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THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG
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dr_zed✭✭✭Mist form is way too powerfull, it should be change to not be able to spam it, Make it that you can't use it for 2 seconds after you used it. And the ultimate should have a cost increase.1 -
Ashlita✭✭Mist form is way too powerfull, it should be change to not be able to spam it, Make it that you can't use it for 2 seconds after you used it. And the ultimate should have a cost increase.
Oh boy...
You missed the point completely.
If you increase the cost of the ultimate how does this affect him in any form when he has 100%!!!! ultimate reduction?
The base cost can be the max of 1000 points it would still be reduced to ZERO after the ultimate cost reduction.
The problem is not the skill itself the problem is that there is no dimishing returns no soft cap and no hardcap for cost reduction stacking.
To add to all this the bonuses are not multiplicative but rather additive.
60+20+15+5 = 100% reduction; thats how it is calculated instead of:
((((275 [base cost]x0,6)x0,8)x0,85)x0,95) = 107
Implent a hardcap for cost reduction at the 60% stage 4 Vampirism and this whole issue is "fixed" vamps still overpowered arguably but not as utterly broken as of now.
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ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭To add to all this the bonuses are not multiplicative but rather additive.
60+20+15+5 = 100% reduction; thats how it is calculated instead of:
((((275 [base cost]x0,6)x0,8)x0,85)x0,95) = 107
This is a bit incorrect.
First only a Sorc can get the 15% reduction as its a Sorc passive.
Second, nothing gives 5% reduction.
Seducer Set gives 3% reduction and PVP set reduces by 15 points not a percent.
Third, you guys need to separate out the videos of Emperors with videos of non-Emperors.V12 Corporal
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »
Why? Emperors should be able to wipe groups of thirty?1 -
Inco✭✭✭✭Yea... PVP is a joke unless you have this FOTM build and setup. Too easy to quickly level AP and tilts the odds in favor of the group that fields the most VAMPS.
I still agree with many that this is SO OP... they need to hotfix ASAP. All those "L2P" trolls can just shut it. (Most likely from those that have the build or will soon have that build and don't want it nerfed)1 -
Ashlita✭✭ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »To add to all this the bonuses are not multiplicative but rather additive.
60+20+15+5 = 100% reduction; thats how it is calculated instead of:
((((275 [base cost]x0,6)x0,8)x0,85)x0,95) = 107
This is a bit incorrect.
First only a Sorc can get the 15% reduction as its a Sorc passive.
Second, nothing gives 5% reduction.
Seducer Set gives 3% reduction and PVP set reduces by 15 points not a percent.
Third, you guys need to separate out the videos of Emperors with videos of non-Emperors.
Actually your wrong and just shows how little you know.
Emperor passive gives 5% ult reduction even for former emperors.
Furthermore instead of 5% emperor you could get 3% Seducer than the cost will be 4 ultimate points rather than zero. Does this make it any better? He is still able to spam it since 4 Ultimate points to build up takes like 1 sek.
Furthermore since i was referring to a video where the player is a sorcerer your telling me i am wrong for listing the sorcerers build makes little to no sense....
Emperor or not Emperor there is no difference between the 2 other the 2% extra reduction the emperor ( former emperor) has. The build is still as broken.
Sorc or not Sorc:
true sorcs get 15% extra. Templar get 4% extra on passives.
DK has passives which build up ultimate for using abilities or doing/getting damage.
The builds are only slightly different at the end and all are able to spam it.
Max reduction per class:
92% Templar
100% Sorcerer
88% DK
88% NB
Edited by Ashlita on May 1, 2014 4:53PM0 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭457 Comments 17.9k views and still no comment from Zenimax. Honestly why do they not comment on hot topics.
Why is it they think they can ignore the community!!!!!
Edited by Cherryblossom on May 1, 2014 4:51PM0 -
Inzababa✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »457 Comments 17.9k views and still no comment from Zenimax. Honestly why do they not comment on hot topics.
Why is it they think they can ignore the community!!!!!
they probably have instructions not to reply to this kind of topic, there's no way they could ignore this by now, especially since this isn't the only huge thread, there are countless of them now..Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Inzababa✭✭✭ok awesome, nerf incoming.
But why do Zenimax reply on reddit but not official forums?
Welcome to the ZOS AuA. by ZOS_Sagein elderscrollsonline
[–]zos_konk [score hidden] an hour ago
I'm guessing this is actually about the "Vampire" ultimate cheese, in which case, yes. I'll re-post what my response to a different thread.
Fixed the bug where multiple Bat Swarms can be stacked on the same Vampire.
