reggielee wrote: »

it does autoloot if you have that enabled but there is a small blip of time where it asks you to press r to loot before it autoloots,

I have never seen that.

pokebreaker wrote: »

Tipsy wrote: »

If you engage with mobs guarding the chest you should get the rights to the chest as long as the mobs guarding the chest do not kill you

When picking locked chests, after successfully picking the lock, it automatically starts looting the box, without you have to do anything else ( I know because I let it happen everytime). It may not auto-loot it straight to your inventory, but it does bring up the loot window for you to select the items. While that loot window is open for you, another player cannot loot the chest, due to it already being interacted with, similar to trying to simultaneously loot a gathering node; if one person starts, nobody else can start, UNLESS the initial looter drops from the loot window for whatever reason (inventory management, character screen, etc.)

In the case of a Lock Box, if another player finds the chest as well, then it is fair game for them to capitalize on your failures; whether it be picking the lock after you failed to, or taking the contents because you were in a rush to get there first, and didn't realize you didn't have room for the potential items. Afterall, they found the box as well. It's not like when you found it, you put out some beacon advertising that boxes' location to someone in another zone. They were in the same area, possibly going for it as well, but you happened to get to it first (probably laughing maniacally).

You flat out disregard the comments of people on this thread who clearly said they've experienced different chest behavior, including having the loot window up but the items not available for looting. And you then proceed to give this obvious description of the normal chest behavior we're all aware of. So basically your calling anyone who claims to have not experienced that behavior liars? You'r saying it's against the laws of physics for them to be telling the truth and there being a possible lag-related or code-related window someone could be taking advantage of?

Combat, looting, questing, crafting...

This entire game is a crapshoot.

They need to hire Fix-It Felix.

And fire Wreck-It Ralph.

Look dont mean to sound like a jerk here but first off
i always make sure i have space when im out in the eso world.
And when im getting close to being full i head back to town.

And to be honest since i got to vr 1 { im almost 4 now} chest
are nice but most of the time this is what i fine {some gold about 50-60 a green
item and maybe a grand soul gem. So really not a big deal.

I would get nuts when i see a master chest but dam my last 3 had the above
items in it so like i said not a big deal.

pokebreaker wrote: »

When picking locked chests, after successfully picking the lock, it automatically starts looting the box, without you have to do anything else ( I know because I let it happen everytime). It may not auto-loot it straight to your inventory, but it does bring up the loot window for you to select the items. While that loot window is open for you, another player cannot loot the chest, due to it already being interacted with, similar to trying to simultaneously loot a gathering node; if one person starts, nobody else can start, UNLESS the initial looter drops from the loot window for whatever reason (inventory management, character screen, etc.)

In the case of a Lock Box, if another player finds the chest as well, then it is fair game for them to capitalize on your failures; whether it be picking the lock after you failed to, or taking the contents because you were in a rush to get there first, and didn't realize you didn't have room for the potential items. Afterall, they found the box as well. It's not like when you found it, you put out some beacon advertising that boxes' location to someone in another zone. They were in the same area, possibly going for it as well, but you happened to get to it first (probably laughing maniacally).

The fact is that this is one of the things in the game at the moment that I don't like having other players around;It does quite the opposite of encouraging players to approach eachother and therefor is a bad system...
Heck I don't even care if they got to it first
But if they let me to rot with the mobs that guard the treasure chest just to ninja it away, they are scumbags

i'm not positive, as i don't know the actual mechanics of the game... but from the animations and 'flow' of the "lockpicking and looting" of a chest;

It appears to be two separate objects. One is a 'locked chest' of X difficulty... all players can see this chest within a particular range of the chest. Once a player successfully picks the lock of the X difficulty chest, it is then replaced by the game with a lootable chest.

It would make perfect sense, if this is actually how this feature works in the game.

"Lockpicker" unlocks the chest;
"Ninja" run by just as "Lockpicker" is finishing with the last tumbler.
If you pay attention and look really closely, the chest flashes briefly [probably when the two chests are being swapped; 'locked' chest-prop substituted for a 'lootable' chest-prop]
"Ninja" looter can now interact with the 'lootable' chest-prop, and gets your lockpicked goods before your lockpicking window interface closes completely, and you're S.o.L.

