Vengeance - THE WORST PVP EVER

amiiegee · June 30

Desiato wrote: »

I'm sorry you are so enamoured by a completely broken and deeply unpopular game mode. You are part of a fringe audience that continued to play despite all the problems after almost everyone else who tried it quit -- in terms of the entire playerbase.

Know that you've probably been farming PVE players who barely even try because they are just grinding end of campaign rewards on their alts for transmutes. This hasn't been good PVP for YEARS.

I don't know if Vengeance will ultimately be successful, but I am THRILLED they are trying. I suggest leaving constructive, polite feedback in the appropriate areas so the devs responsible can consider it. I doubt they will wade through threads like this.

Keep in mind Cyrodiil was designed for large scale PVP. It hasn't been that in a while. Rust servers can smoothly support more players. The current pop cap of 80-100 players per faction is pointless on such a large map in a game mode designed for large scale combat. And even with such a low pop cap, it still experiences crippling game-breaking lag when poplocked. I can't even imagine what you were getting out of it prime time.

If small scale is your thing, there is Battlegrounds. If you must have CP Cyrodiil, perhaps they will consider keeping at least one server open on each platform and let players choose what they prefer.

How in the world are you making all these assumes by me saying i dont like Vengeance?
💀

SerafinaWaterstar · June 30

It’s just a test.

Lordy some will complain about anything! 🤣

MISTFORMBZZZ · June 30

I think vengeance is terrible but im giving it a try.

Also another bit of feedback: A lot of people are crashing and lagging bad.

These who crashed are struggeling to get back into cyrodiil.

Bars 1 1 1 in PS EU

sarahthes · June 30

amiiegee wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

'Nobody would play it' .

I have been in the queue for 30+ minutes.

And I don't think there are thousand PvE players queuing for 30K gold and some AP points.

its 1 bar each ps eu.

LadyGP wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PLAYSTATION HERE, so its the first time Vengeance.

First of all the positive : The Sky looks pretty. Ah yes and another good thing about it; it will end in a few days. Thought i wont play the game at all in these days.

Well now to the rest. I have played this now for almost 1 hour and its the worst pvp experience i had in ages.
It literally was better, when we still had the old servers and the game was a slide show & skills worked like in round based games.

You have NO own sets, no skill morphes, I have leveled Subclassing in the past days FOR NOTHING, because i cant use it now. The scribing skills i farmed together in the past, i cant use.
Youre slow, you have no ressources at most of the time, it feels like youre not doing anything most of the time.

Its a pure numbers game, the bigger zergs wins.
Not the better player, not the better strategy.

Every pvp battle has the same scheme wich i take time to describe now;

Zerg X with 50 people pushes to Keep 1 fighting Zerg Y with 40 people. Zerg Y gets pushed back , till they are close to the Keep 1 where they are able to respawn, then Zerg Y is Pushing back Zerg X to their own Keep 2.
Till it switches arround again and the scheme repeats.

THIS IS IT. Everyone fighting each other with solo target skills but just in big zerges.

This campaign is OP if youre just the type of pvp player who likes to beam people at full health, while they are getting zerged.

On the PS server im playing on EVERYONE in the chat is complaining.
In the psn party im in, EVERYONE is complaining.

I think its even worse.

I dont know if PC players are suffering sooo much off ball groups and proc sets, they rather prefere this Nonsense ( thats the tenor i read a lot in this forum, when vengeance happened first on PC).
But this is horrible, i wont support playing this test further & as a pure pvp player, if this ever becomes a permanent thing, this was the nail in the coffin for me.

Sigh...

This is a test. Think about it from their perspective. IF your boss came to you with a problem and told you to come up with a solution. Would you spend a year on the solution with a "hunch" it might solve the problem but ZERO data backing up that hunch?

Or, would you do whatever you can as quick as possible to get data to verify if this hunch is legit or not?

Myself, as a developer, and I think anyone that follows even the most basic agile practices would do the quicker/not fully implemented solution to prove the concept. Once proven then you put all your time and energy into the whole final solution.

This is a test, proving if their theory is correct. We would be much more upset if they spent a year of work on PvP only to be back at the drawing board (this has happened... 2... 3 times? over the years FWIW).

They have said many times this is a performance test and to not evaluate the overall combat/skill of the test - strictly the server stability.

I don't understand why people can't grasp this. They have said it on so many streams, social media posts, forum posts, like... forehead meet brick wall.

amiiegee wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

It’s a test again…to get raw data they could never get on the PTS. I assume they want data off console too now, hence it being on there now too. It’s not the end-all-be-all new way of PVP. It’s for a week. I think everyone will survive.