Reduced the movement speed bonus during mist form to 30% (which makes it equivalent to the "Boundless storm" morph of Lightning form)
Reduced the Vampire ability cost reduction to 7% per stage
And we'll continue to monitor the situation after these changes go live
http://www.reddit.com/user/zos_konkWelcome to the ZOS AuA. by ZOS_Sagein elderscrollsonline
[–]zos_konk [score hidden] an hour ago
Definitely aware of the issue with vampires (I posted the adjustments we are planning to make in the short term in an early thread).
Dark talons is currently bugged and can hit more targets than intended. We're also discussing improving players' ability to counter immobilize effects, but I don't have details for you on that just yet.
We are also setting up the Elder Scroll so that Bolt Escape cannot be used by its carrier.
That is a subset of the changes we are planning for PvP balance concerns, but hopefully this address some of the more common concerns I've seenResistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Fixed the bug where multiple Bat Swarms can be stacked on the same Vampire.
Reduced the movement speed bonus during mist form to 30% (which makes it equivalent to the "Boundless storm" morph of Lightning form)
Reduced the Vampire ability cost reduction to 7% per stage
And we'll continue to monitor the situation after these changes go live.
The amount of tears on this forum after the nerf will be EPIC.Edited by Gisgo on May 1, 2014 10:19PM3 -
Inzababa✭✭✭I didn't even realize they could stack bat swarms, it was worse than I thought lolResistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez2 -
AlliN✭✭✭Fixed the bug where multiple Bat Swarms can be stacked on the same Vampire.
Reduced the movement speed bonus during mist form to 30% (which makes it equivalent to the "Boundless storm" morph of Lightning form)
Reduced the Vampire ability cost reduction to 7% per stage
And we'll continue to monitor the situation after these changes go live.
The amount of tears on this forum after the nerf will be EPIC.
Come on out "working as intended" people, come on out.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Ult reduction and healing in mist form need to be addressed as well. Badly. But this is a great start. Would be nice if they responded to the hundreds of us who spoke on their god damn forums. That is a *** joke.0
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ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭
Actually your wrong and just shows how little you know.
Emperor passive gives 5% ult reduction even for former emperors.
Furthermore instead of 5% emperor you could get 3% Seducer than the cost will be 4 ultimate points rather than zero. Does this make it any better? He is still able to spam it since 4 Ultimate points to build up takes like 1 sek.
Furthermore since i was referring to a video where the player is a sorcerer your telling me i am wrong for listing the sorcerers build makes little to no sense....
Emperor or not Emperor there is no difference between the 2 other the 2% extra reduction the emperor ( former emperor) has. The build is still as broken.
Sorc or not Sorc:
true sorcs get 15% extra. Templar get 4% extra on passives.
DK has passives which build up ultimate for using abilities or doing/getting damage.
The builds are only slightly different at the end and all are able to spam it.
Max reduction per class:
92% Templar
100% Sorcerer
88% DK
88% NB
Wasn't talking about Emperor or Former Emperor bonuses.
Thats a different category as its only available to an incredibly tiny percent of the population and not relevant for general balancing as that buff is its own balancing act for what they are trying to do.
Second people keep giving numbers without regard to classes and thats why information is misleading.
Sorcs can get Vamp Ulti down to 4 cost or 0 yes, as acknowledged. But DK Vamps cannot.Not sure where you get youre numbers but they are slightly off.
If you want the lowest possible number for DK Vamps, its 19. And that is stretching using PvP, Dragonguard, and Seducer sets.
Edited by ThreeEyedCrow on May 2, 2014 3:00AMV12 Corporal
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ZeBlade✭✭Me and my son share on account. He played on US I EU. He got to 50 over a week ago..yeah super easy and that was a few hours each day.
Anyway.. I just checked hes toon (vamp) STILL has buffs he should not have. Now you dont understand how EASY this mmo is. For him to get to 50 in just over 2 weeks and add to that what some say about VAMPS.. it was super easy. He ..you wont believe me. He was killing things 6 lvl higher then him. Anyway.. I have no nothing to gain here by lying. I like the game but its still as of 1.06 full of bots. So I canceled. Maybe after 1.11... I will see about coming back. Love the game but WAAAAAY to easy.Edited by ZeBlade on May 2, 2014 2:48AM0 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Good changes upcoming for vampires, but when are they, why no fix to healing in mist form, and why are they posting that on reddit instead of their own forum?2 -
people that think the changes are going to severely hamper the build are in for a sad surprise, when im dk vamping it up in the middle of a zerg my ult is hitting over 300% every second and i cant cast it fast enough, making it cost more will effect the 1v1s and 1v2s, will still be spammable with 3 or more targets around so it wont stop the zerg diving whatsoever, and its already capped at 6 targets on live so the aoe change doesnt effect it.
the main issue still isnt being fixed of ult reduction stacking through gear not just vamp passives, that is the broken mechanic, so after patch there will still be a lot of bat swarmers, but now we'll have have standard and atronach spammers again, and those skills kill you 3 times faster than bats.
so nothing it going to change, two 60 man armies square off over a bridge, the faction with the vamps and ult reducers on their frontline wins. batswarm is def scary, but you can heal through them pretty easily, good luck keeping your army up against 3 standard chaining dks spamming reflect with 10 heal bots behind them. the patch changes will force some vamps to fight within the army, which makes the 10x stronger anyway.0 -
SourceError✭✭PVP = Griefers period, its the way they luv to play, its their whole, game. Yes it ruins the game for others, but its the way they enjoy the game. They don't play the PVE side, they will use any and all exploits they find, that is PVP. No one will ever change that.
