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THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG
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danteafk✭✭The amount of noobs posting in here asking for 'silverbolts' are pathetic.
Do you even mist?4 -
NTclaymore✭✭✭✭A soft cap on ult-reduction would fix all this without breaking or nerfing anything.He spoke, the son of Padomay, and nodded his head with the dark brows
and the imortally anointed hair of the great god
swept from his divine head, and all Mundus was shaken.0 -
Thevenin✭✭Nerfing the *** out of vampires (increasing tradeoffs would be a nice way to keep the flavour), DK (3 abilities are overpowered, no more) and emperor (powerful = / = godlike) would also fix it without breaking anything.Edited by Thevenin on April 28, 2014 6:03PM0
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Asava✭✭✭Last night on AB US we AD went to take BRK. There was a VR8 DK/Vamp outside the keep fighting 20 or so people and they couldn't get him below 80% health between self heals, groups healing, and vampirism. It was kind of funny watching everyone nuking the hell out of him and him just standing there taking it. It also pissed quite a few people off since no one should be invincible in pvp.1
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RustyBlades✭✭✭I was wondering if silver bolts were useful now I know. Don't enter Crydil without it.0 -
ult reduction % stacking with battle roar passive is broken, that is the only fix needed, bat swarm by itself isnt OP and is actually garbage compared to standard when they are both at 200 ult cost, so nerfing swarm would ruin it for other classes and isnt even wanted by dks at full cost, getting swarm down to 34 ult cost while also giving back hp/magicka/stamina on every cast through battle roar passive is what makes it so stupid OP.
in pvp it is insane, in pve though it is so broken that trials are going to be stacked with dk and sorc spam swarm vampires. cyro resources are easily solo'd and vr bosses/dungeons are a joke as this build.
i know im a vr10 faceroll dk vamp out there winning 1v15s and harassing huge zergs then escaping after i kill all the melee. silverbolts and soul assaults do nothing to me i have reflective scales up 100% of the time, cant range dps us (reflect) and cant cc us (immovable) and cant snare/root if we want to get away (wep swap to retreat with elusive).
here is how you kill a dk vamp that is walking through your zerg dunking lowbies and not dying, encase and negate him, thats it, it dispels his immunity and stops swarm and he will die in 2 seconds to the zerg before he can roll out of the negate/root and cast swarm again. so all the sorcs out there running atronach or overload like a noob you only have yourself to blame until a nerf to the build comes down the line.
dont listen to the theory craft pvpers saying expert hunter with silver bolts is how you do it, those are the guys killing themselves on my reflective scales with 1200 damage snipes and 5% silver bolt procs. encase+negate, trust me.Edited by davidhorstub17_ESO on April 28, 2014 8:07PM3 -
Jarnhand✭✭✭davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »ult reduction % stacking with battle roar passive is broken, that is the only fix needed, bat swarm by itself isnt OP and is actually garbage compared to standard when they are both at 200 ult cost, so nerfing swarm would ruin it for other classes and isnt even wanted by dks at full cost, getting swarm down to 34 ult cost while also giving back hp/magicka/stamina on every cast through battle roar passive is what makes it so stupid OP.
in pvp it is insane, in pve though it is so broken that trials are going to be stacked with dk and sorc spam swarm vampires. cyro resources are easily solo'd and vr bosses/dungeons are a joke as this build.
i know im a vr10 faceroll dk vamp out there winning 1v15s and harassing huge zergs then escaping after i kill all the melee. silverbolts and soul assaults do nothing to me i have reflective scales up 100% of the time, cant range dps us (reflect) and cant cc us (immovable) and cant snare/root if we want to get away (wep swap to retreat with elusive).
here is how you kill a dk vamp that is walking through your zerg dunking lowbies and not dying, encase and negate him, thats it, it dispels his immunity and stops swarm and he will die in 2 seconds to the zerg before he can roll out of the negate/root and cast swarm again. so all the sorcs out there running atronach or overload like a noob you only have yourself to blame until a nerf to the build comes down the line.
dont listen to the theory craft pvpers saying expert hunter with silver bolts is how you do it, those are the guys killing themselves on my reflective scales with 1200 damage snipes and 5% silver bolt procs. encase+negate, trust me.
Thanks for being honest and telling it how it is! This is what people experience in Cyrodiil, and keep fights are a joke once a Vamp built like this comes along. It is so totally broken that it should have had an emergency patch weeks ago.
The vamp kids try desperetly to blame it on sorcs or DKs, but the classes are not the problem; the vamp template on top of the classes are the problem. Fix the problem, fix the vamps.