Like i said, i don't know the exact mechanics, but just from observing my wife doing the lockpicking and me trying to ninja-nab the loot, it seems to be a repeatable flaw more often than not.

Edit:
Suggested solution: Make the chests a "mini-quest" ...once someone opens the chest window and attempts to pick the lock, they 'accept' the quest automatically from the chest. If they pick the lock, they fulfill the requirements of the quest, and are rewarded with the loot, within a quest-completion 'parameters' window. This means that the game wouldn't actually have a chest with items in it, rather, the items would be generated upon completion of the 'quest' [once you finish the last tumbler, a new window pops up for YOU with the loot in it] ...not a chest that anyone can access.

Simply put a timer or proximity requirement on the 'chest quest' and the feature shouldn't function any differently [from a players perspective] than the current setup, while [hopfully] resolving the 'ninja loot' issue.


Again, i have no idea if this is even how the game does the lockpicking/chests, but hey, it sounded good in my brain!

whoever got first to it=fine..(although one might be slightly disgusted at times by the behavior of the other,it is 'fair')
Its in the situation where there are mobs to be fought in order to get to the chest that it gets injust when someone runs in while you are engaged and ninjas what you are fighting for.

When there is combat in a radius around the treasure chest,
nobody should be able to loot the chest until combat is over.
Then there should be something like a roll system for whoever participated in that battle.
Then if they fail to break the lock the other one(s) can try..
At least it would be fair that way in the situation where one is in combat to get to the chest,
players that arrive later should not just be able to ninja ans reap the reward of other player's effort

A little preparation never hurt anyone. When I'm in a dungeon and I know I'm going to be opening chests, I always clear my inventory, it's really simple to do and very effective if you make it a regular habit.

I understand how annoying it is to have someone pinch your chests, but I've done it to many people because I know that they are standing behind me waiting for me to either fail the lockpick or have a full inventory.

A bound-system would be really good to help prevent it. If there's rare items that the person doesn't want, he can just trade it away.

I have auto loot enabled and just checked, unlock chest soon as lock tumblers are correct the loot is put in my backpack.
Only chest it doesnt do this with is the map/ce map chests but i assume others cant see them without map and then it would be their own instanced one.

@pokebreaker
selling vamp and werewolf bits is exploiting,not as intended.
If you support it I think its safe to say we are not on the same wavelength..To me that is morally wrong,not the kind of players I want to hang around with.
But that is not important,and to hell with the reasons of a person purchasing the game.Games have one purpose-amusement.
So if a bunch devotes their time making the experience for other players miserable,you support their decision to do so?
Because that is exactly what these ww and vamp bite sellers do.Do you think they actually camp these mobs for enjoyment?
No,simply to abuse other players through exploiting a game system that was not intended that way.

These that ninja chests away grief other players.
its not a matter of being a buddy with everyone..you surely won't make many that way either..
If you can't see the injustice when 1 player engages with mobs in order to get to a guarded chest
while another one takes advantage of the combat situation and ninjas the chest away you engaged in combat for in the first place..
So you'd justify it by "well that player is probably just as selfish anyway"? I call BS
If there is combat for the treasure,lets be fair about it.
if you are working for months on a paper and someone would steal it last day and take all the credit would be the same
Should we share,buddy buddy blabla ? well if the system would be fair at least there would be more chance to end on friendly terms with players you encounter

If you then say 'there should be no expectations of someone to just let you have it freely' why are we even in an argument?
Because that is exactly what the ninjas do;they freely take what others have to fight for.
And I'd love the /spitface command at moments when that happens..
I was speaking generally while you attempted a personal attack (with the jail this and blabla)..thats a difference.
I however delivered it in a furious mood,perhaps I should have gave it more time before posting
And for your prejudice about me,I find it rather strange that you disagree while you actually kinda agreed..

