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Weaving nerf : good or bad ?

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Fhritz
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From U35 onwards, LA and HA will have fixed damage and won't scale with stats, in order to make weaving less impactful on rotation. Do you think it's good or bad ?
Edited by Fhritz on July 6, 2022 4:24PM
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Weaving nerf : good or bad ? 577 votes

Yes, it's a great change
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No, weaving doesn't need any changes
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Waiting for PTS / natch potes
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I think weaving need change, but not like this
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  • VaranisArano
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    "What a nice meta. Be a shame if someone shook it up."
  • Grizzbeorn
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    "Waving?"
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    • Azyle1
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      So this is just lowering the ceiling because other players cannot do something? Is that it?
    • OnnuK
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      Yes, it's a great change
      Perfect. I hated weaving due to lag and does make unfair advantage.
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    • Fhritz
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      Yes, it's a great change
      Grizzbeorn wrote: »
      "Waving?"
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      lmao sorry i can't type on a keyboard
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    • EnerG
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      Yes, it's a great change
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      So this is just lowering the ceiling because other players cannot do something? Is that it?

      No its lowering overall dmg of weaving, the skill of weaving is still there, players will still find a way to do 100k+

      This change nerfs top tier dmg, and buffs low tier. People still need to put in the work to clear content if they wish and master weaving.

      I see Nothing wrong with this the game changes, the meta changes and meta chasers will find the golden spot for a legendary parse
    • spartaxoxo
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      It sounds alright on paper but I'm going to have to play it to find out.
    • wolfie1.0.
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      I am tired of this form or progression.
    • Unknown_Redemption
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      Yes, it's a great change
      They already said they will be doing a major overhaul. This isnt a blind nerf.
    • Azyle1
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      EnerG wrote: »
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      So this is just lowering the ceiling because other players cannot do something? Is that it?

      No its lowering overall dmg of weaving, the skill of weaving is still there, players will still find a way to do 100k+

      This change nerfs top tier dmg, and buffs low tier. People still need to put in the work to clear content if they wish and master weaving.

      I see Nothing wrong with this the game changes, the meta changes and meta chasers will find the golden spot for a legendary parse

      How does this help players that can't weave? If they can't weave before then they won't now either, it isn't like its magically easier to do now. It is just that now the gap is closer. Unless I am missing something.
    • rbfrgsp
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      _
      Edited by rbfrgsp on July 6, 2022 4:30PM
    • CaptainVenom
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      Let's wait and see how it changes during PTS cycle before jumping to conclusions, shall we?
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    • EnerG
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      Yes, it's a great change
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      EnerG wrote: »
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      So this is just lowering the ceiling because other players cannot do something? Is that it?

      No its lowering overall dmg of weaving, the skill of weaving is still there, players will still find a way to do 100k+

      This change nerfs top tier dmg, and buffs low tier. People still need to put in the work to clear content if they wish and master weaving.

      I see Nothing wrong with this the game changes, the meta changes and meta chasers will find the golden spot for a legendary parse

      How does this help players that can't weave? If they can't weave before then they won't now either, it isn't like its magically easier to do now. It is just that now the gap is closer. Unless I am missing something.

      Most players who "cant" weave have simply just not been taught or don't know it exists, it was about a year of playing before i understood what players ment by it. And yes thats a fault of zos for not really acknowledging this mechanic of their games in any real in game capacity, but all it takes it one helpful person to take a little time ans help the community once they ask what it is 💜
    • EnerG
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      Yes, it's a great change
      rbfrgsp wrote: »
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      it always have been, eso has been the most casual friendly mmo since conception, your score runs and trifectas are in 0 danger of being overtaken because that content still requires some work and skill.
    • Azyle1
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      EnerG wrote: »
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      EnerG wrote: »
      Azyle1 wrote: »
      So this is just lowering the ceiling because other players cannot do something? Is that it?

      No its lowering overall dmg of weaving, the skill of weaving is still there, players will still find a way to do 100k+

      This change nerfs top tier dmg, and buffs low tier. People still need to put in the work to clear content if they wish and master weaving.

      I see Nothing wrong with this the game changes, the meta changes and meta chasers will find the golden spot for a legendary parse

      How does this help players that can't weave? If they can't weave before then they won't now either, it isn't like its magically easier to do now. It is just that now the gap is closer. Unless I am missing something.

