JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

As about DPS tank unfortunatly it is not possible in game on current moment ( because to do damage you need high stats - so unfortunatly - but tanking on DD is much simpler than make DPS tank. It is some builds that can let tank DO good AOE damage - but with small damage to solo target and you rotation becomes more harder than on DD - as example with rotation -

Skill+Bash+La->Skill+Bash+La->Skill+Bash+La-> you only will get about 17 k DPS (

But no matter ))) I like to damage on my tank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDr2t08jg3c

Hi, I do just fine clearing vet-4man dungeons with both friends and pugs alike. I get my 2 keys and everthing with the pledges with my 2handed tanks, and still sustain around 25k in combat DPS and don't die. It works out fine. Its just a matter of thinkin', some smart gear swaps and learning rotations + taunt and add priority.

All my DPS-Tank builds are vet tested and vet cleared.

Instead of making this an ego thing. Oh i carry the group they're luck to have me or a selfish thing. Oh i don't have time to wait in que like everyone else, why don't you just solo the dungeon. Then you can feel like a badass to yourself and you don't have to wait in que and nobody there to complain about it.

Ok, I am currently trying to learn to tank - the main difficulty I have run into is that I am probably what would be considered a mid-range player -- My DPS Magica based Sorcerer does very well, at least from what I have seen, and has been my main for a while.
The issues is that my Templar, I am planning on tanking with, has more or less been a Paladin, while I built him up - Sword and Shield on front bar, 2-handed sword on back.
Also, being that I am a grandfather, and not particularly fast, I tend towards the same skills on both bars -- javelin, dark flame (for the damage buff) Shield rush, and taunt thrust, with a heal for my front 5, and and the same, with Stampede and Brawler on my back bar - same three skills

Right now, my ultimate is the sweep, until I can finish and get Meridia's Sword, which has been suggested to me.

I am, honestly, asking how I would rate on this -- I use my javelin to try and slow groups rushing the healer, 2-handed with Stampede for the AOE in group situations, and the shield rush and taunt combo when a boss comes out, to get to it, and get it on me.

I show up as CP 700+ due to my two sorcerers (one a stamina one, and my duel wield ice mage warden I worked for a while), but have only just gotten the templar to level 50 in the relevant skills needed.

At this moment, he is still wearing two Crit focused armor sets - 3 heavy, and 4 medium pieces, but am planning on swapping him over to more armor and health based stuff, and going 4 heavy, 3 medium.
Thing is, up until now, in order to level him, I have had to focus it all on stamina, and play him that way ---- and I have found that when I tank for some groups, they expect me to keep ahead, keep running while they zerg into it, and still keep things up - one guy even noted that "at least you aren't just a slow damage sponge, you do things in the group".....

I am, honestly, really wanting to know if I am doing it right, or was that guy just a POS?

Auldwulfe

I'm also going to point out that the times I tried using the skills suggested for tanks, on the online sites .... I got criticized for "not doing enough", despite trying to be MORE of a tank, in the tank role --- lately, I haven't even bothered with the queue much.

I am, actually, asking for advice, but also, noting that the definition of "Fake Tank" isn't very well defined.

Auldwulfe

SapAndFury wrote: »

I’ll admit it. I’m a real tank and I fake tank for normal dungeons (even DLC). Certain base game vet dungeons can easily be fake tanked as well. I don’t even slot a taunt, just Ele drain. We are 7 years since Maelstrom Arena dropped. Self heals and the ability to keep adds in the ground dots are kind of an expectation of dps in casual content.

Soo U got level 10 and U got dungeon in finder (first dungeon with +100% xp is lvl 10-19) and tank is fake **** like U. Sooo U must kill all adds and tank boss... for this U need healing ability and AoE skills. Can U write me "good" healing ability for nightblade, DK, necromancer and sorc, .... for lvl 10?

PS Ok templar and warder is kinda easy answer, but few healing abilities casted in low time can **** your resources,... soo U have now magicka/stamina for "good DPS" another healing. Soo your "fake roles" makes other players bad experience in dungeon.

Can U just create new character (any class) and try (any) dungeon with lvl 10 (max +1 friend, lvl 10 too) on your own skin?

AnnetteW wrote: »

Can U just create new character (any class) and try (any) dungeon with lvl 10 (max +1 friend, lvl 10 too) on your own skin?

Let's say tank is fake and healer is his friend soo they runned away and skipped all adds and first bosses, soo it's now up to U to kill them is max +1 friend (both lvl 10)...

