FlopsyPrince wrote: »No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
Unachievable?... Come on: OK for trials and horrors, that's long at least, but I got the 15 players in less than 10 minutes just going with my healer in Cyro and firing with a ballista on sieging group from castle walls...
Vonnegut2506 wrote: »I had never done Aetherian Archive before this week. I joined a pug in the group finder. From start to finish the entire thing took 26 minutes, and that is because the same person died twice falling off cliffs and we had to wait for them to run back. No explanation of any boss mechanic at all. The longest amount of time was trying to herd cats to stand on the 12 shiny spaces multiple times.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
Unachievable?... Come on: OK for trials and horrors, that's long at least, but I got the 15 players in less than 10 minutes just going with my healer in Cyro and firing with a ballista on sieging group from castle walls...
So you did it in less than 10 minutes. You are either great at PvP or at least found a large battle. None of those the times I have checked on EU, including just recently.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
Unachievable?... Come on: OK for trials and horrors, that's long at least, but I got the 15 players in less than 10 minutes just going with my healer in Cyro and firing with a ballista on sieging group from castle walls...
So you did it in less than 10 minutes. You are either great at PvP or at least found a large battle. None of those the times I have checked on EU, including just recently.
Then wait for the event, as I already suggested in one of the many multiple threads on this subject… There are definitely times when the campaigns are quieter, and I can see why you might have trouble doing the endeavor right now if you’re unfortunate enough to only have play time available during the very brief period of time when there are no zergs on Grey Host, but you will absolutely not struggle to find a zerg during the event… And as others have also suggested, you could even trade kills if you wanted with a friend or guild mate on another alliance (like people already do for the duelling endeavors).
Sigh, anyway, I think this will be my last reply on this subject.It’s exhausting trying to help people who have convinced themselves that this is all just too difficult, and it’s exhausting having to repeat the same advice that just ends up getting ignored. Complain away. I’m done trying to help. Hopefully the advice at least gets through to others who might be reading and open to taking advice.
Yes, they obviously review them.
Midyear Mayhem starts this week, hence the theme.
I feel like if I don't care enough to respond, these loud voices may discourage other casual players from even trying to complete endeavors this week, and end up further entrenching misconceptions about different types of content in the game.
People have just gotten so rude, unreasonable, and prone to spreading misinformation online in recent years. It has become so difficult to have a reasonable, rational conversation.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
Unachievable?... Come on: OK for trials and horrors, that's long at least, but I got the 15 players in less than 10 minutes just going with my healer in Cyro and firing with a ballista on sieging group from castle walls...
So you did it in less than 10 minutes. You are either great at PvP or at least found a large battle. None of those the times I have checked on EU, including just recently.
Then wait for the event, as I already suggested in one of the many multiple threads on this subject… There are definitely times when the campaigns are quieter, and I can see why you might have trouble doing the endeavor right now if you’re unfortunate enough to only have play time available during the very brief period of time when there are no zergs on Grey Host, but you will absolutely not struggle to find a zerg during the event… And as others have also suggested, you could even trade kills if you wanted with a friend or guild mate on another alliance (like people already do for the duelling endeavors).
Sigh, anyway, I think this will be my last reply on this subject.It’s exhausting trying to help people who have convinced themselves that this is all just too difficult, and it’s exhausting having to repeat the same advice that just ends up getting ignored. Complain away. I’m done trying to help. Hopefully the advice at least gets through to others who might be reading and open to taking advice.
I feel like if I don't care enough to respond, these loud voices may discourage other casual players from even trying to complete endeavors this week, and end up further entrenching misconceptions about different types of content in the game.
I understand. Although I'm not sure if there are many people who come here without a stable opinion. Most already seem to have one and no willingness even to think about it, so the risk of influencing them somehow seems minimal.
Also, I'm wondering if finding trials and PvP too difficult is really the main reason for many not to do it. As the topic of social anxiety came up several times, it's possibly more about interaction with others, including drama? In that case, forum drama would be another problem, I guess, only reinforcing the sentiment that interaction with other players will end unpleasantly.
