Dagobertfuk wrote: »

Since the most sorcs cant come up with an own setup and only copy marrohirs bow sorc build from reddit, [snip]

As if other classes don't have these "copy-paste" builds....

Dagobertfuk wrote: »

Since the most sorcs cant come up with an own setup and only copy marrohirs bow sorc build from reddit, [snip]

The reality is most people who abused that build running around with bow + Savage WW and Oakensoul are not Sorc mains, they're bandwaggoners that hop from 1 OP setup to the next, leaving nerfs in their wake. The same people that jumped to 1 shot Sorc that basically got proc CDs added to the game then left the class entirely when it was nerfed. The same people that jumped to shock heavy attack set stacking when the sets added their damage to each tick. It's always the same people that chase the most busted builds because they have more fun winning than they do playing a class they enjoy, they enjoy all the classes.

I played a few BGs a week or 2 after the live patch dropped, I was melted by 3-4 ranged Stam Sorcs with insane preasure and I just said nope, not interested.

I haven't touched BGs since and I use to play it everyday in previous patches, despite the CW buff, I have yet to really enjoy it on live and I've mained Stam Sorc since launch. I'd rather play BGs when Dark Convergence was at it's worst, thats say something. No interest to play something so busted, nor a 1 bar build.

Blame falls on:

1. ZOS for overly buffing CW 1 patch in the name of making it "unique" to only over buff it despite feedback saying they went too far.
2. ZOS for allowing clearly OP sets to reach live server - again, ignoring feedback.
3. ZOS for nerfing an entire class because of 2 sets when the problems they quoted for changes were never present before those sets were abused in the first place.
4. Bandwagoners.

@Tannus15 Thanks for the parse. Thats good to see.

For those not aware, CW now has the same cost of regular stam/melee spammables at 2700 * 0.85, aka 2295. This wasn't listed anywhere in the notes.

While it's better than week 1, it's still not what I'd call a great or unique class spammable, I don't find a dummy parse to be the best way to illustrate that, but it certainly helps.

The takeaway is you're no longer punished for not properly weaving a skill inbetween itself, you're at least getting your money's worth for the 2295 stamina you spent in comparison to other spammables. The 6 seconds ensures you can manage to proc it. The 30% extra damage tick on the follow up ends up just being a plus for the cost you spent if you happen to weave it as intended.

Crsystal Weapon still has the problem of the ranks only providing a bonus to the penetration granted. Eg. at rank 1 pen = 700, rank 4 = 1000. This is a lame ranking decision.

Other similar skills like Crushing Weapon or Surprise Attack gain about 1% damage per rank, which puts them above the melee damage standard they're based on.

Surprise Attack doesn't rank up in off balance, crit chance or sundered effectiveness so why does Crystal Weapon? It's arbitrary.

I'd like to see 1 or all of few things changed:

1. Ranking changed from the Pen bonus to base tooltip (results in about 4.4% damage buff).
2. Pen increased from 1k to a larger number. We've got spammables handing out 300 damage, 1k pen seems very low.
3. The Pen completely removed in favour of Sundered like Surprise Attack. This would keep it different from Crushing Weapon's Major Breach, offering more pen than the 1k, but having it capped as it's a named debuff. This would also boost the dps of the spammable by a small margin making it more competitive to universal skills like Wrecking Blow, Silver Shards, Flurry, Snipe or Crushing Weapon.. All of which currently have larger tooltips, deflating any purpose the extra 30% tick gives on CW.

Class spammables should be unique and powerful, not underwhelming and scratching at the fence between being viable vs other universal spammables. This goes for Jabs which is seeing similar treatment.

If it was up to me, I'd remove the -10% cost on the next skill cast to make more room as Sorc has more than enough sustain related passives.

Real Quick... Bound Araments is worth using now, no complaints there, but I still which they'd give it some much needed quality of life:

1. Don't like the 8% Stamina, weak in comparison to the 300 damage floating around other classes, but if it had to stay, at least make it attached to the active portion of the skill instead of for passively slotting. Gone are the days where Stam Sorcs double bar Bound Armaments, please fix this.
2. Give 2 daggers for a heavy attack like NB's bow proc.
3. Think about increasing the duration of all skills like this to 60s baseline as they're not fun to manage. This should of been a priority for a patch that was suppose to make skill management easier.
4. If they won't increase the duration, bare minimum let us refresh the duration when we have 1 dagger and no target. It's extremely clunky in it's current design.
5. Can the skill be less telegraphed at 0.3s cast time intervals, it takes 1.2s to completely fire off and that is coupled with minimum projectile travel time, it's basically the easiest skill to dodge in the game.

Sorcerer was never S++ tier or something that deserved this many nerfs. It was working just good.
I kept telling to myself and others that "I hope they don't touch Sorcerer, because it is balanced and performs well."
I was hoping they would bring other magicka specs to Sorcerer level for variety of choices.
But they went with opposite and nerfed Sorcerer, brought Magplar and Magdk to top.
Now these two are nerfed something else will come up top.

Crushing/elemental weapon is horrible in cyro as soon as some tiny lag occurs. Crystal weapon on live allows me at least to reliably to medium weave destro properly with CS.

Pelanora wrote: »

Navigating the forums for intel on what to play is obviously not as good as playing and learning, but it's hard to play, when you just die. So one navigates the forums. And they can be very conflicting.

But you should always take into consideration that the PTS forum discusses a different (future) version of the game - the shape of things to come so to speak. Therefore, what appears to be conflicting information may simply be due to the changes ZOS does to the game.

Edit: fixed some typos.