Only ones defending it and trying to theorycraft how to counter it are the vamp kids, trying to hold on to their laughable overpoweredness as long as they can. When nerfs finally get a fix/nerf, I hope they leave, ESO is better off without the exploit/fotm crowd. They ruin game after game, and they are the reason for the often fatal nerfs that are slaped on as a bandaid, ruining classes and skills.
ESO is a very good game, sadly Zenimax do not seem to care to fix the huge exploits/bugs/flaws the game has. About now the first free month is up, and I am pretty sure a lot of people will not sub. And anyone going to PvP and experiencing how laughable PvP is right now with current state of vamps, will see it as a reason to not sub after the free month.
End game in ESO is PvP, ESO is promoted and sold as a PvP game. Anyone playing it as a PvE game of course can do so, but it is now how it is promoted or sold. Kids comming from Skyrim etc, and single player offline games, do not understand they cannot run around soloing whole sergs thinking its m4d skillz, and think this is ok. Of course its not, its horribly broken! Doesn't matter why, its simply broken! Anyone with remotely normal brainfunction can see it.
So Zenimax; seriously, communicate to your customers what you intend to do with your broken game, or you will lose a lot of customers the coming 1-2 weeks.
And that would be sad, because ESO is a super game, its just horribly broken in certain areas right now. And the problem is that area is the defining area of the game; namely AvAvA.0 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭I would not like to see vamp nerfed. I do not have one yet, but plan on in the future to have at least one. I would like to see the WW bugs fixed sometime in the near future though as that is what I am striving for. Stop crying over vamp, become one yourself, level up and become OP yourself. In the mean time die just like the rest of us......lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »The saddest thing about this thread, is that it's one of the most commented on, with the exception of Zenimax.
I was hoping that communication was getting better but this one thread proves otherwise.....
They're probably deciding what to do for once instead of instantly catering to whines... that's actually a GOOD thing.
Your right I would like to think they were thinking about it, but speculation and rumours does not help them at all.
Speculation and Rumours happen because they do not quite simply say we are looking at this mechanic.
Acknowledgement of issues is the biggest problem with Zenimax, it's this one thing that is making me thinking I shouldn't Sub. Like any investor I like to know there is some security in my investment, this investment is decidedly risky as we have no idea what is going on.....
I would keep agreeing with this until it got creepy if I could.0 -
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In PvE? They're fantastic. In PvP? Not so much. If you proc with them in PvP you'll deal ~220 points of damage to the vampire, which won't out pace their heal from batswarm.RustyBlades wrote: »I was wondering if silver bolts were useful now I know. Don't enter Crydil without it.0 -
bugulu✭✭✭The vamp kids try desperetly to blame it on sorcs or DKs, but the classes are not the problem; the vamp template on top of the classes are the problem. Fix the problem, fix the vamps.
Since when have you seen a nightblade vampire wiping out whole zergs?
No, the problem is the laughable ultimate reduction from dragonknight and sorcerers. Put in a softcap together with a fixed cooldown so ultimates can't be used over and over again.
Edited by bugulu on April 29, 2014 8:54AM0 -
Inzababa✭✭✭davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »ult reduction % stacking with battle roar passive is broken, that is the only fix needed, bat swarm by itself isnt OP and is actually garbage compared to standard when they are both at 200 ult cost, so nerfing swarm would ruin it for other classes and isnt even wanted by dks at full cost, getting swarm down to 34 ult cost while also giving back hp/magicka/stamina on every cast through battle roar passive is what makes it so stupid OP.
in pvp it is insane, in pve though it is so broken that trials are going to be stacked with dk and sorc spam swarm vampires. cyro resources are easily solo'd and vr bosses/dungeons are a joke as this build.
i know im a vr10 faceroll dk vamp out there winning 1v15s and harassing huge zergs then escaping after i kill all the melee. silverbolts and soul assaults do nothing to me i have reflective scales up 100% of the time, cant range dps us (reflect) and cant cc us (immovable) and cant snare/root if we want to get away (wep swap to retreat with elusive).
here is how you kill a dk vamp that is walking through your zerg dunking lowbies and not dying, encase and negate him, thats it, it dispels his immunity and stops swarm and he will die in 2 seconds to the zerg before he can roll out of the negate/root and cast swarm again. so all the sorcs out there running atronach or overload like a noob you only have yourself to blame until a nerf to the build comes down the line.
dont listen to the theory craft pvpers saying expert hunter with silver bolts is how you do it, those are the guys killing themselves on my reflective scales with 1200 damage snipes and 5% silver bolt procs. encase+negate, trust me.
thanks for sharing your experience honestly, we really need more posts from the vamps actually doing this so others can understand.
btw if you mean that purple silence bubble as negate, every time I've been in a fight with a vamp and someone on my group used it, it did nothing to the vamp..
edit: and that's 15 guys vs 1 vamp, again, what happens if the numbers are even?
