IIILaaLaaIII wrote: »

Just a little clarity on the situation since people seem to be confused. The streamer in question was not being stream sniped, not like exploiting when you are being stream sniped changes anything, but they weren't. They were chasing around an FTQ ballgroup attempting to rush of agony them through pillars and other solid objects in an attempt to bug them. This isn't "janky" because of prime time, this is what always happens when you try to rush of agony someone and then jump to shade even further away, through solid objects. People have been banned for this before, as it crashes people from the game. FTQ was ignoring the streamer for the most part, aside from when they would attempt to bug them through walls.

Other streamers attempting to come into the thread and lie about the situation when it has already been recorded and submitted as a report is an odd thing to do. Sticking your neck out for someone who was exploiting and also harassing viewers isn't the best look.

Accidents do happen, but this was not an accident as they were pulled through solid objects multiple times, and attempted to be pulled through them upwards of 5 times.

Please keep conversation to the actual subject at hand, there is no argument as to whether or not the streamer was attempting to pull them through walls, as it happened in the video.

Ok mean streamer man said bad words, meh. But as for the being pulled through a "solid object" the games targeting when it comes to sets like rush absolutely sucks. I myself have pulled people through things using that set. It's not a exploit, it's crappy game design 💁🏼‍♀️

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IIILaaLaaIII wrote: »

Just a little clarity on the situation since people seem to be confused. The streamer in question was not being stream sniped, not like exploiting when you are being stream sniped changes anything, but they weren't. They were chasing around an FTQ ballgroup attempting to rush of agony them through pillars and other solid objects in an attempt to bug them. This isn't "janky" because of prime time, this is what always happens when you try to rush of agony someone and then jump to shade even further away, through solid objects. People have been banned for this before, as it crashes people from the game. FTQ was ignoring the streamer for the most part, aside from when they would attempt to bug them through walls.

Other streamers attempting to come into the thread and lie about the situation when it has already been recorded and submitted as a report is an odd thing to do. Sticking your neck out for someone who was exploiting and also harassing viewers isn't the best look.

Accidents do happen, but this was not an accident as they were pulled through solid objects multiple times, and attempted to be pulled through them upwards of 5 times.

Please keep conversation to the actual subject at hand, there is no argument as to whether or not the streamer was attempting to pull them through walls, as it happened in the video.

Ok mean streamer man said bad words, meh. But as for the being pulled through a "solid object" the games targeting when it comes to sets like rush absolutely sucks. I myself have pulled people through things using that set. It's not a exploit, it's crappy game design 💁🏼‍♀️

Using shade after rush isn't an accident. He attempted to do it multiple times. It isn't lag, a crappy set, game design, that causes that to happen. Just slightly clipping the wall because you were running perpendicular to the rusher at the time the pull happened is one thing, but being pulled directly through a solid object because the player was intentionally using shade is another thing.

Major_Toughness wrote: »

Kinda crazy how the people the streamer was using the "exploit" against, were just watching the stream while fighting the streamer from the opposing alliance, then as soon as the streamer does something they do not like, they start harrassing them in their own chat.

Imagine my shock to then find out they're the same ballgroupers who brigaded the forums against Azureblight dispite it being the only counter to ballgroups, and not an issue for anyone else.

This entire take is built on false assumptions. First, no one was “just watching his stream while fighting him”—that’s pure speculation. If the concern was only raised after the incident, how does that translate to stream-sniping? The more logical explanation is that people noticed something suspicious and checked the VOD to confirm what happened, which is standard in any competitive environment.

Second, the claim that I or other members trying to shred light on streamers abuses were part of some anti-Azureblight brigade is completely false. You can go back to the Azureblight discussions and find me actively arguing in favor of the set as a legitimate counter to ball groups. The idea that I suddenly changed my stance just to push some agenda is ridiculous and falls apart with even the slightest bit of fact-checking.

This response is just another attempt to shift blame and discredit valid criticism instead of actually addressing the issue at hand.

Stamicka wrote: »

Why isn’t it enough to just stop watching and supporting whoever this streamer is? That’s what I would do if there was language used that I didn’t like.

Instead you guys want them deplatformed and punished for making one mistake?

This isn’t just about personally choosing to stop watching someone. The issue is that this streamer is part of the official ESO Stream Team, which means they represent the game and its community in an official capacity. When someone in that position behaves this way, it reflects poorly on the program and the game itself.

No one is saying people should be “deplatformed” for a single mistake, but this isn’t just one slip-up—it’s a pattern of behavior that includes exploiting, harassing viewers, and then deleting the VOD to cover it up. Being part of an official team comes with responsibility and accountability. If they can’t uphold basic standards, then why should they continue to be given that platform by ZOS?

Ignoring bad behavior just allows it to continue. If streamers representing the game aren’t held to a higher standard, then what’s the point of the Stream Team in the first place?

