exiars10 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Really no issues? Red is down to 2 bars, as nobody can't enter anything.
I am glad you have fun - of the cost of everyone else:)

You can see time of screenshot and that was correct statement for the whole time I was there - when I entered (18.30) and exited (19.20), all 3 alliances were constantly full.
Now at 20.08, only my AD alliance is not locked.
EDIT
At 20.10, every alliance is locked.

You posted at 19.54 so I have no idea what was going on. I know there European login issues as I got it several minutes ago, too.

PS EU 1 bar each

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

Ah, so you want to say, while everyone have issues logging in etc, they increased the cap to get more players into Cyro? Makes sense.

No, I'm saying that for veng camp they literally up the camp to push their tests. This has nothing to do with the login issues.

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

Ah, so you want to say, while everyone have issues logging in etc, they increased the cap to get more players into Cyro? Makes sense.

That's literally the point of this test. To push the population caps in an attempt to stress cyrodil and gain data points. No different than the last time they did this on PC. The population caps are absolutely increased right now in vengeance.

You didn't got my point. Everyone had issues logging in and even queueing for stuff, and while that they increased the cap?

The cap was increased as part of the maintenance. It was increased before the problems started.

As a new player with no previous pvp experience, I will say it's fun and a nice way to level my skill line. I don't have a ton of cp's or mount speed but I can keep up with everyone.

Yusuf wrote: »

I think vengeance is great.
The playing field is truly leveled and it kinda reminds of the old times at launch, when nobody was level 50 yet and had no clue how to build their character. I think this is what cyrodiil is supposed be: no unkillable small-scale teams dancing around resource towers, no ball groups, just large zergs clashing and sieging.

Level playing field??? Try floor=ceiling. There is no skill gap, no anything worth appreciating with vengeance mode. Nothing.

Soooo.... yea last Vengenance test we were given altered class skills with everything being disabled. Thats it.

This time they're giving us the same altered class skills but they've added altered weapon and PvP skill lines to the mix.

The first "TEST" on vengenance was a huge success proving that massive amounts of numbers of players could be put in Cyrodiil and the servers run just fine. That was basically the entire point was to TEST performance while removing other outliers of things that impacted performance like set combinations, abilities and their combinations etc and to nobodys surprise honestly it worked. So now the devs are introducing a few more skills to the mix to see if certain skills are contributing to poor performance. Again a TEST.

So I've thrown that word "TEST" around alot right? So has many other people its a TEST so why not put it on the Public TEST Server?!?!? right? WRONG. Devs need massive amounts of people to play cyrodiil to show where the choke points are in the performance and just what it takes to bog things down. MOST people dont play the PTS and they cant get the numbers out of it like they can on the live servers because well when you have little choice to play Cyrodiil and your ONLY campaign is Vengenance you're going to play Vengenance or not play it all, but you want to play right? So you have to play it and ZOS gets their data and you get to play PvP as a TEST to make the real PvP campaign BETTER!

So everyone needs to stop complaining about how bad and limited Vengenance is because that is quite literally its purpose. Please go contribute an hour of your time in cyrodiil and just fight big massive battles while trying to break anything and everything you can so the Devs can see what they need to see to fix the game in the long run because at the end of the day EVERYONE has been complaining about that for 10 years!

As I said after the first Vengenance test. Vengenance should NEVER be considered as an alternative for PvP. It should ONLY be used for testing to figure out whats broken in the main campaign with all our normal sets of gear, abilities, CP etc etc etc. Once the devs figure that out, fix it, carry on with normal PvP how it was originally designed and get us back to how Cyrodiil USE to run for the first year of the game...

licenturion wrote: »

I see a future where they have both modes

- Curated vengeance mode that is seasonal where they add and remove stuff and where they balance for
- Wild mode just like standard PvP is today without focus for balance

I wouldn't mind those 2 modes then people can choose what they prefer.

ZOS will only support one mode in the long term. One guess which mode that will be. ZOS isn't going to suddenly support two different versions of PvP when they didn't even support one, for the most part, in the past.

This iteration of vengeance is awful. There is too much healing now, and with an AOE cap of 3 on damage abilities the whole "greater numbers win" thing has really been reinforced. You have like no chance at all to outplay people when they outnumber you if they've got even the most basic skillset.

A lot of people claimed that vengeance allowed for more "skill expression", but that just isn't the case with this iteration. Really unfortunate to see given how fun PVP has been this patch with the huge damage increase from subclassing.

Quackery wrote: »

We already had this discussion before with the first Vengeance test, and most people were positive, because THEY HAD FUN! Massive amounts of people, no unkillable players, and no crutches, no ball groups..what's to complain about?? New players were ecstatic during the event, and they had so much fun. It is beginner-friendly, which is always a good thing. How is bringing in new players a bad thing?

Just to be clear: THIS IS A TEST!

Vengeance mode is no skill trash. There is nothing good about it at all. The people who love it now will quit playing within a week or two if vengeance mode becomes mandated.

Right now it is the focus of a Golden Pursuit so of course it will be busy.