Aw, players do what they can to win? How shocking. This doesn't happen anywhere else in competition.0 -
Ashlita✭✭davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »people that think the changes are going to severely hamper the build are in for a sad surprise, when im dk vamping it up in the middle of a zerg my ult is hitting over 300% every second and i cant cast it fast enough, making it cost more will effect the 1v1s and 1v2s, will still be spammable with 3 or more targets around so it wont stop the zerg diving whatsoever, and its already capped at 6 targets on live so the aoe change doesnt effect it. <<<cut>>>
Actually it will hinder the ulti spam to some point.
As of now you can stack multiple bat swarms over each other and have several ultimates running at the same time so the cap of bat swarm does not do crap since you have 5 batswarms as example at once each hitting 6 targets.
Now if you can not activate the ulti while your ultimate is still running you can hit 6 targets and thats it if the zerg is somewhat smart and just aoes where your bats are your gonna die rather easily unless the really top players.
The whole point of this build was the multiple ultimates stacking voer each other.
However what is bad is that they will not do anything about the past several weeks where this was abused and people farmed literally millions of points with it nor will they reset the campaign etc etc.
The build is still possible and "decent".
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Tomster✭✭
Yeah, the whole 90 day campaign is sort of ruined because of this, all points messed up. Both personal and alliance.davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »people that think the changes are going to severely hamper the build are in for a sad surprise, when im dk vamping it up in the middle of a zerg my ult is hitting over 300% every second and i cant cast it fast enough, making it cost more will effect the 1v1s and 1v2s, will still be spammable with 3 or more targets around so it wont stop the zerg diving whatsoever, and its already capped at 6 targets on live so the aoe change doesnt effect it. <<<cut>>>
Actually it will hinder the ulti spam to some point.
As of now you can stack multiple bat swarms over each other and have several ultimates running at the same time so the cap of bat swarm does not do crap since you have 5 batswarms as example at once each hitting 6 targets.
Now if you can not activate the ulti while your ultimate is still running you can hit 6 targets and thats it if the zerg is somewhat smart and just aoes where your bats are your gonna die rather easily unless the really top players.
The whole point of this build was the multiple ultimates stacking voer each other.
However what is bad is that they will not do anything about the past several weeks where this was abused and people farmed literally millions of points with it nor will they reset the campaign etc etc.
The build is still possible and "decent".
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JessieColt✭✭✭✭I see a LOT of people ask to have the Vamp skills nerfed, but I have yet to see anyone ask to have the set gear bonuses nerfed.
Why is that? Do people have such tunnel vision regarding what they THINK is a problem without considering everything?
Or is it that some people do not know about, or choose to willfully ignore, the set bonuses to gear?
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Set+Bonus+Crafting+Locations#.U2eSOlcs0TB
There are enough slots available with weapon/armor that everyone should be using two different types of gear so that they can get 2 different bonuses.
Especially in PvP.
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concobar✭✭✭LOL at people cheering for mistform getting nerfed. I guess now Sorcs can again reign supreme.
These issues are not Vamp issues, these issues are DK/Sorc + batswarm issues. Nerfing a whole skill line because DKs/Sorcs can abuse the ultimate is silly.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.1 -
From 1.0.7 patch notes posted this morning:
No more bat-stacking!Vampire- Fixed an issue with the ability Bat Swarm so it will no longer stack with itself. It will instead refresh if re-cast.
- Reduced the cost reduction per stage of vampire abilities.
- Reduced the movement speed bonus of the ability Mist Form.
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concobar✭✭✭From 1.0.7 patch notes posted this morning:
No more bat-stacking!Vampire- Fixed an issue with the ability Bat Swarm so it will no longer stack with itself. It will instead refresh if re-cast.
- Reduced the cost reduction per stage of vampire abilities.
- Reduced the movement speed bonus of the ability Mist Form.
Thats a good change but doesnt prevent perma-Bats
I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭To all the people who didn't want vamp nerfed:
LOLOLOLOL0LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. We win. Looks like you'll have to find a different broken skill to exploit,
This will help a lot. It also shows me that Zeni is on the right track with PvP fixes. Now all they have to do is cap ultimate reduction and take a good look at DK mitigation in PvP and we'll be pretty good to go.Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 5, 2014 2:15PM2