I mean, I don't even have social phobia (or any phobias, or social-interaction-related problems), but when I come across some rude, overemotional forum posts, I too sometimes think "Gladly I'm playing on my own most of the time, so I don't have to waste my precious freetime with drama like this". It might sound harsh to some, I know. But why would I like to spend my evening with people yelling, hurling insults or ragequitting if I want to have a good time? I don't want to imagine how this feels for people who aren't just annoyed by this type of behavior, but who actually feel scared by it.People have just gotten so rude, unreasonable, and prone to spreading misinformation online in recent years. It has become so difficult to have a reasonable, rational conversation.
Has it ever been better here at the forum? Unfortunately, I'm not sure about that. Either way, I don't really care anymore, when it comes to "heated discussions". It's always the same, it's not getting better, I don't want to invest much time into it anymore, it's not my resposibility either. So I mostly ignore it when it starts again, focussing only on comments where a decent discussion seems possible.
MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
Unachievable?... Come on: OK for trials and horrors, that's long at least, but I got the 15 players in less than 10 minutes just going with my healer in Cyro and firing with a ballista on sieging group from castle walls...
So you did it in less than 10 minutes. You are either great at PvP or at least found a large battle. None of those the times I have checked on EU, including just recently.
Then wait for the event, as I already suggested in one of the many multiple threads on this subject… There are definitely times when the campaigns are quieter, and I can see why you might have trouble doing the endeavor right now if you’re unfortunate enough to only have play time available during the very brief period of time when there are no zergs on Grey Host, but you will absolutely not struggle to find a zerg during the event… And as others have also suggested, you could even trade kills if you wanted with a friend or guild mate on another alliance (like people already do for the duelling endeavors).
Sigh, anyway, I think this will be my last reply on this subject.It’s exhausting trying to help people who have convinced themselves that this is all just too difficult, and it’s exhausting having to repeat the same advice that just ends up getting ignored. Complain away. I’m done trying to help. Hopefully the advice at least gets through to others who might be reading and open to taking advice.
Well you have convinced me to at least normal trials a try. :-) I'm still nervous about it, and in the end might not be for me but I think I should try it once before I give up on it.
Not at all. Unless I plan on being in IC or Cyro for a while, I don't usually group. I'll just do quests solo or join in with any battles I fancy. I did a lot of scout quests as a newbie, with the other quests ready if I did join battles and got some kills. Then if it's going well and seems busy enough, I might group and stick around.FlopsyPrince wrote: »This once again assumes a group to run with. Yeah, zergs in Cyrodiil can do well, but they are not always available.
CalamityCat wrote: »Not at all. Unless I plan on being in IC or Cyro for a while, I don't usually group. I'll just do quests solo or join in with any battles I fancy. I did a lot of scout quests as a newbie, with the other quests ready if I did join battles and got some kills. Then if it's going well and seems busy enough, I might group and stick around.FlopsyPrince wrote: »This once again assumes a group to run with. Yeah, zergs in Cyrodiil can do well, but they are not always available.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »General note:
Saying "You can do Trials much shorter in Craglorn and here is how" is much better than saying" I can do 4 at 20 minutes each!
I will bet most players like myself cannot do them that fast, however easy they are.
Same with finding a group in Cyrodiil. I know, I tried multiple times. Not enough are playing during those times.
Noting things may be doable is better than just saying "you are wrong, it is not hard".
Necrotech_Master wrote: »and you say "I will bet most players like myself cannot do them that fast, however easy they are.", first of all, you are not doing trials by yourself, you would be part of a group, it would have to be a completely very "new player" group to probably take more than 30 min on a normal aetherian archive or hel ra citadel
FlopsyPrince wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »and you say "I will bet most players like myself cannot do them that fast, however easy they are.", first of all, you are not doing trials by yourself, you would be part of a group, it would have to be a completely very "new player" group to probably take more than 30 min on a normal aetherian archive or hel ra citadel
I have enough experience with really rough pug dungeon groups that I remain skeptical.