Edited by Inzababa on April 29, 2014 8:39AMResistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭We seriously need a response from Zenimax on this.
This is seriously destroying PVP, it's making it laughable. This is not just talked about on the Forum this comes up in Guild Chat, Zone Chat. Everyone knows this is an issue with the exception of Zenimax it would appear.2 -
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This is a good idea, would be nice if Zenimax would comment, although it would seem they are only interested in closing threads they do not like....NTclaymore wrote: »A soft cap on ult-reduction would fix all this without breaking or nerfing anything.
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PVP is completely destroyed, its even funnier that the latest patch (which failed) did not even fix the problem. There should have been a hotfix a few days ago.0
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✭I'm honestly disgusted that with 15k views and 376 comments that Zenimax has failed to even acknowledge this.
What does it take to get them to take notice of a situation that is effecting the paying customer.
@ZOS_AllenuS @ZOS_AnaP @ZOS_AndyC @ZOS_AbigailT @ZOS_AJ @ZOS_AjanJ @ZOS_AlanG @ZOS_BasileA @ZOS_BethR @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_BobE @ZOS_BoydBeasley @ZOS_ChesterN @ZOS_CaitlinR @ZOS_CarolusS @ZOS_CatK @ZOS_CédricL @ZOS_DavidH @ZOS_DaleH @ZOS_DanDunham @ZOS_DanielC @ZOS_DavidGee @ZOS_ElizabethC @ZOS_EugeneB @ZOS_EveP @ZOS_FelixP @ZOS_FrederickP @ZOS_GabeL @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelServotte ZOS_TristanK ZOS_KaiSchober
While I know there are more I could of added, the fact is I gave up, my will to see some communication from Zenimax is tempered by the knowledge I won't. maybe they are still reading all the comments from the beginning and it's taking some time.
It would appear that it's pointless using the forum as they don't care what we think or have to say.
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Inzababa✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »I'm honestly disgusted that with 15k views and 376 comments that Zenimax has failed to even acknowledge this.
What does it take to get them to take notice of a situation that is effecting the paying customer.
@ZOS_AllenuS @ZOS_AnaP @ZOS_AndyC @ZOS_AbigailT @ZOS_AJ @ZOS_AjanJ @ZOS_AlanG @ZOS_BasileA @ZOS_BethR @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_BobE @ZOS_BoydBeasley @ZOS_ChesterN @ZOS_CaitlinR @ZOS_CarolusS @ZOS_CatK @ZOS_CédricL @ZOS_DavidH @ZOS_DaleH @ZOS_DanDunham @ZOS_DanielC @ZOS_DavidGee @ZOS_ElizabethC @ZOS_EugeneB @ZOS_EveP @ZOS_FelixP @ZOS_FrederickP @ZOS_GabeL @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelServotte ZOS_TristanK ZOS_KaiSchober
While I know there are more I could of added, the fact is I gave up, my will to see some communication from Zenimax is tempered by the knowledge I won't. maybe they are still reading all the comments from the beginning and it's taking some time.
It would appear that it's pointless using the forum as they don't care what we think or have to say.
awesome post, I got a warning for bumping the thread so I know they are reading it...Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Vodkaphile✭✭✭ok this is REALLY getting ***, you thought one or two vamps wiping a zerg was bad, how about a group of vampires now?
It's getting impossible to get anything done vs groups of vampires either invincible or invisible with bat swarm, this is seriously starting to *** me off.
Would ESO move your asses and focus on this issue plz because this is REALLY game breaking
Remember WoW PVP? Yeah ZoS doesn't care either PvE is first.
Derp. It affects PvE as well. Vampire tanks are unkillable when tanking in groups. The more they pull, the more they can survive. It's getting fixed in the next patch though, it's in the notes.0 -
smosti✭✭✭there, found a video, though it mentions emperorship this isn't only for emperors
http://youtu.be/Uq2-Zl1PETM
I see this happen every day and with 2 or 3 time the numbers of people in that video.
I can feel their frustration! I friggen hate when you're explaining and frantically trying to type while moving and peple STILL DON'T LISTEN lol1 -
Vodkaphile✭✭✭jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »Most of these players commenting on here defending this have no idea what they are talking about. Mage light against a vamp? WTF is that gonna do to help? It gives crit bonus and see invis only.
I would bet most of the detractors of the original poster are either vamps trying to avoid a nerf or wannabe vamps hoping to get it so they can have /godmode too. These types tend to cowher from fair fights. Anyone that's been in pvp has seen the op'ness of the vamp life tap ability and it has crap to do with tactics or any you need to learn to play crap. They just display their own stupidity with their l2p comments.
