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Big nerf: damage shield of fatecarver…
subarctic
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Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
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sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
You don't need it. I promise. Keep doing vet trials, stand in front of the healer (not behind - arcs all like to stand behind for some reason!), and don't stand in red. Exhausting does a lil more damage, and just trust your healers. You'll be good.24 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭I struggled a lot in vBRP with the old damage shield, now it will be impossible. Have the Cloudrest Hero achievement with my old arcanist. Now I’m afraid of doing vCR again because I know I will wipe more often and get kicked from the group.2
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Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It still has a shield, as long as the healers are healing you’ll be fine. Don’t give up, trust me, content gets easier the more you do it. vBRP for instance felt impossible the first time I tried it but now it’s pretty whatever, I don’t really die in there anymore.PC/NA Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS/Heal), Trialist (DPS/Tank/Heal), and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore- CP 2000+
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subarctic✭✭✭✭I have played ESO on and off since 2014. I know my limits. I know how it feels to get kicked from a group because I wipe too often.3
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Reginald_leBlem✭✭✭✭✭
✭Isn't it like a 12% nerf?
My damage shield could be buffed up to 30k, which is truly overkill and like running around with a permanent barrier. I did love it, no lie, but also a 12 or 15% decrease isn't going to make or break it.
Slap some CP into bigger damage shields, you'll be fine.4 -
Reginald_leBlem✭✭✭✭✭
✭I struggled a lot in vBRP with the old damage shield, now it will be impossible. Have the Cloudrest Hero achievement with my old arcanist. Now I’m afraid of doing vCR again because I know I will wipe more often and get kicked from the group.
Specifically vCR? A lot of that damage is oblivion damage and cannot be shielded. I suspect in some cases, your shield is acting as a security blanket rather than actually saving you.14 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭I already have Fortified and Bastion in the CP tree.
“you’ll be fine”
Say that to the groups that kick me when dying too often.
I can’t really notice that my dmg has been nerfed, but the shield disappears quickly now. Good players don’t use the shield anyway, so this nerf only excludes less skilled players from vet trials.
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sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I already have Fortified and Bastion in the CP tree.
“you’ll be fine”
Say that to the groups that kick me when dying too often.
I can’t really notice that my dmg has been nerfed, but the shield disappears quickly now. Good players don’t use the shield anyway, so this nerf only excludes less skilled players from vet trials.
You called out vCR as content where you used the shield - the majority of damage in that trial is oblivion damage, which bypasses shields entirely. You are not getting carried by shields in that content.
Arcanist is a fairly easy class to play and even without the shield it opens up a lot of content to people. I think you should keep trying.8 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭@Reginald_leBlem
Not only vCR. vBRP and getting beast personality was hard. But just the placebo of a shield is good when fearing kicks from a group.3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What about relying a little less on the shield to survive? I'm sure you can do it if this little nerf is what's tipping the scales for you.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -7 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭12% nerf is a lot when already living on the edge and pushing the envelope in hard dungeons and vet trials.
Just now I died in a vVatershran boss fight I never died to in the past. He got me during fatecarver when the shield stopped working. Only way to prevent that is to end fatecarver in the middle of the channeling and activate another shield. Now I must pay more attention to my shield bar at the bottom of the screen, which takes focus away from what enemies are doing. Don’t understand why ESO wants to exclude less talented gamers and make it harder for healers.4 -
Reginald_leBlem✭✭✭✭✭
✭I truly think some of this is in your head.
It's not that big of a nerf, to the damage or the shield. The shield also scales to your health, so you can bump it back up by swapping a couple of glyphs out.
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CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Reginald_leBlem wrote: »I truly think some of this is in your head.
It's not that big of a nerf, to the damage or the shield. The shield also scales to your health, so you can bump it back up by swapping a couple of glyphs out.
The shield doesn't scale to your health, it is capped by your health. It scales on your offensive stats.
You wont make it any bigger by adding more health unless you're hitting the cap.
