Mannimarco LOCKING important game features, AND almost impossible.
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Loxy37✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »
I don't think he's actually fought Molag Bal in the main quest, he's just done the Coldharbour quest where you watch Molag Bal throw some stuff at you and then go back to the Hollow City.
Yeah that's the lines I was thinking on. If he think that's Molag bals worse then he will hissy fit when he gets throttled by him and his little friends!2 -
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Clearly it must be as I've seen VR1s botting in Glenumbra .. but maybe those weren't RMT but simply 'normal' players cheating.
So easy then, even a bot could get into VR.
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aleister✭✭✭✭What bothers me is the imbalance on some these quest lines. Fights are either trivially easy and unchallenging or rage-inducing "OMFG-impossible!" difficult -- with no in-between.
And come on, nothing -- especially the main quest line -- should be solo only in an "MMO". That is just asinine. It doesn't need to be made easier, just open it up for the more casual players to get help when they need it. If you hardcore types want to solo it all - great. You can come back to the forums and brag about it. but for everyone else, give them a chance to progress so they can access and enjoy the content they are paying for.
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭What bothers me is the imbalance on some these quest lines. Fights are either trivially easy and unchallenging or rage-inducing "OMFG-impossible!" difficult -- with no in-between.
And come on, nothing -- especially the main quest line -- should be solo only in an "MMO". That is just asinine. It doesn't need to be made easier, just open it up for the more casual players to get help when they need it. If you hardcore types want to solo it all - great. You can come back to the forums and brag about it. but for everyone else, give them a chance to progress so they can access and enjoy the content they are paying for.
I completely agree. Make it groupable. Forced solo in an mmo is assinine.1 -
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You can't have defeated Molag Bal, unless you're talking about that little interlude where you see him and he basically runs away (that isn't the Molag Bal fight btw).vanderghast wrote: »I am Vet 1, have defeated Molag, and cannot defeat Mannimarco (with that character, which is a sorcerer). That is what is it, indeed.
The point, though, is that defeating Mannimarco is definitively way too hard given it is a quest UNLOCKING important game's features, such as access to new areas.
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No thanks, I don't pay to play games where I have to rely on others wanting to do something in order to progress .. that's so very 1990s.I completely agree. Make it groupable. Forced solo in an mmo is assinine.
Grouping for side stuff like raids is fine, I can ignore it, grouping for optional content is fine, I can choose to do it or not, but don't revert back over 15 years to 'group or die' critical path content.Edited by KerinKor on May 14, 2014 9:15PM1 -
Evandus✭✭✭✭What bothers me is the imbalance on some these quest lines. Fights are either trivially easy and unchallenging or rage-inducing "OMFG-impossible!" difficult -- with no in-between.
And come on, nothing -- especially the main quest line -- should be solo only in an "MMO". That is just asinine. It doesn't need to be made easier, just open it up for the more casual players to get help when they need it. If you hardcore types want to solo it all - great. You can come back to the forums and brag about it. but for everyone else, give them a chance to progress so they can access and enjoy the content they are paying for.
This is an idea I find myself in support of. Grouping for these quests could indeed solve the issue.
I still can't help but be a little concerned though about the skill level/mechanic knowledge of the guy standing next to me. But this is minor, and something that community moderation can easily address.
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vanderghast✭✭@Babylon Maybe you are right, why would I care, in fact, if I defeated or not the Molag Bal encounter that you have in mind. All what I know is that I end up the sequence of quest about of saving the world from him. If he comes back in another future sequence, I am not aware of it ... and sincerely, I don't mind! If it is really harder than Mannimarco, and only solo-able, I will GLADLY SKIP it! I am here not to be worshipped about how good I am and how crap others are to not listen to ME, to not try MY suggestions (which are in contradiction if you read different players, by the way) !
And I agree that an airplane makes a poor submarine. I totally agree! It is evident! "I" do something wrong building a plane where only a submarine like would be acceptable?
I am here to notify ESO that they should remember what a GAME should be, what a MMO game should be, and in a particular DETAIL where their actual implementation fails.0 -
There is no issue here you just have to play it a bit diff. My GF was complaining she couldn't kill mannimarco on her sorc, I took a look at her equipment and build. mind you I haven't played a sorc for even 5 minutes as I play nightblade but after a couple equipment changes and instructing her on being mobile and dropping the ghosts that he sends after you immediate there was no problem at all.