What data they wanna get? The data how dead this server is?

People will get their pursuit and leave this & not play pvp till this is over.

You do realize the vast majority of players are at work right now - right? Just wait till prime time tonight - the fights will be insane. The amount of people on the map will be like it was back on release. They will know with like 90% certainty by the end of the night if the overall theory was a fluke or if "this is legit lets keep going in this direction".

Bookmark it.

Mate this server is PS EU , its 7pm - this is prime time.

Doesn't PS EU have login issues right now?

ApoAlaia · June 30

sarahthes wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

'Nobody would play it' .

I have been in the queue for 30+ minutes.

And I don't think there are thousand PvE players queuing for 30K gold and some AP points.

its 1 bar each ps eu.

LadyGP wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PLAYSTATION HERE, so its the first time Vengeance.

First of all the positive : The Sky looks pretty. Ah yes and another good thing about it; it will end in a few days. Thought i wont play the game at all in these days.

Well now to the rest. I have played this now for almost 1 hour and its the worst pvp experience i had in ages.
It literally was better, when we still had the old servers and the game was a slide show & skills worked like in round based games.

You have NO own sets, no skill morphes, I have leveled Subclassing in the past days FOR NOTHING, because i cant use it now. The scribing skills i farmed together in the past, i cant use.
Youre slow, you have no ressources at most of the time, it feels like youre not doing anything most of the time.

Its a pure numbers game, the bigger zergs wins.
Not the better player, not the better strategy.

Every pvp battle has the same scheme wich i take time to describe now;

Zerg X with 50 people pushes to Keep 1 fighting Zerg Y with 40 people. Zerg Y gets pushed back , till they are close to the Keep 1 where they are able to respawn, then Zerg Y is Pushing back Zerg X to their own Keep 2.
Till it switches arround again and the scheme repeats.

THIS IS IT. Everyone fighting each other with solo target skills but just in big zerges.

This campaign is OP if youre just the type of pvp player who likes to beam people at full health, while they are getting zerged.

On the PS server im playing on EVERYONE in the chat is complaining.
In the psn party im in, EVERYONE is complaining.

I think its even worse.

I dont know if PC players are suffering sooo much off ball groups and proc sets, they rather prefere this Nonsense ( thats the tenor i read a lot in this forum, when vengeance happened first on PC).
But this is horrible, i wont support playing this test further & as a pure pvp player, if this ever becomes a permanent thing, this was the nail in the coffin for me.

Sigh...

This is a test. Think about it from their perspective. IF your boss came to you with a problem and told you to come up with a solution. Would you spend a year on the solution with a "hunch" it might solve the problem but ZERO data backing up that hunch?

Or, would you do whatever you can as quick as possible to get data to verify if this hunch is legit or not?

Myself, as a developer, and I think anyone that follows even the most basic agile practices would do the quicker/not fully implemented solution to prove the concept. Once proven then you put all your time and energy into the whole final solution.

This is a test, proving if their theory is correct. We would be much more upset if they spent a year of work on PvP only to be back at the drawing board (this has happened... 2... 3 times? over the years FWIW).

They have said many times this is a performance test and to not evaluate the overall combat/skill of the test - strictly the server stability.

I don't understand why people can't grasp this. They have said it on so many streams, social media posts, forum posts, like... forehead meet brick wall.

amiiegee wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

It’s a test again…to get raw data they could never get on the PTS. I assume they want data off console too now, hence it being on there now too. It’s not the end-all-be-all new way of PVP. It’s for a week. I think everyone will survive.

What data they wanna get? The data how dead this server is?

People will get their pursuit and leave this & not play pvp till this is over.

You do realize the vast majority of players are at work right now - right? Just wait till prime time tonight - the fights will be insane. The amount of people on the map will be like it was back on release. They will know with like 90% certainty by the end of the night if the overall theory was a fluke or if "this is legit lets keep going in this direction".

Bookmark it.

Mate this server is PS EU , its 7pm - this is prime time.

Doesn't PS EU have login issues right now?

All EU megaservers are experiencing issues.

sarahthes · June 30

ApoAlaia wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

'Nobody would play it' .

I have been in the queue for 30+ minutes.

And I don't think there are thousand PvE players queuing for 30K gold and some AP points.

its 1 bar each ps eu.

LadyGP wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PLAYSTATION HERE, so its the first time Vengeance.

