everything on Google or Youtube, use a bit of brains please.

Yankee

Reenlister wrote: »

ok enough of this..
All this guy is going on about is.

I don't want to have to do this at Point A to get to Point B, and its way to hard for me, so its destroying my game, and I want it to be fixed for me so I can do what I want. Also since I cant do it and I refuse to learn how to do it, I should be able to bring someone with me to do it for me.

I somewhat understand why people who run togther in a pair, like spouses, 2 friends, etc and expect to group the whole game want to group the main quests bosses.

It would not be fun for me to get through Mannimarco only to have my good friend (or worse yet, wife) not be able to. In truth, if I could not talk them through it I would just log on the wife/friends account and do the fight for them.

But that does not seem to be what the OP's complaint is all about.

Halrloprillalar

It's not easy, but it's far from 'impossible'.

Many other things in this game are impossible, but Manni isn't one of them.

Reenlister

Yankee wrote: »

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Reenlister wrote: »

ok enough of this..
All this guy is going on about is.

I don't want to have to do this at Point A to get to Point B, and its way to hard for me, so its destroying my game, and I want it to be fixed for me so I can do what I want. Also since I cant do it and I refuse to learn how to do it, I should be able to bring someone with me to do it for me.

I somewhat understand why people who run togther in a pair, like spouses, 2 friends, etc and expect to group the whole game want to group the main quests bosses.

It would not be fun for me to get through Mannimarco only to have my good friend (or worse yet, wife) not be able to. In truth, if I could not talk them through it I would just log on the wife/friends account and do the fight for them.

But that does not seem to be what the OP's complaint is all about.

Correct, this has been in multiple post by this one, that he feels his game is completely ruined because he has to do something that he cannot do at the time.
He is stating that the entire story needs to be broken to being optional so he does not have to do it to progress.
He is also refusing to take any advice on how to do it, or instructions on how to get him through it, instead sticking to its not how I want it, and therefore it must be changed.
In a nutshell, 'it aint what he wants, how he wants, so it is all fubar and needs to be fixed'
As far as the inability to take a group, well, that fits in with the story line, so that's how it is.
But most people that have had problems in the quest line usually ask for help, then listen, and poof, problem solved.
Sadly this is just a case of I cant be messed up, its the game that is and you all are wrong if you don't agree with me and I cant possibly be doing anything wrong its all the games fault.

Columba

No, they should not recode the game for a few players. If you cannot beat this level 40 mob, then you don't belong in veteran areas. Forcing you to skill up is doing both you and the rest of the players a favor.

vanderghast

@Reenlister: "I don't want to have to do this at point A to get at point B" --THAT is the spirit of open game, of "let you explore as you like" publicity made by ESO. There is nothing wrong there, sorry for you.

"and its way to hard for me, so its destroying my game" -- same would be for a airplane trying to play the role of a submarine. If submarine have no problem, nice for them.

"Also since I cant do it and I refuse to learn how to do it, I should be able to bring someone with me to do it for me." -- to bring someone with, is in the spirit of a MMO game. As far as "learning" to do it, while a game can develop some skills, to you, it fails to teach you basic civilities.

Bromburak

Columba wrote: »

No, they should not recode the game for a few players. If you cannot beat this level 40 mob, then you don't belong in veteran areas. Forcing you to skill up is doing both you and the rest of the players a favor.

If he can't handle it with 40 he is coming back with 42 or later, he has easy mode options enough ...

kirnmalidus

Loxy37 wrote: »

To say that he blocks progress (Because hes too hard) is just wrong and how did you beat Molag Bal and get to Vet level without beating Mannimarco? Please enlighten us all.

I don't think he's actually fought Molag Bal in the main quest, he's just done the Coldharbour quest where you watch Molag Bal throw some stuff at you and then go back to the Hollow City.

Reenlister

Civilities I have given you in abundance.
You simply don't like the fact of having to play through a quest line.
You also simply don't like that we all have played it, we all have given you advice, but its not what you want to hear.
The only thing you want is for us to stroke your ego and tell you yes, its way to hard and you should not have to ever follow the story line to ever be able to progress.
Sorry 'bout your luck.

Hymzir

OP - I'm sorry, but your premise is pure nonsense. It's not a design flaw. This is a story based game and it was marketed as such, so no point crying about the fact that it follows a story based structure. And in a story based game you need to beat each chapter to proceed, you can't just decide "Nope, not gonna bother with this bit, is too hard, I'll just skip ahead." You don't have to like this kind of design, it's your right, but it does not in any way invalidate the concept of having to beat the challenges to proceed.

Getting to prance around in VR zones wearing VR gear and doing VR dungeons is not a privilege you get by buying the game. Shelling out the dough for the game just gives you the right to try your skill at these challenges. Success is not guaranteed by the transaction itself. So getting to VR is something you must earn ingame by defeating the challenges the game throws at you.

Your claim, that you should be able to do VR without finishing this fight, is the same as stating, that you totally should be able to claim ownership of an enemy keep in PVP for your guild without actually conquering the keep. Your rationale here being, that it's one of the gameplay elements that this game contains, and if you are unable to defeat the defenders, you should totally just get one for free, 'cause you know, you want one and can't be bothered to actually work for it.

So in short: VR is the reward you get for being good at playing the game.

And yeah I suppose ol' Manni was a hard fight, but not too bad I think. I ended up doing it after much procrastination at level 44 (had to finally do it since I was close to 45 and I thus close to running the risk of losing all loot drops due the "being 6 levels over" thing) and I died once in that fight, and even that was a close call and if I had managed to hit heal a fraction of a second earlier I would've done it in one go.

Now perhaps I was just lucky since the AI of my NPC buddies actually kicked in and they did something useful in the fight and didn't just stand around like they usually tend to do. But yeah, you got plenty of companions to help you there, so I would not classify it as a solo fight.

But perhaps my tanky healer templar was better suited for the fight than other builds, who knows. What I do know is that for me it was indeed a slugfest - charge and mash and batter and hack till the *** was dead kinda battle. From what I've read, other builds may have a harder time with it than I did, but by no means is it impossible.

And finally don't whine about money or repair costs, because that is also nonsense. I hit VR1 when I was halfway though Coldharbour so I know very well the dynamics of mob drops for VR1 characters in Coldharbour, and there are plenty of high enough level mobs to grind couple of thousand gold when in need.

Also you can go and do PVP, there are plenty of quests in Cyrodiil + daily missions that pay gold, and you get nice loot as rewards for participating in the war, and of course plenty of mobs to kill. So get a buddy or two and go plunder a cave or two in Cyrodiil and you will get the money you need pretty fast. The fact is that being a a VR character and not having enough money to repair gear means that you are doing something wrong.