      Most players who "cant" weave have simply just not been taught or don't know it exists, it was about a year of playing before i understood what players ment by it. And yes thats a fault of zos for not really acknowledging this mechanic of their games in any real in game capacity, but all it takes it one helpful person to take a little time ans help the community once they ask what it is 💜

      I suppose I will just wait until the PTS to see how it looks but to me this doesn't seem like it helps unskilled or people who do not already weave.... it just seems to lower the ceiling as I said. But I suppose we will see.
    • Heartrage
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      I think it can be fine. Cp changes were good, hybridization is better, I think they can pull it off.
    • AcadianPaladin
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      Too early to evaluate but I'd hate to think that light attack builds and heavy attack builds (hardly overpowered) will be unintended casualties. I see the potential to lower damage overall for all ranges of players instead of just 'lowering the ceiling'. Seems like a bad idea to me.
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    • Galiferno
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      Top players will still outperform those who can't/won't weave. A lot of people that this caters to aren't even doing content where weaving matters. And those players who just spam LA/HAs(we've all had them in dungeons before) will see their dps drop. So this won't be a big boost to those who would benefit and an unnecessary nerf to those who do weave.
    • Wolf_Eye
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      AcadianPaladin wrote: »
      Too early to evaluate but I'd hate to think that light attack builds and heavy attack builds (hardly overpowered) will be unintended casualties. I see the potential to lower damage overall for all ranges of players instead of just 'lowering the ceiling'. Seems like a bad idea to me.

      People who are attempting to light attack weave but can't do it very well due to disability or because they can't move fast enough are definitely going to get nerfed as a result.

      Like you mentioned, people who use light attack builds are also going to get nerfed as well.

      I'm conflicted. I don't think this is going to be the ideal solution they think it is.
    • WuffyCerulei
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      I'm very neutral about it, and I have to actually test and see how it is on PTS. It may sound scary to other DPS mains and they'll freak out, but that usually seems to be the trend with big changes in ESO. Rather than wait and test, sit there and scream over text when the PTS patch isn't even up yet.
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    • Jpk0012
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      All this nerf to damage doesn't just impact those doing 100K+. It impacts everyone. If they want to close the gap, this is the wrong way(including the recent CP nerf which hurt casuals far more than 100K+ players). There needs to be scaling damage like resistances. Not flat our blanket nerfs that impact everyone.
      Edited by Jpk0012 on July 6, 2022 4:55PM
    • JMadFour
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      Yes, it's a great change
      EnerG wrote: »

      And yes thats a fault of zos for not really acknowledging this mechanic of their games in any real in game capacity,

      The thing about this, is...it's not a mechanic. Not an intended one anyway. It never has been. It's a bug that ZOS has never been able to fix, so they just stopped acknowledging it, and the players took it and ran with it.

    • Vaoh
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      It’s not on PTS yet....

      A big change like this needs to be tested before forming a strong opinion.
    • Vylaera
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      LA weaving is fine where it is on live.

      But what's hilarious is that this is a NERF to low and middle tier players, who usually crutch on spamming LAs rather than learning the combat system. So now they're doing less damage.

      If LA was getting changed at all, the damage should have increased, not decreased.
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    • BretonMage
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      Can’t opine till I’ve tried it, but what I do know is that with every nerf, MY damage goes down but not the top players’. I don’t really expect this to be any different.
    • joseayalac
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      Light attack and Heavy attack damage should be impactful, it would not make sense to hit with a weapon and not do more than a scratch.

      It's important to see the bigger picture of game mechanics and how combat needs to make sense flavorwise for it to feel engaging.

      Adjusting things by looking at parse numbers will leave us with a game that feels too far away from fantasy combat and more like a spreadsheet combat system, which would make for a bland game that wouldn't be attractive to new players.
    • Faulgor
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      Yes, it's a great change
      On paper I think it's a good change. Of course things could change on PTS what with all the changes to skills and gear coming along.

      I'm just baffled how many people think the sky is falling because LA damage was nerfed. LA weaving isn't any less important for top DPS, it's just a damage nerf, the likes of which we've seen over and over and over again.
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    • LashanW
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      It's just 5 days for PTS update. Better hold your horses until we see the changes in action.
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    • davidtk
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      Waiting for PTS / natch potes
      I'd rather wait for the PTS patch. Rather than jumping to conclusions...
      Edited by davidtk on July 6, 2022 5:39PM
      Really sorry for my english
    • xDeusEJRx
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      No, weaving doesn't need any changes
      Has any of zos's nerfs to any base game abilities/mechanics been good? No never and I don't think this will be any different. Maybe not initially but if it ever does become balanced, it will take a long time.
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