First of all the positive : The Sky looks pretty. Ah yes and another good thing about it; it will end in a few days. Thought i wont play the game at all in these days.

Well now to the rest. I have played this now for almost 1 hour and its the worst pvp experience i had in ages.
It literally was better, when we still had the old servers and the game was a slide show & skills worked like in round based games.

You have NO own sets, no skill morphes, I have leveled Subclassing in the past days FOR NOTHING, because i cant use it now. The scribing skills i farmed together in the past, i cant use.
Youre slow, you have no ressources at most of the time, it feels like youre not doing anything most of the time.

Its a pure numbers game, the bigger zergs wins.
Not the better player, not the better strategy.

Every pvp battle has the same scheme wich i take time to describe now;

Zerg X with 50 people pushes to Keep 1 fighting Zerg Y with 40 people. Zerg Y gets pushed back , till they are close to the Keep 1 where they are able to respawn, then Zerg Y is Pushing back Zerg X to their own Keep 2.
Till it switches arround again and the scheme repeats.

THIS IS IT. Everyone fighting each other with solo target skills but just in big zerges.

This campaign is OP if youre just the type of pvp player who likes to beam people at full health, while they are getting zerged.

On the PS server im playing on EVERYONE in the chat is complaining.
In the psn party im in, EVERYONE is complaining.

I think its even worse.

I dont know if PC players are suffering sooo much off ball groups and proc sets, they rather prefere this Nonsense ( thats the tenor i read a lot in this forum, when vengeance happened first on PC).
But this is horrible, i wont support playing this test further & as a pure pvp player, if this ever becomes a permanent thing, this was the nail in the coffin for me.

Sigh...

This is a test. Think about it from their perspective. IF your boss came to you with a problem and told you to come up with a solution. Would you spend a year on the solution with a "hunch" it might solve the problem but ZERO data backing up that hunch?

Or, would you do whatever you can as quick as possible to get data to verify if this hunch is legit or not?

Myself, as a developer, and I think anyone that follows even the most basic agile practices would do the quicker/not fully implemented solution to prove the concept. Once proven then you put all your time and energy into the whole final solution.

This is a test, proving if their theory is correct. We would be much more upset if they spent a year of work on PvP only to be back at the drawing board (this has happened... 2... 3 times? over the years FWIW).

They have said many times this is a performance test and to not evaluate the overall combat/skill of the test - strictly the server stability.

I don't understand why people can't grasp this. They have said it on so many streams, social media posts, forum posts, like... forehead meet brick wall.

amiiegee wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

It’s a test again…to get raw data they could never get on the PTS. I assume they want data off console too now, hence it being on there now too. It’s not the end-all-be-all new way of PVP. It’s for a week. I think everyone will survive.

What data they wanna get? The data how dead this server is?

People will get their pursuit and leave this & not play pvp till this is over.

You do realize the vast majority of players are at work right now - right? Just wait till prime time tonight - the fights will be insane. The amount of people on the map will be like it was back on release. They will know with like 90% certainty by the end of the night if the overall theory was a fluke or if "this is legit lets keep going in this direction".

Bookmark it.

Mate this server is PS EU , its 7pm - this is prime time.

Doesn't PS EU have login issues right now?

All EU megaservers are experiencing issues.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the low pop on the PS EU vengeance campaign...

katorga · June 30

Yusuf wrote: »

I think vengeance is great.
The playing field is truly leveled and it kinda reminds of the old times at launch, when nobody was level 50 yet and had no clue how to build their character. I think this is what cyrodiil is supposed be: no unkillable small-scale teams dancing around resource towers, no ball groups, just large zergs clashing and sieging.

At least release was fun and you still had full access to sets builds, weapons, morphs, and way more than 6 skills. This is garbage.

LadyGP · June 30

katorga wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

I see a future where they have both modes

- Curated vengeance mode that is seasonal where they add and remove stuff and where they balance for
- Wild mode just like standard PvP is today without focus for balance

I wouldn't mind those 2 modes then people can choose what they prefer.

No, they wont. Because without reworking skills/sets it is impossible for them to improve overall server stability.

They HAVE to rework the skills/sets/buffs in some capacity (even if it's just a 5% rework on the math behind the skill) to improve server stability.

Reworking the math behind the skills/sets will happen - zero question about that. Now, how do those finished skills/sets look - anything anyone says is just a guess at that point (me included).

Have they reworked ANYTHING? It looks like the exact same vengeance skills as last time. And mid-day US, performance is terrible...lag, skills not firing, slow. Worse than prime time last night with regular Cyro. And yes....boring.