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aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭vanderghast wrote: »@Loxy37: How? well, it seems that you have to end the warrior and mage guilds quest. Then, do the east and west parts of Coldharbour with their respective quest ( I don't remember which side has to be done first), which unlock the north part. Nothing out of the ordinary there.
Mannimarco quest blocks the veteran context, since you have to speak to Caldwell to do so. It is NOT the quest itself which seems to be a pre-requisite for being Veteran, but which seems to be a pre-requisite to unlock Caldwell "re-action".
Many people, including myself, have tried to explain this to you already. I'm going to try one more time, and I'll even do it in all caps so you'll actually see it. YOU HAVE NOT BEATEN MOLAG BAL. YOU DESTROYED THE PLANAR VORTEX WHICH IS PART OF THE COLDHARBOUR QUESTLINE. DEFEATING MOLAG BAL IS PART OF THE MAIN QUEST WHICH REQUIRES YOU BEAT MANNIMARCO FIRST. MOLAG BAL IS EVEN HARDER. GOOD LUCK.
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You can't skip the Molag Bal fight, unless you never want to reach VR level areas (so you can never level past VR1).vanderghast wrote: »@Babylon Maybe you are right, why would I care, in fact, if I defeated or not the Molag Bal encounter that you have in mind. All what I know is that I end up the sequence of quest about of saving the world from him. If he comes back in another future sequence, I am not aware of it ... and sincerely, I don't mind! If it is really harder than Mannimarco, and only solo-able, I will GLADLY SKIP it!
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭No thanks, I don't pay to play games where I have to rely on others wanting to do something in order to progress .. that's so very 1990s.
Grouping for side stuff like raids is fine, I can ignore it, grouping for optional content is fine, I can choose to do it or not, but don't revert back over 15 years to 'group or die' critical path content.
I didn't say make grouping mandatory you know. Grouping should be allowed for these fights.
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alive741✭I did this with my crafter, he has a total of 11 skill points in combat, 0 passives. 2nd try..it's definitely not impossible..0
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vanderghast✭✭@aipex8_ESO: I will explain it one more, just for you: I DON'T CARE if it is harder, if it is another quest, whatever. I will just SKIP it, duh! My point is not about bragging about how good I am.0
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vanderghast✭✭@Babylon: if there is ANOTHER quest than Mannimarco to be able to reach Veteran CONTEXT (not to reach Veteran level, since I have already, and did not perform that other quest, at least, your say), then THAT other quest too should become optional and should not stay mandatory. Plain and simple. Thanks to point it. And I won't do it (not solo, at least).
Edited by vanderghast on May 15, 2014 12:19AM0 -
Evandus✭✭✭✭Have you yet considered that the reward for completing the main storyline (aside from gear/skill points/xp) is indeed access to VR content?
You appear to keep missing this stop on your rage train.1 -
vanderghast✭✭If have no problem keeping very hard to succeed quests, as long as they are OPTIONAL quests, giving big, huge, gear or otherwise, but NOT forbidding game playability in a MMO game, not with SOLO only doable quest!
That game is NOT about bragging, but about playing. It removes NOTHING to the game allowing to unlock all important features in a relatively easy path: people who like challenge can still play optional quests, isn't? The only thing it may remove, is, somehow, the "prestige" some people here think to get, and too sick about it going to a point of even keeping OTHER players from enjoying the game.0 -
Kayvee✭✭This encounter was laughably easy. As is the encounter with Molag Bal... Not to mention the final encounters in the Mages Guild and Fighters Guild story arcs are ridiculously simple. Whiny people like you are why developers TONE DOWN encounters that really ought to be far more difficult than they are.
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✭.Edited by Svenja on June 21, 2016 12:51AMPC | EU
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vanderghast✭✭@evandus: First, you are not in a position to forbid me or to give me any order of any kind.
Next, while it is a "reward" to have complete the quest, that is an unjustified one: the game playability should not be a reward, it should be a commitment for ESO !0 -
vanderghast✭✭@Svenja: since when it is your job to define what that game should be, or not. What does it takes, from you, if ESO decides to unlock veteran CONTEXT in an easier way? Would you not be "proud" to have succeed in defeating Mannimarco and other very difficult quests? Or that is YOUR POINT: you LIKE bragging over it more than allowing other players to enjoy that game, too?
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KracsNZ✭✭vanderghast wrote: »@Svenja: since when it is your job to define what that game should be, or not.
So when is it yours?vanderghast wrote: »What does it takes, from you, if ESO decides to unlock veteran CONTEXT in an easier way?
It actually takes away allot. A game with no challenge = no game I want to play.