Dragonnord wrote: »

I'm so, so, so disappointed other streamers, even Stream Members, come here to defend the exploiter instead or rejecting what he did.

Well, the problem is that people are being asked to blindly believe that another streamer was exploiting... without any proof of it. How is this any different from all the times someone randomly calls you a "macro cheater" & "exploiter" because you killed them in PvP?

Serious accusations require serious evidence to be taken seriously.


Besides the usual PvP salt, there's very often also a misunderstanding a person might have of a game mechanic or why something that happens, happens. Worst thing about blind accusations is that no one can really even tell what happened or clear potential misunderstandings.

Easiest course of action would be to just report this to ZOS and let them deal with it.


Personally as a streamer what bothers me about this thread is the attempt to control peoples' language usage outside of the game (e.g. on Twitch), that is not ok in my books if mild swear words on another platform are suddenly something worth cancelling people over.


Obviously I'd never condone any exploiting or cheating in any video game.

I was not in Cyrodil at the time, there was no stream sniping happening. I am an EP player, so is the streamer..

The "exploit" mentioned was simply using rush of agony with shade lol

*chewing popcorn*

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Decimus wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I'm so, so, so disappointed other streamers, even Stream Members, come here to defend the exploiter instead or rejecting what he did.

Well, the problem is that people are being asked to blindly believe that another streamer was exploiting... without any proof of it. How is this any different from all the times someone randomly calls you a "macro cheater" & "exploiter" because you killed them in PvP?

Serious accusations require serious evidence to be taken seriously.


Besides the usual PvP salt, there's very often also a misunderstanding a person might have of a game mechanic or why something that happens, happens. Worst thing about blind accusations is that no one can really even tell what happened or clear potential misunderstandings.

Easiest course of action would be to just report this to ZOS and let them deal with it.


Personally as a streamer what bothers me about this thread is the attempt to control peoples' language usage outside of the game (e.g. on Twitch), that is not ok in my books if mild swear words on another platform are suddenly something worth cancelling people over.


Obviously I'd never condone any exploiting or cheating in any video game.

The claim that there’s “no proof” or that people are being asked to “blindly believe” this is completely false. There is actual evidence of what happened, and funnily enough, one of the streamers who jumped into this thread to defend the behavior has a very recent history of being penalized for doing something similar.

This isn’t just PvP salt or random accusations—something did happen. There’s a pattern here, and people aren’t making things up out of nowhere. It’s interesting that certain individuals are quick to dismiss any criticism as “misunderstandings” or “blind accusations” while conveniently ignoring that some of the most vocal defenders here have already been caught engaging in this kind of behavior before.

Trying to reframe this as people attempting to “control language” or “cancel someone for mild swearing” is also completely misleading. The issue isn’t just words—it’s harassment, exploiting, and then attempting to cover it up. If someone wants to argue that nothing happened, they might want to take a closer look at the company they’re defending.

Ah, see... this is what I mean. Since there's been one other streamer posting on this thread I know whom you're talking about, and I know of the... incident.

This is where the line of "is this exploiting or just using obscure game mechanics" comes into play. I would argue that doing the mega jump to catapult yourself in the air isn't really an exploit any more so than something like let's say doing speed jumps to gain a momentum advantage. Either way, better not do that anymore (for anyone) just to be on the safe side, despite people doing it for years before this... incident.

And that suspension was very unfortunate, probably more so a result of mass reports and people disliking the streamer in question than anything game breaking happening.

...and here we are, at a very similar situation. This is why it's important to know exactly what happened, because anything an average player can't do themselves can be considered an exploit by them and it needs to be explained and investigated before jumping into conclusions.

And people most certainly are making things up out of nowhere. I'm not saying whether it is or isn't the case here, but there are people who you can even normally kill in PvP and they will immediately accuse you of the wildest things, despite all of it happening on stream and there being nothing out of the ordinary, apart from the better gameplay.


Regarding the language... since I know which streamer we're talking about I checked the logs - it seems like chatter in question was banned - how can the chatter be harassed by the streamer? This seems like an interaction that went poorly - harassment is something that happens over a long period of time.

Using swear words and banning a viewer isn't harassment.

An individual spending hours (or even days/weeks/years in some cases) following someone around, making sure they can't play the game normally etc... that'd be harassment.

Someone using swear words daily about someone in a public discord, photoshopping pictures of them, trying to find out where they live and so on... that'd be harassment.


It's very important to know the distinction here.

Pain In The Axe wrote: »

Some light on the exploit aspect of this since I was there when this all went down
No Exploit occured, was more like a situational bug due to bad performance in cyrodiil(which obviously happens..)
What was happening was that he was fighting outside on Sejanus Porch using rush of agony. The Streamer was trying to do pulls onto a ball group...

Enough said right here. Ban him. Ban him now. To the deepest depths of oblivion with him and send the rest of the ball group to keep him company