At least start it on the first of the month so we don't lose the prior campaign rewards.

Yes, they actually reworked all the weapon skill lines and added in the two pvp skill lines - alot actually 2x what they launched with last time.

Interesting - I have been playing and I have zero lag, zero issues with skills firing, nothing is slow to me. If you'd like, I can help troubleshoot if it's a network/isp issue on your end.

ApoAlaia · June 30

sarahthes wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

'Nobody would play it' .

I have been in the queue for 30+ minutes.

And I don't think there are thousand PvE players queuing for 30K gold and some AP points.

its 1 bar each ps eu.

LadyGP wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PLAYSTATION HERE, so its the first time Vengeance.

First of all the positive : The Sky looks pretty. Ah yes and another good thing about it; it will end in a few days. Thought i wont play the game at all in these days.

Well now to the rest. I have played this now for almost 1 hour and its the worst pvp experience i had in ages.
It literally was better, when we still had the old servers and the game was a slide show & skills worked like in round based games.

You have NO own sets, no skill morphes, I have leveled Subclassing in the past days FOR NOTHING, because i cant use it now. The scribing skills i farmed together in the past, i cant use.
Youre slow, you have no ressources at most of the time, it feels like youre not doing anything most of the time.

Its a pure numbers game, the bigger zergs wins.
Not the better player, not the better strategy.

Every pvp battle has the same scheme wich i take time to describe now;

Zerg X with 50 people pushes to Keep 1 fighting Zerg Y with 40 people. Zerg Y gets pushed back , till they are close to the Keep 1 where they are able to respawn, then Zerg Y is Pushing back Zerg X to their own Keep 2.
Till it switches arround again and the scheme repeats.

THIS IS IT. Everyone fighting each other with solo target skills but just in big zerges.

This campaign is OP if youre just the type of pvp player who likes to beam people at full health, while they are getting zerged.

On the PS server im playing on EVERYONE in the chat is complaining.
In the psn party im in, EVERYONE is complaining.

I think its even worse.

I dont know if PC players are suffering sooo much off ball groups and proc sets, they rather prefere this Nonsense ( thats the tenor i read a lot in this forum, when vengeance happened first on PC).
But this is horrible, i wont support playing this test further & as a pure pvp player, if this ever becomes a permanent thing, this was the nail in the coffin for me.

Sigh...

This is a test. Think about it from their perspective. IF your boss came to you with a problem and told you to come up with a solution. Would you spend a year on the solution with a "hunch" it might solve the problem but ZERO data backing up that hunch?

Or, would you do whatever you can as quick as possible to get data to verify if this hunch is legit or not?

Myself, as a developer, and I think anyone that follows even the most basic agile practices would do the quicker/not fully implemented solution to prove the concept. Once proven then you put all your time and energy into the whole final solution.

This is a test, proving if their theory is correct. We would be much more upset if they spent a year of work on PvP only to be back at the drawing board (this has happened... 2... 3 times? over the years FWIW).

They have said many times this is a performance test and to not evaluate the overall combat/skill of the test - strictly the server stability.

I don't understand why people can't grasp this. They have said it on so many streams, social media posts, forum posts, like... forehead meet brick wall.

amiiegee wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

It’s a test again…to get raw data they could never get on the PTS. I assume they want data off console too now, hence it being on there now too. It’s not the end-all-be-all new way of PVP. It’s for a week. I think everyone will survive.

What data they wanna get? The data how dead this server is?

People will get their pursuit and leave this & not play pvp till this is over.

You do realize the vast majority of players are at work right now - right? Just wait till prime time tonight - the fights will be insane. The amount of people on the map will be like it was back on release. They will know with like 90% certainty by the end of the night if the overall theory was a fluke or if "this is legit lets keep going in this direction".

Bookmark it.

Mate this server is PS EU , its 7pm - this is prime time.

Doesn't PS EU have login issues right now?

All EU megaservers are experiencing issues.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the low pop on the PS EU vengeance campaign...

Even if you manage to load a character in you cannot TP out of the zone you spawn in or 'jump' to Cyro so yeah, probably.

You can't even get up the stairs in IC.

exiars10 · June 30

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Major_Soulless · June 30

It seems the PS server hates vengeance as much as the player base servers are broken travelling takes forever.

As for Vengeance I'm sorry I know what the developers were aiming for but it's terrible. Not even let us have our riding speed is ridiculous and as for the combat it's just largest group wins if everyone is the same.