Tipsy wrote: »

@pokebreaker
selling vamp and werewolf bits is exploiting,not as intended.
If you support it I think its safe to say we are not on the same wavelength..To me that is morally wrong,not the kind of players I want to hang around with.
But that is not important,and to hell with the reasons of a person purchasing the game.Games have one purpose-amusement.
So if a bunch devotes their time making the experience for other players miserable,you support their decision to do so?
Because that is exactly what these ww and vamp bite sellers do.Do you think they actually camp these mobs for enjoyment?
No,simply to abuse other players through exploiting a game system that was not intended that way.

These that ninja chests away grief other players.
its not a matter of being a buddy with everyone..you surely won't make many that way either..
If you can't see the injustice when 1 player engages with mobs in order to get to a guarded chest
while another one takes advantage of the combat situation and ninjas the chest away you engaged in combat for in the first place..
So you'd justify it by "well that player is probably just as selfish anyway"? I call BS
If there is combat for the treasure,lets be fair about it.
if you are working for months on a paper and someone would steal it last day and take all the credit would be the same
Should we share,buddy buddy blabla ? well if the system would be fair at least there would be more chance to end on friendly terms with players you encounter

If you then say 'there should be no expectations of someone to just let you have it freely' why are we even in an argument?
Because that is exactly what the ninjas do;they freely take what others have to fight for.
And I'd love the /spitface command at moments when that happens..
I was speaking generally while you attempted a personal attack (with the jail this and blabla)..thats a difference.
I however delivered it in a furious mood,perhaps I should have gave it more time before posting
And for your prejudice about me,I find it rather strange that you disagree while you actually kinda agreed..

There is nothing wrong with selling a service, if someone is willing to pay for it, and it is within TOS. Selling a bite and camping the mobs are two different things, both of which I support another player being able to, because it's not against TOS. However, I do frown upon the latter and do not partake in it myself. ZOS has stated "Accepting of real money" and "Scamming other players" as being a punishable offenses. Anything they make publicly available, should be expected to be strongly competed over, to the dislike of some/many. If the competition proves to be too much for the playerbase to handle, I'm sure ZOS would make adjustments so the competition factor is removed.

If a group of people find amusement in making other player's time miserable, and it is NOT against TOS, then I have no choice but to support it. That doesn't mean that I can't recognize it as being crappy, and call people out on their choice to be that way. There is no point to having rules, if we aren't allowed to operate within the upper limits of those rules. There are rules covering Trolling, griefing, scamming, spamming, etc. However, there is nothing covering ninja looting, because the whole point of public loots, is to spark competition, otherwise the Chests and Nodes would be personally instanced to just your character, similar to looting Chests, Wardrobes, Dressers, and Desks. Gathering nodes, Chests, and WW/Vamp spawns are pretty much the only thing in the game that can be competed for; so it's not like they even make up a significant fraction of the games personally available content.

There is no point in bringing real-life situations back into the argument. Behavior in real-life have far more drastic consequences than anything this game or any other could simulate. My initial usage of it was purely a sarcastic response to your initial statements.

Is it crappy that someone got ninja'd while fighting mobs? Yes. Should they be annoyed? Yes. Should it be changed so they can't ninja? No, not as long as the items remain public loot. There are tactics to combatting potential ninjas. It's kind of like the tactics you learn to employ when playing on a PvP server (in other MMOs). There are ways you have to check your surroundings, and fight mobs, before doing certain other things, to ensure you aren't fully susceptible to being ganked.

I think the problem is that this game is too Cooperative, to the point where acts of "survival of the fittest", are so uncommon, that when they happen, it seems egregious. When some play MMORPGs, they expect there to be a competition for public items, even amongst players of the same faction. With this game combining PvP, PvE, and RP type players into one big server, it causes a massive clash of interests. Seemingly the PvP type players are the ones largely unfulfilled in the open-world, so they end up getting that fulfillment from messing with players of the same faction, because there are no other viable options (I don't count Cyrodiil).

I don't have a prejudice against you. It was merely a reflection of what you were doing by making the comments you were making about others, who are not here to retort. There is a productive way to voice your concerns, without having to make ambiguous threats of violence (which you later clarified were digital in nature), and "general" name calling. While I'm no forum police, I do like to engage in those conversations on the grounds that there are multiple sides to the issues, and just because it seems we're in a place where everyone agrees, doesn't mean that everyone agrees.