Most people will probably be hitting the cap (in PvE) but not all - check before blindly increasing your health.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on March 11, 2024 4:46PM3 -
Reginald_leBlem✭✭✭✭✭
✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Reginald_leBlem wrote: »I truly think some of this is in your head.
It's not that big of a nerf, to the damage or the shield. The shield also scales to your health, so you can bump it back up by swapping a couple of glyphs out.
The shield doesn't scale to your health, it is capped by your health. It scales on your offensive stats.
You wont make it any bigger by adding more health unless you're hitting the cap.
Most people will probably be hitting the cap (in PvE) but not all - check before blindly increasing your health.
Ah my mistake then.1 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭“I truly think some of this is in your head”
Of course it’s in my head, where else should it be? In outer space?
Lack of talent is in the head. Not chilling because you know kicks are incoming if you die, is in the head too. But I can’t improve it. Have tried the last 10 years. The old arcanist shield helped.
Will groups be more forgiving now that arcanist is nerfed? I doubt it.5 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If anything bye to standing in front of the keelcutters blasting in their faces while they cast their AoE, something that I'm pretty sure we shouldn't have been able to do anyway.
It was an outlier and where I empathise that is something we will miss - I sure will, it provided a modicum of fun and levity - I also understand that it had to go.
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subarctic✭✭✭✭“understand that it had to go.”
Why? Talented gamers don’t use pragmatic fatecarver anyway. Now we get more wipes in PUGs, more toxicity incoming in chat…
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ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭“understand that it had to go.”
Why? Talented gamers don’t use pragmatic fatecarver anyway. Now we get more wipes in PUGs, more toxicity incoming in chat…
Because it was an outlier, it didn't follow the same rules other shields in the game do.
It didn't bother me personally but sure bothered others and they did have a point: 'this shield does not obey the same rules as the rest'.
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Ph1p✭✭✭✭✭
✭“understand that it had to go.”
Why? Talented gamers don’t use pragmatic fatecarver anyway. Now we get more wipes in PUGs, more toxicity incoming in chat…
Literally every Arcanist is The majority of Arcanists are (and most likely will be) using Pragmatic Fatecarver in group PVE, including beginner, intermediate, experienced, and score-pushing players.
You already called the shield a "placebo effect" that's just "in your head", so I have every confidence that you can actually do vet trials and other content. You probably already considered it, but I would also recommend finding a beginner-friendly guild to run trials instead of PUGs, if you are learning.
EDIT: I corrected my original statement about how many Arcanists use the Pragmatic morph, which was too exaggerated.Edited by Ph1p on March 12, 2024 12:35AM6 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭Outliers and abnormality is great!
Having a shield that less talented gamers can use is good for the game. Almost nobody plays vBRP in GF now (EU/PC) since it’s too difficult.2 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭“Literally every Arcanist is (and most likely will be) using Pragmatic Fatecarver in group PVE”
Talented gamers don’t use it, because the other morph has better damage. Only reason I’m using the shield is because I suck.2 -
Ingenon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
Sorry this is happening.
I see this as a bigger issue for folks who do not have above average Light Attack weaving skill. ZOS has at least twice introduced a non LA weaving way to complete (some) veteran content: Oakensoul Ring HA builds, and Arcanist fatecarver builds. And then came back several months after releasing them, and nerf them both (significantly).6 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
Sorry this is happening.
I see this as a bigger issue for folks who do not have above average Light Attack weaving skill. ZOS has at least twice introduced a non LA weaving way to complete (some) veteran content: Oakensoul Ring HA builds, and Arcanist fatecarver builds. And then came back several months after releasing them, and nerf them both (significantly).
The rework of destro staves was an order of magnitude higher in terms of loss of power than this change though.
And still, there were many that were throwing (metaphorical) street parties when they did.4 -
LouisaB75✭✭✭✭Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
I guess mine will be over too. I am about the same level, not that good a player and really enjoyed being able to do some of the harder stuff with my arcanist. Now those days are over it seems.
I hate light weaving and this was the only build I had where it was possible to play without having to try that.