3 will beat 1

4 will beat 2

11 will beat 7

20 will beat 13

It doesn't work as a mode you need to offer a variable of some form otherwise it will always be biggest group wins.

Grey host has it's faults but due to the variables it's not always necessarily biggest group wins.

RealLoveBVB · June 30

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Really no issues? Red is down to 2 bars, as nobody can't enter anything.
I am glad you have fun - of the cost of everyone else:)

LadyGP · June 30

Desiato wrote: »

I'm sorry you are so enamoured by a completely broken and deeply unpopular game mode. You are part of a fringe audience that continued to play despite all the problems after almost everyone else who tried it quit -- in terms of the entire playerbase.

Know that you've probably been farming PVE players who barely even try because they are just grinding end of campaign rewards on their alts for transmutes. This hasn't been good PVP for YEARS.

I don't know if Vengeance will ultimately be successful, but I am THRILLED they are trying. I suggest leaving constructive, polite feedback in the appropriate areas so the devs responsible can consider it. I doubt they will wade through threads like this.

Keep in mind Cyrodiil was designed for large scale PVP. It hasn't been that in a while. Rust servers can smoothly support more players. The current pop cap of 80-100 players per faction is pointless on such a large map in a game mode designed for large scale combat. And even with such a low pop cap, it still experiences crippling game-breaking lag when poplocked. I can't even imagine what you were getting out of it prime time.

If small scale is your thing, there is Battlegrounds. If you must have CP Cyrodiil, perhaps they will consider keeping at least one server open on each platform and let players choose what they prefer.

Very good points - leaving feedback thats full of emotion and gripes isn't going to get the desired outcome for people.

Cyrodiil will have CP. I'd suspect the next veng test would bring in CP. After that... some sets. If everything is still going good then I see them working on overall balance.

People right now, for some reason and I truly struggle to see how they got there, think this test IS THE NEW CYRO. When, they even say all attention should be on performance and not combat.

So many people are saying that.. that now I'm begining to think I'm the crazy one. I've literally gone back and re-read some of their announcments about the tests and everything just to make sure my understanding is based on what they said lol.

LadyGP · June 30

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Really no issues? Red is down to 2 bars, as nobody can't enter anything.
I am glad you have fun - of the cost of everyone else:)

This. isn't. what. cyro. will. be.

This. is. just. a. test. they. are. doing. to. check. performance. with. reduced. math. behind. skills.

sarahthes · June 30

LadyGP wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

I'm sorry you are so enamoured by a completely broken and deeply unpopular game mode. You are part of a fringe audience that continued to play despite all the problems after almost everyone else who tried it quit -- in terms of the entire playerbase.

Know that you've probably been farming PVE players who barely even try because they are just grinding end of campaign rewards on their alts for transmutes. This hasn't been good PVP for YEARS.

I don't know if Vengeance will ultimately be successful, but I am THRILLED they are trying. I suggest leaving constructive, polite feedback in the appropriate areas so the devs responsible can consider it. I doubt they will wade through threads like this.

Keep in mind Cyrodiil was designed for large scale PVP. It hasn't been that in a while. Rust servers can smoothly support more players. The current pop cap of 80-100 players per faction is pointless on such a large map in a game mode designed for large scale combat. And even with such a low pop cap, it still experiences crippling game-breaking lag when poplocked. I can't even imagine what you were getting out of it prime time.

If small scale is your thing, there is Battlegrounds. If you must have CP Cyrodiil, perhaps they will consider keeping at least one server open on each platform and let players choose what they prefer.

Very good points - leaving feedback thats full of emotion and gripes isn't going to get the desired outcome for people.

Cyrodiil will have CP. I'd suspect the next veng test would bring in CP. After that... some sets. If everything is still going good then I see them working on overall balance.

People right now, for some reason and I truly struggle to see how they got there, think this test IS THE NEW CYRO. When, they even say all attention should be on performance and not combat.

So many people are saying that.. that now I'm begining to think I'm the crazy one. I've literally gone back and re-read some of their announcments about the tests and everything just to make sure my understanding is based on what they said lol.

I think the fundamental issue is that most of the PvP playerbase no longer trusts ZOS and are openly antagonistic towards the developers. I think the future of PvP may just be in ZOS using these campaigns to bring in new blood - something ESO PvP desperately needs.

LadyGP · June 30

Major_Soulless wrote: »

It seems the PS server hates vengeance as much as the player base servers are broken travelling takes forever.

As for Vengeance I'm sorry I know what the developers were aiming for but it's terrible. Not even let us have our riding speed is ridiculous and as for the combat it's just largest group wins if everyone is the same.