The only thing Zenimax should do is allow players with less capability to be able to group for this content (but it should still scale to the number of players). They should never change it to "an easier way".1 -
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✭vanderghast wrote: »@Svenja: since when it is your job to define what that game should be, or not. What does it takes, from you, if ESO decides to unlock veteran CONTEXT in an easier way? Would you not be "proud" to have succeed in defeating Mannimarco and other very difficult quests? Or that is YOUR POINT: you LIKE bragging over it more than allowing other players to enjoy that game, too?
You totally misunderstood me.
I'm not saying THIs is what the game SHOULD be. I really would like grouping on those main quests as well, as I am STRUGGLING with them TOO. (Skipping this story makes no sense. Why would you wander off to distant lands and let Molag Bal destroy the world? )
I just say that, AT THE MOMENT, the only way to reach VETERAN content is to beat the main quest SOLO. That unfortunately WON'T change any time soon.
So you have to choose:
Beat the story solo
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Quit playing the game.
And if you want to BEAT Mannimarco, here is a forum full of players willing to help you and give you tips.
All you have to do is stop raging and start asking specific questions on builds and techniqes.
(I used some words in caps to mark my statements
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Edited by Svenja on May 15, 2014 12:35AMPC | EU
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Evandus✭✭✭✭You can repeat that as much as you like. Lord knows you've done it entirely too much in this thread. The game is designed this way for specific reasons nonetheless. This is a fact. It is also a fact that it's not intended for you to skip the main story quests and enter the VR areas. The access is the reward. The icing on that cake is the xp/loot/skill points you get along the way to improve your build concept.
If anything, and for whatever reason, the fact that you can't do this quest many levels above the requirement proves that you are running a broken build. Shadow of Sancre Tor is level 40. Your build, VR1 is 10 levels above that. It's obvious that you don't like people pointing that out. Yet something so glaring can hardly be ignored.
Since you appear to be unwilling to consider advice from others, I'm convinced by this point that I can't help you. Yet all the rage in the world won't change the fact that you need to figure out what you are doing wrong. For nearly 3 pages in this thread, and the other one you are vocal in - you claim to have beaten Molag Bal, which is impossible without defeating Mannimarco. You have two bosses to deal with. My best suggestion to you at this point is to get some pointers and get it done. Because I, and many others, seriously doubt that Zenimax is going to rewrite their code so you can just skip it.
No amount of complaining on this issue will change that. Anyway, good luck to you. I've wasted enough effort here with something you refuse to see.2 -
vanderghast✭✭@KracsNZ: it is not MY job, indeed, I just recall to ESO the commercial promises and commitments they made. And that Mannimarco quest (and any other like) isn't toward their own commitments.
I never said to make all the quests easy! Can keep the crazy ones optional. But that, you won't play games where you cannot brag about your success? Do you play to enjoy your play, or you play to fill your apparent lack of ack. from the real word?0 -
KracsNZ✭✭vanderghast wrote: »I never said to make all the quests easy! Can keep the crazy ones optional. But that, you won't play games where you cannot brag about your success? Do you play to enjoy your play, or you play to fill your apparent lack of ack. from the real word?
I'm guessing English must be your second language because your comprehension skill are severely lacking. Either that or you're a troll trying to get a rise out of everyone who disagrees with your point of view. The challenge aspect of a game is the "fun" aspect. Why do you think games like Dark Souls is so popular? If a game is not challenging then it becomes repetitive, monotonous and no longer "fun". Brag about successes? My gawd, get off your bandwagon.0 -
Dominulf✭✭✭Are you telling me that it's hard to beat a game?
Wow, imagine that. Who would have thought.
Maybe next time you'd like the option to just travel to the end and one shot Molag Bal?
Pathetic and sad that this thread and general sentiment exist within the gaming community these days.The Elder Scrolls Online - Where the best spells are AoEs and the strongest weapon is a Shield!
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✭Yeah that's the lines I was thinking on. If he think that's Molag bals worse then he will hissy fit when he gets throttled by him and his little friends!
Molag Bal is a lot easier than Mannimarco. It's one of the easiest story bosses in the game. People are being scared of by this fight for no particular reason.
If you follow the (very simple) tactic you can do Molag Bal without gear on. It's more similar to quests where you have to dodge traps and lighting, interact with environment etc, than an actual boss fight.
Mannimarco is harder on level, because it comes with skill requirements. You need the right set up to deal with the adds while keeping yourself alive. If you didn't level up the right skills, you can't do it on level. That's why people are struggling.
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