Though I don't think I have run a single Trial in ESO. I did a few in other games, very few, but none here yet.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »This week:
- Kill 15 Players in Cyrodiil
- Defeat 7 Patrolling Horrors
- Complete 7 Trials
No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
I have never run a Trial in ESO. Finding a group going after Patrolling Horrors is difficult and they are hard for many to solo. And that ignores the threat of being ganked.
I am fodder in Cyrodiil, not a player killer.
Yeah, I know some of you can solo all of these playing with your feet and your eyes closed, but many and likely most of us cannot!
Endeavors already don't make much, don't put an unneeded wall around them!
just because i have seen normal AA being recommended for a first normal trial in this and the other thread.
Aetherian Archive is not the trial i would recommend to people to try unless you also mention the White Light Flash that occurs at the portals.
they're just like the Flash caused by Hardmode Scrolls in the base game and imperial city dungeons.
a few times during the trial there are 12 portal stones to stand on for going to the next area.
if you are sensitive to light be sure to either choose a different trial or cover your eyes when you step onto the portal stones.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »This week:
- Kill 15 Players in Cyrodiil
- Defeat 7 Patrolling Horrors
- Complete 7 Trials
No option for normal players. Please always have SOMETHING that most of us can do, not unachievable goals!
I have never run a Trial in ESO. Finding a group going after Patrolling Horrors is difficult and they are hard for many to solo. And that ignores the threat of being ganked.
I am fodder in Cyrodiil, not a player killer.
Yeah, I know some of you can solo all of these playing with your feet and your eyes closed, but many and likely most of us cannot!
Endeavors already don't make much, don't put an unneeded wall around them!
This is during MYM so there will be a lot of people in Cyrodiil that are not normally there. This means there are a bunch of people who are not hardened vets. Get a group of people together and this shouldn't be hard. Grab a build guide, do a little research, put together a build and have fun!
Vonnegut2506 wrote: »just because i have seen normal AA being recommended for a first normal trial in this and the other thread.
Aetherian Archive is not the trial i would recommend to people to try unless you also mention the White Light Flash that occurs at the portals.
they're just like the Flash caused by Hardmode Scrolls in the base game and imperial city dungeons.
a few times during the trial there are 12 portal stones to stand on for going to the next area.
if you are sensitive to light be sure to either choose a different trial or cover your eyes when you step onto the portal stones.
Don't know if it's the easiest or not, but it was open in group finder when I decided to see how long it actually took to do a Craglorn trial since I had never tried one before. I can say that it was much easier than any vet dungeon I have tried and actually easier than some of the DLC normal dungeons. If you don't think you can do a trial, try one of the Craglorn trials. I'm pretty sure it will change your mind about trial difficulty.
CalamityCat wrote: »I think you can look at these endeavors as a negative, or as the opportunity to try some different content. Normal trials are certainly within the reach of "normal" players. This is an ideal week to at least try one or two trials, rather than avoiding content you might end up enjoying. Same with PvP.
I wasn't keen on trials and thought they'd be too hard for me. Then my partner dragged me into one without warning lol. I hadn't read a guide or anything beforehand, so I didn't know the mechanics or what to expect. I think I died once. It really wasn't hard. There are friendly guilds who do dungeons and trials in a more fun/casual way.
The first PvP event that I did was while I was a newbie, maybe level 35. Clueless about PvP in ESO. I got too nervous when I was attacked to fight properly! I don't love being in groups with strangers either. But I stuck with it and often did quests solo in Cyrodiil when it was quiet. Now I'm a less newbie healer in a PvP guild and it's a really good laugh on raid nights. It honestly doesn't take long for a group you're in to kill 15 people! There are friendly, supportive guilds and random players who will help if you ask.
I still find Imperial City hard. But again, if you run with a group when fewer people are around, you can do what you need and be finished for the week.