Trust me, I know. I still can hardly look at Falkreath Hold after running it for weeks trying to get the Crimson Diamond lead.ESO_player123 wrote: »It's a matter of preference though. I prefer playing ToT to running trials. A bad drop rate is not unique to ToT. Only in West Weald the leads seem to be showing up on the first/second try (except the one from the daily coffers). Before that, one could have spent countless times tying to get the lead that was needed.
allochthons wrote: »The difference here is that the HoF lead drop is near, if not 100%. As is the one in Volenfell. 1 nHoF through the group finder isn't as bad as 100+ games of ToT.ESO_player123 wrote: »I think this ship sailed already since they also recently added a lead to a HoF that is required for completing the West Weald. So, in the future we can expect leads to show up in a bunch of unrelated places (and not all of us are going to like them).
I played ToT when it came out. Liked it fine. Not my fave, but a decent way to spend a bit of empty time. Then I had to take a break from the game, and when I came back, there were so many new decks that almost everything I'd learned before was useless. And I look at the new decks now, and I just get tired. I am an achievement hunter, but I'll never get that music box.
For most things, I'd agree. For this, it doesn't matter.spartaxoxo wrote: »This is why I think the drop rates for such things should be really high. This way it encourages people to step out of their comfort zones and try new things. If they like it, fantastic. More people having fun. If they don't? Well, at least it didn't last long.
allochthons wrote: »ETA: That is simply waaaaay too much time and effort to ask us to invest, for paltry rewards.
I'm pretty confident that the lead does not come only from ranked. You can play casual against other players.allochthons wrote: »For most things, I'd agree. For this, it doesn't matter.spartaxoxo wrote: »This is why I think the drop rates for such things should be really high. This way it encourages people to step out of their comfort zones and try new things. If they like it, fantastic. More people having fun. If they don't? Well, at least it didn't last long.
If I could get the lead from non-ranked games, not even NPCs, but friends, I'd do it. But the lead only comes from Ranked purses. Maybe even Ranked Victor purses? With 12 decks to learn? Maybe for a mythic as important as Oakensoul or Velothi. Maybe. But probably not. A music box? Not a chance.
Even when there were only 6 decks, and I played most days, I never won ranked matches. Or only did if the person on the other side was clearly completely new. But I'm on console, and there have never (to my knowledge) been that many ToT players on PS/NA to start with, and on console, you can't chat with your opponent.
ETA: That is simply waaaaay too much time and effort to ask us to invest, for paltry rewards.
ESO_player123 wrote: »I'm pretty confident that the lead does not come only from ranked. You can play casual against other players.allochthons wrote: »For most things, I'd agree. For this, it doesn't matter.spartaxoxo wrote: »This is why I think the drop rates for such things should be really high. This way it encourages people to step out of their comfort zones and try new things. If they like it, fantastic. More people having fun. If they don't? Well, at least it didn't last long.
If I could get the lead from non-ranked games, not even NPCs, but friends, I'd do it. But the lead only comes from Ranked purses. Maybe even Ranked Victor purses? With 12 decks to learn? Maybe for a mythic as important as Oakensoul or Velothi. Maybe. But probably not. A music box? Not a chance.
Even when there were only 6 decks, and I played most days, I never won ranked matches. Or only did if the person on the other side was clearly completely new. But I'm on console, and there have never (to my knowledge) been that many ToT players on PS/NA to start with, and on console, you can't chat with your opponent.
ETA: That is simply waaaaay too much time and effort to ask us to invest, for paltry rewards.
SeaGtGruff wrote: »As far as I know, any special items that drop from ToT (leads, mementos, etc.) can be obtained by playing against the NPCs; you do not need to compete against other players.
AnduinTryggva wrote: »I forgot to mention: It is really a no go to hide leads behind PvP activities. For some people PvP is really a stressful activity creating a lot of discomfort. To force people to PvP for completing an antiquity multipart item is a definite no go.
spartaxoxo wrote: »AnduinTryggva wrote: »I forgot to mention: It is really a no go to hide leads behind PvP activities. For some people PvP is really a stressful activity creating a lot of discomfort. To force people to PvP for completing an antiquity multipart item is a definite no go.
And some people find PvE frustrating and try to do as little of it as possible. If someone doesn't like an activity or is not comfortable doing it, they shouldn't do the activity. All the different types of customers deserve to be treated equally. This means leads, achievements, rewards, etc. should be part of all activities. And it up to players to go for the ones they enjoy and are comfortable doing.
SeaGtGruff wrote: »As far as I know, any special items that drop from ToT (leads, mementos, etc.) can be obtained by playing against the NPCs; you do not need to compete against other players.