3 will beat 1

4 will beat 2

11 will beat 7

20 will beat 13

It doesn't work as a mode you need to offer a variable of some form otherwise it will always be biggest group wins.

Grey host has it's faults but due to the variables it's not always necessarily biggest group wins.

Yes, this is literally what they are trying to do for this test so they can check performance with mass amount of players in a specific area with sustained pressure on the servers.

The_Meathead · June 30

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

It‘s actually more laggy right now then when 3 ball groups are arround lol.

This is bad.

Yeah, it's drastically different than the first go of Vengeance where there was little to no lag throughout the entire week.

I'm more than a bit surprised it's so present this time, given how minimal the increases were in Skill Lines and such.

RealLoveBVB · June 30

LadyGP wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Really no issues? Red is down to 2 bars, as nobody can't enter anything.
I am glad you have fun - of the cost of everyone else:)

This. isn't. what. cyro. will. be.

This. is. just. a. test. they. are. doing. to. check. performance. with. reduced. math. behind. skills.

Where did I stated something else?

sarahthes · June 30

The_Meathead wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

It‘s actually more laggy right now then when 3 ball groups are arround lol.

This is bad.

Yeah, it's drastically different than the first go of Vengeance where there was little to no lag throughout the entire week.

I'm more than a bit surprised it's so present this time, given how minimal the increases were in Skill Lines and such.

Are you on EU or NA?

jaws343 · June 30

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

sarahthes · June 30

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Especially with the caps increase. What was 3 bars could be the current 1 bar without any change in pop.

LadyGP · June 30

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

RealLoveBVB · June 30

LadyGP wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

Ah, so you want to say, while everyone have issues logging in etc, they increased the cap to get more players into Cyro? Makes sense.

Einar_Hrafnarsson · June 30

I love Vengeance. Its literally the only time i come back to play ESO. The problem console has is that its population is crawling on its last legs and that it needs to be merged with the PC population. Without enabling Addons/Mods on Console this will not happen though.

exiars10 · June 30

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Really no issues? Red is down to 2 bars, as nobody can't enter anything.
I am glad you have fun - of the cost of everyone else:)

You can see time of screenshot and that was correct statement for the whole time I was there - when I entered (18.30) and exited (19.20), all 3 alliances were constantly full.
Now at 20.08, only my AD alliance is not locked.
EDIT
At 20.10, every alliance is locked.

You posted at 19.54 so I have no idea what was going on. I know there European login issues as I got it several minutes ago, too.

gamergirldk · June 30

well atleast we have no unkillable ball group running around farming in keeps, and op sub burst damage so, i liked it up to getting kicked

jaws343 · June 30

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

Ah, so you want to say, while everyone have issues logging in etc, they increased the cap to get more players into Cyro? Makes sense.

That's literally the point of this test. To push the population caps in an attempt to stress cyrodil and gain data points. No different than the last time they did this on PC. The population caps are absolutely increased right now in vengeance.

amiiegee · June 30

exiars10 wrote: »

How is our PC players fault that OP plays on dead PVP platform?

No issues on master race EU server. I have to wait 15+ min to enter. Cyrodiil zone chat is full of positive comments.
At big battles/sieges I still get playable 75 fps at worst. Ping from my 3rd world Balkan country is stable.

Big beautiful ball groups - 120 fps locked.

Who even said its anyones fault? What is this attitude

Major_Soulless · June 30

Einar_Hrafnarsson wrote: »

I love Vengeance. Its literally the only time i come back to play ESO. The problem console has is that its population is crawling on its last legs and that it needs to be merged with the PC population. Without enabling Addons/Mods on Console this will not happen though.

I agree about population.

And we have started on console getting visual add-ons but we need as you say to get more in depth add-ons like you have on pc

RealLoveBVB · June 30

jaws343 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Why are people using the population bars as a measurement here?

For all we know, 1 bar out of 3 could mean 10,000 of 30,000 players. With no idea of what the cap is, gauging how full or popular the test is by complaining it is only 1 bar is meaningless.

Bingo.

bars change when pop cap changes

Ah, so you want to say, while everyone have issues logging in etc, they increased the cap to get more players into Cyro? Makes sense.

That's literally the point of this test. To push the population caps in an attempt to stress cyrodil and gain data points. No different than the last time they did this on PC. The population caps are absolutely increased right now in vengeance.

You didn't got my point. Everyone had issues logging in and even queueing for stuff, and while that they increased the cap?