It is the only build where I can do Infinite Archive and vMA, but I strongly suspect I won't be able to now. I couldn't complete vMA without dying at least half a dozen times even before now. I suspect I will be as useless at those as I am at PvP, where even my arcanist build couldn't help me.
Not that I can even try yet because my download is still only at 6% after 30 minutes. Not sure if I will get into the game tonight at all at this rate, which is annoying because after they fixed the whole DLC claiming issue I am still going to miss a day because of the download taking so long. But that is a whole other grumble of course.
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sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭“understand that it had to go.”
Why? Talented gamers don’t use pragmatic fatecarver anyway. Now we get more wipes in PUGs, more toxicity incoming in chat…
Literally every Arcanist is (and most likely will be) using Pragmatic Fatecarver in group PVE, including beginner, intermediate, experienced, and score-pushing players.
You already called the shield a "placebo effect" that's just "in your head", so I have every confidence that you can actually do vet trials and other content. You probably already considered it, but I would also recommend finding a beginner-friendly guild to run trials instead of PUGs, if you are learning.
LOL you are wrong about endgamers using pragmatic. Only time we use it is in 4 man content with 3 DDs and no healer. In trials we use exhausting.1 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Guess my days in vet trials are over. Damn.
Have fun the rest of you who are not unskilled like me (with 1500+ cp…)
Sorry this is happening.
I see this as a bigger issue for folks who do not have above average Light Attack weaving skill. ZOS has at least twice introduced a non LA weaving way to complete (some) veteran content: Oakensoul Ring HA builds, and Arcanist fatecarver builds. And then came back several months after releasing them, and nerf them both (significantly).
It is literally not as bad as you think it is.
Example: My husband is not an endgamer - like we are almost complete opposites when it comes to damage. I once did literally 10x as much damage as he did in a trial when we were both on DDs. Arcanist allowed him to start running more content with me. Not trifectas, but certainly some of the HMs he hasnt seen before.
A few weeks ago he bit the bullet and switched to exhausting because I told him about the upcoming nerf. And you know what? He's still doing fine.4 -
subarctic✭✭✭✭“I hate light weaving and this was the only build I had where it was possible to play without having to try that.”
The dmg nerf is not that bad, Just did vVatershran and dmg pretty ok. Lack of shield made it more dicey. Have not tried any trials yet. Trials are worse because not fun to have spent time on finishing all the first bosses only to risk getting kicked from a group if I often die fighting the last boss. Some people in pug chats can be rather not nice at all if you die too often. That’s not a fun game to play.1 -
I've always used Exhausting. I have a total glass cannon approach to my Arc. Everything about my set up is all about damage and crits. But, I only run trials in a friendly guild where we don't care about wipes. We just have a laugh, learn what went wrong, and try again. I would never run trials in a PUG. Never. Even normal. Had enough bad experiences even in RNDs to not want to try that in a trial. A RND I can shrug off and go do solo content for a bit, it's maybe 10 minutes wasted.0 -
Reginald_leBlem✭✭✭✭✭
✭“understand that it had to go.”
Why? Talented gamers don’t use pragmatic fatecarver anyway. Now we get more wipes in PUGs, more toxicity incoming in chat…
Literally every Arcanist is (and most likely will be) using Pragmatic Fatecarver in group PVE, including beginner, intermediate, experienced, and score-pushing players.
You already called the shield a "placebo effect" that's just "in your head", so I have every confidence that you can actually do vet trials and other content. You probably already considered it, but I would also recommend finding a beginner-friendly guild to run trials instead of PUGs, if you are learning.
LOL you are wrong about endgamers using pragmatic. Only time we use it is in 4 man content with 3 DDs and no healer. In trials we use exhausting.
I use pragmatic and I like that I can just beam through mechanics that otherwise need to be blocked or rolled. I'm not top dd, but I'm consistently in the top 3, and all other arcs including ones doing less damage are using exhausting.
I think the ability to beam through mechanics (which I should still be able to do btw) can make up for the damage lost in the extra second of channel time.
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