When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Only if you regard the many hours spent accumulating endeavour seals as "free".Billium813 wrote: »I like that they are mostly activities that I do anyway (Defeat enemies using Class or Weapon abilities, Harvest resource nodes, Complete 1 Dungeon, ect), allowing me to passively save up for some nice crown store items! It's a nice thing to see that completion status on the screen and I go "oh ya! Endeavors is a thing! Nice!".
I also like that sometimes they are activities that I don't do normally and now have a minor incentive to do those things! Usually, I complete one of the generic endeavors like those I listed above and that prompts me to check what the others are. That then leads me to see more specific ones (like earning Tel Var, or complete Arenas, or play BG) and it gives me an excuse to go play other content! It's subtle and minor enough (a couple seals missed if I don't do it) that I don't feel SUPER COMPELLED to go do it. BUT it's also a nice excuse to go to guild chat and be like "Anyone want to group for a BG? It's the endeavor for the day."
TLDR; I think the Endeavor system is subtly good in a way players don't give it credit for. It should be appreciated for the easy, slow burn rather than complain that you don't get what you want NOW; like some petulant child! It's FREEEEEEE!
Only if you regard the many hours spent accumulating endeavour seals as "free".Billium813 wrote: »I like that they are mostly activities that I do anyway (Defeat enemies using Class or Weapon abilities, Harvest resource nodes, Complete 1 Dungeon, ect), allowing me to passively save up for some nice crown store items! It's a nice thing to see that completion status on the screen and I go "oh ya! Endeavors is a thing! Nice!".
I also like that sometimes they are activities that I don't do normally and now have a minor incentive to do those things! Usually, I complete one of the generic endeavors like those I listed above and that prompts me to check what the others are. That then leads me to see more specific ones (like earning Tel Var, or complete Arenas, or play BG) and it gives me an excuse to go play other content! It's subtle and minor enough (a couple seals missed if I don't do it) that I don't feel SUPER COMPELLED to go do it. BUT it's also a nice excuse to go to guild chat and be like "Anyone want to group for a BG? It's the endeavor for the day."
TLDR; I think the Endeavor system is subtly good in a way players don't give it credit for. It should be appreciated for the easy, slow burn rather than complain that you don't get what you want NOW; like some petulant child! It's FREEEEEEE!
I do lots of different activities when I play the game, endeavours are just one of these. There are some crown store items I want to get, but I refuse to support gambling via crown crates (and gems), and the items I want aren't purchaseable by crowns. My only option is to accumulate enough endeavour seals to get these items. So I'm just playing the game as intended, not doing it wrongly.Billium813 wrote: »Only if you regard the many hours spent accumulating endeavour seals as "free".Billium813 wrote: »I like that they are mostly activities that I do anyway (Defeat enemies using Class or Weapon abilities, Harvest resource nodes, Complete 1 Dungeon, ect), allowing me to passively save up for some nice crown store items! It's a nice thing to see that completion status on the screen and I go "oh ya! Endeavors is a thing! Nice!".
I also like that sometimes they are activities that I don't do normally and now have a minor incentive to do those things! Usually, I complete one of the generic endeavors like those I listed above and that prompts me to check what the others are. That then leads me to see more specific ones (like earning Tel Var, or complete Arenas, or play BG) and it gives me an excuse to go play other content! It's subtle and minor enough (a couple seals missed if I don't do it) that I don't feel SUPER COMPELLED to go do it. BUT it's also a nice excuse to go to guild chat and be like "Anyone want to group for a BG? It's the endeavor for the day."
TLDR; I think the Endeavor system is subtly good in a way players don't give it credit for. It should be appreciated for the easy, slow burn rather than complain that you don't get what you want NOW; like some petulant child! It's FREEEEEEE!
I think if you are spending "many hours" focusing down endeavors, you're doing it wrong. It sounds like you are treating the endeavors as a chore, rather than plus. What do you do when you play? Just writs and log off? Go play some different content.
When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
I never mentioned the use of XP scrolls at dolmens, so where did that come from?One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
Personally, I'd consider the use of XP scrolls at a dolmen to be every bit as much of an abuse.
When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
I never mentioned the use of XP scrolls at dolmens, so where did that come from?One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
Personally, I'd consider the use of XP scrolls at a dolmen to be every bit as much of an abuse.
Thanks, I appreciate the info, and will keep that in mind for the next time.SeaGtGruff wrote: »When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
I have a few locations that I know about, which I check whenever this endeavor comes up. It can take a little while to find one, but usually less than half an hour:
- Alik'r Desert: This is my usual go-to location. There's one that spawns in Satakalaam, in a niche or tomb in the rock wall a bit to the right of the doorway leading to the Motalion Necropolis. If it isn't there, I go inside the Motalion Necropolis because there are a few that spawn in the niches or tombs throughout there.
- Bal Foyen: There's one that spawns on a ledge overlooking the water, by a cushion and other stuff, just east of Fort Zeren.
- Glenumbra: There's one that spawns under the little bridge that's between Daggerfall and Deleyn's Mill.
- Vvardenfell: There's one that spawns by a gravestone or memorial on a hillside between the Molag Mar Wayshrine and the Shrine of Azura. There's also one that spawns up on a hill facing the ruins north of the West Gash Wayshrine that are overrun by vampires, near a treasure chest just before you get to Salothan's Council.
Obviously there are many, many more throughout the many zones, but those are ones that have stuck in my mind and are easy for me to remember. I don't use addons, but I'm sure there are addons that indicate where they spawn. However, I'd rather go to a few locations I know about and keep checking until one spawns than ride all over creation checking every spawning point in one zone after another.
I never mentioned anything about dolmens, so please stop mentioning them in relation to my posts.I never mentioned the use of XP scrolls at dolmens, so where did that come from?One easy solution to that is to link the endeavour seals to XP, this would be difficult to abuse I think.When the recent thieves trove endeavour appeared, I spent a few hours trying to find one, and it very quickly stopped being a fun game. That's one of my least favourite endeavours. I like the suggestion earlier in the thread that we should accumulate some endeavour seals just from time played.
Too easy to abuse, just like the Twitch drops (although why anyone would bother to set up a muted stream on their phone while at work just to get an emote is utterly beyond me).
Personally, I'd consider the use of XP scrolls at a dolmen to be every bit as much of an abuse.
You stated your opinion that endeavours should be linked to XP which couldn't be easily abused. If that were the case, it automatically follows that people would complete their endeavours in the fasted possible way, namely by using XP scrolls at a dolmen. I would consider that an abuse of the system of linking endeavours to XP, wouldn't you?
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