So U have now also story for this (it happens to me a lot)

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

AnnetteW
>>JustAGoodPlayer wrote:
1) Not enough tanks. game is not friendly for them. Randoms do not make a lot of damage and some times play not really good, so it is understandable. The same time new tanks can be not respected and can be even kicked from group or get very bad words to there adress - that dissapoint them.
Every player that is in-game was once bad.
JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »
2) Why such problem appear now ?
Now? Cuz this problem Bethesda changed dungeon finder years ago,...
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1) Some are not interested - because they are exped - others need help in more healing / resource support / more dps to kill trash because of bad current tank setups. Just givingg advices do not really do nothing - only dissapoin new players and make exp players angry because less exp players try give advices for them for no reason.

2) Tank find dunguans instantly so all works fine - but yes some times it is a bug - I do not know how it works but for some rreason if OFF finder do dodge and start find again it works.

It is not understandable by humans - but for last 2-3 years alliens are making a game as it looks like )))

No they are tired of speedsters running through dungeons as they level up their tank. Haha it´s really simple

Hahaha laughed at that one. Good name

dmnqwk wrote: »

Hi, so you want to tank but you also think 'oh but then noone is 'damages producant' because if I don't tank I don't get a queue but if I do tank and go full tank we have no group damage...

Frontbar: Pucturing Remedy (Master's 1h+s)
Backbar: Maelstrom Greatsword
Set 1: Order's Wrath
Set 2: Spriggans, Tzogvins, anything you like really.

Why do I mention this? Well, I like messing about with tanking and was having fun trying 5 piece light armor tanking (It was doable, but slightly on the low damage single target). But after looking into things, I realised by giving up monster set I can hit 30k single target by using more medium armor pieces, more offensive sets and relying on the buff provided by Puncturing Remedy (by giving up a monster set) to achieve the goal.

So for those who are good at dpsing but worry if they tank, the group damage is too bad. Consider the fact that you can hit 30k single target with Sugar Cookies (meaning terrible sustain) and having Pierce Armor as a spammable!

My DK has been hitting 20-25k for a while (I realised yesterday she's still in purple seventh legion and hundings, so not exactly amazing gear lol) while my Warden (who was wearing permablock aoe focus and only doing 12-14k single target) now has the same stuff as my NB and has hit the same 30k single target.

It's not going to be great as supportive sets, but if you're doing normal dungeons it doesn't matter - providing the 9-11k penetration and keeping the boss still is all you really need. And if you're also chipping in 25k damage then the group only has to produce... 0 damage for it to be completed in a reasonable amount of time!

It's easy to make excuses why you want to justify fake tanking, but after 20 years of finding ways to produce dps as a tank, I know it's always nonsense! (Sure it's rougher in ESO, but definitely not impossible. And if I wanted to chug pots constantly I could use a proper spammable and add 5-10k instantly to that number)

I run hexos ward + vicious ophidian (nightblade) with inner fire taunt, two hander (the dragon star arena one) cleave, and 3 other skills of choice (and an execute).
Instant dps that can tank things and still murder face in normal content.
Heals? That’s what the back bars for. Also packs an impale. 50-60k crits in the right group, was doing those in Asylum Sanctorum with 6 other players. Yep, 7 manned. With an adhock group of misfits. If you died, you got teabagged. (We are close mind, so this behaviour is only among us).

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Good DPS with a taunt = Great random normal tank

Anyone in tank role who refuses to slot a taunt = Instant kick

No amount of DPS you contribute is going to make up for the boss running all over the place and killing group members that did not sign up for the tank role.

Fake tank keep making fake DPS build (Not pure DPS build but more solo focused).

jtm1018 wrote: »

Seriously, rnd is like overland content, I dont get the toxicity in it at all. Or is my 5+ years of experience in the game cloud my opinion. Oh welph.

Jazraena wrote: »

Yes. It does.

Sure, I can bloody solo Fungal Grotto. But a) I shouldn't have to and b) while I may be able to do so, the level 10 doing his first dungeon is not.

And when we're talking Falkreath, Moonhunter Keep and similar DLC dungeons those issues grow exponentially.

The player who asked me, the tank with a sword and shield, if I had a taunt the moment I arrived at normal Depths of Malatar (I mentioned that in an earlier post) most likely did not have a good time with fake tanks. Ah, and the person wasn't a noob.