CatoUnchained wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

We already had this discussion before with the first Vengeance test, and most people were positive, because THEY HAD FUN! Massive amounts of people, no unkillable players, and no crutches, no ball groups..what's to complain about?? New players were ecstatic during the event, and they had so much fun. It is beginner-friendly, which is always a good thing. How is bringing in new players a bad thing?

Just to be clear: THIS IS A TEST!

Vengeance mode is no skill trash. There is nothing good about it at all. The people who love it now will quit playing within a week or two if vengeance mode becomes mandated.

You're wrong, it's the opposite. Even the most experienced ones had more fun during Vengeance mode. We had such huge fights at Ash that I thought the game was going to implode, but imagine my shock when I saw that the server handled it. If people had to choose between status quo where ball groups own the map, or PvP full of people, albeit with limited skills, I guarantee you that most people would pick the campaign where they haven't had as much fun in YEARS!

Also, give ZOS a little more credit here. They will keep running their tests. It won't end with this.

CatoUnchained wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

We already had this discussion before with the first Vengeance test, and most people were positive, because THEY HAD FUN! Massive amounts of people, no unkillable players, and no crutches, no ball groups..what's to complain about?? New players were ecstatic during the event, and they had so much fun. It is beginner-friendly, which is always a good thing. How is bringing in new players a bad thing?

Just to be clear: THIS IS A TEST!

Vengeance mode is no skill trash. There is nothing good about it at all. The people who love it now will quit playing within a week or two if vengeance mode becomes mandated.

Oh, and here I heard people already quit playing it and in fact never even started playing it, because of how trash it is. Looks like things are getting better with every hour!

amiiegee wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

CatoUnchained wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

We already had this discussion before with the first Vengeance test, and most people were positive, because THEY HAD FUN! Massive amounts of people, no unkillable players, and no crutches, no ball groups..what's to complain about?? New players were ecstatic during the event, and they had so much fun. It is beginner-friendly, which is always a good thing. How is bringing in new players a bad thing?

Just to be clear: THIS IS A TEST!

Vengeance mode is no skill trash. There is nothing good about it at all. The people who love it now will quit playing within a week or two if vengeance mode becomes mandated.

You're wrong, it's the opposite. Even the most experienced ones had more fun during Vengeance mode. We had such huge fights at Ash that I thought the game was going to implode, but imagine my shock when I saw that the server handled it. If people had to choose between status quo where ball groups own the map, or PvP full of people, albeit with limited skills, I guarantee you that most people would pick the campaign where they haven't had as much fun in YEARS!

Also, give ZOS a little more credit here. They will keep running their tests. It won't end with this.

thats just wrong and the person who you was responding too, is right

Again - WRONG! What you fail to understand is that people were having FUN for the first time in ages! The huge numbers of players, along with restrictions in skills, made fights "equal", albeit numbers-based. ZOS just needs to tweak the skills allowed in order to make your own skilfulness matter. I believe that ZOS will figure this out.

Also, AGAIN, we've already had this discussion the previous time we had Vengeance mode active. Most people were in agreement in that they hadn't had that much fun in ages. It just needs skill tweaks, that's all. It's the amount of players that brought the fun because it felt like an ACTUAL WAR like it used to be at the start.

Quackery wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

CatoUnchained wrote: »

Quackery wrote: »

We already had this discussion before with the first Vengeance test, and most people were positive, because THEY HAD FUN! Massive amounts of people, no unkillable players, and no crutches, no ball groups..what's to complain about?? New players were ecstatic during the event, and they had so much fun. It is beginner-friendly, which is always a good thing. How is bringing in new players a bad thing?

Just to be clear: THIS IS A TEST!

Vengeance mode is no skill trash. There is nothing good about it at all. The people who love it now will quit playing within a week or two if vengeance mode becomes mandated.

You're wrong, it's the opposite. Even the most experienced ones had more fun during Vengeance mode. We had such huge fights at Ash that I thought the game was going to implode, but imagine my shock when I saw that the server handled it. If people had to choose between status quo where ball groups own the map, or PvP full of people, albeit with limited skills, I guarantee you that most people would pick the campaign where they haven't had as much fun in YEARS!

Also, give ZOS a little more credit here. They will keep running their tests. It won't end with this.

thats just wrong and the person who you was responding too, is right

Again - WRONG! What you fail to understand is that people were having FUN for the first time in ages! The huge numbers of players, along with restrictions in skills, made fights "equal", albeit numbers-based. ZOS just needs to tweak the skills allowed in order to make your own skilfulness matter. I believe that ZOS will figure this out.

Also, AGAIN, we've already had this discussion the previous time we had Vengeance mode active. Most people were in agreement in that they hadn't had that much fun in ages. It just needs skill tweaks, that's all. It's the amount of players that brought the fun because it felt like an ACTUAL WAR like it used to be at the start.

Youre entitled to have your opinion but dont try to sell them as facts 😂 A lot of people hating vengeance, i hope zos tracks the zone chat and realises lmao

amiiegee wrote: »

Huge ammount of numbers automaticly win = bigger zerg swarm wins, super encouraging pvp. Thats what i grinded sets and skills for 👍

Proccing Rush of Agony is so much big skill agreed.