Fix the broke mechanics ESO. At least acknowledge it and let us know you are working on it.
People defending the mechanics or devising terrible defense strategies for it simply haven't seen it in action. If they had, they'd realize how utterly ridiculous they sound.
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Silver Bolts won't do anything to a VR10 Dragonknight Sword/board Vampire Former Empress who took out the whole Faction 2 days ago at alessia..if i can remember I counted at least 80 people being killed by one person, 4 people dieing every second..
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✭Cherryblossom wrote: »I'm honestly disgusted that with 15k views and 376 comments that Zenimax has failed to even acknowledge this.
What does it take to get them to take notice of a situation that is effecting the paying customer.
@ZOS_AllenuS @ZOS_AnaP @ZOS_AndyC @ZOS_AbigailT @ZOS_AJ @ZOS_AjanJ @ZOS_AlanG @ZOS_BasileA @ZOS_BethR @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_BobE @ZOS_BoydBeasley @ZOS_ChesterN @ZOS_CaitlinR @ZOS_CarolusS @ZOS_CatK @ZOS_CédricL @ZOS_DavidH @ZOS_DaleH @ZOS_DanDunham @ZOS_DanielC @ZOS_DavidGee @ZOS_ElizabethC @ZOS_EugeneB @ZOS_EveP @ZOS_FelixP @ZOS_FrederickP @ZOS_GabeL @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelServotte ZOS_TristanK ZOS_KaiSchober
While I know there are more I could of added, the fact is I gave up, my will to see some communication from Zenimax is tempered by the knowledge I won't. maybe they are still reading all the comments from the beginning and it's taking some time.
It would appear that it's pointless using the forum as they don't care what we think or have to say.
awesome post, I got a warning for bumping the thread so I know they are reading it...
Thank you, and if they banned me I wouldn't care, I don't think posting on the forum makes any difference to them. I honestly don't think they care.0 -
smosti✭✭✭Honestly peple have some god damn F******* patience! You can't snap your fingers and have a whole new thought out and planned working system and written in code ready to patch. Takes time! Just be patient and stop whinging that it hasn't been fixed yet....Edited by smosti on April 29, 2014 2:03PM1
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ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭For those saying that reflective scales stop all ranged dps.... how? I thought it was only supposed to reflect spell projectiles. Are you saying silverbolts and snipe count as spell projectiles? This hasn't been my experience hitting these silly vamps in PVP. They heal up ok but bow-sniping from stealth with morphed expert hunter can hit them big (no chance of killing them when they're healing off a zerg though) - and I haven't noticed any hurt from it. Perhaps they didn't have it active.
I don't get anywhere near them because sitting in a zerg bubble is just asking for vamp death at the moment but I should still be taking damage if reflective scales saved them from my ranged skills. And I don't seem to be. Can anyone clarify this? It's ridiculous as it is but if everything ranged that's not a default attack counts as a spell projectile then it's even more absurd.0 -
Inzababa✭✭✭Honestly peple have some god damn F******* patience! You can't snap your fingers and have a whole new thought out and planned working system and written in code ready to patch. Takes time! Just be patient and stop whinging that it hasn't been fixed yet....
you'd think a "oh ***, you guys are right, we need to take care of this and we're working on it" wouldn't cost much would it?
Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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You do know, that beta test were swarmed with feedback about nonsense like that for a YEAR, and nothing changed, right? You do realise that hundreds of people were mentioning bugs like this?Takes time! Just be patient and stop whinging that it hasn't been fixed yet....
Or do you think they conjured the game up into the boxes in the factory...Edited by AlliN on April 29, 2014 2:08PM0 -
Perseas✭✭✭I dont want to become a vamp because it makes ur characters eyes red... I spend so much time in the character creator, to fix my characters beautiful eyes, I dont wish to spoil them for it.Edited by Perseas on April 29, 2014 2:59PM0
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✭✭Vodkaphile wrote: »Derp. It affects PvE as well. Vampire tanks are unkillable when tanking in groups. The more they pull, the more they can survive. It's getting fixed in the next patch though, it's in the notes.
What exactly is being fixed though? All I know is they're changing some AOE skills to have a six target limit and none of them are vampire skills.Changes/Pending Changes
With that explanation, here are the changes that are being made in version 1.1 (subject to testing).- The following abilities had a higher max limit than six, and have been fixed to be in-line with all other area-of-effect abilities:
- Consuming Darkness (Nightblade)
- Dragonknight Standard (Dragonknight)
- Negate Magic (Sorcerer)
- Scalding Rune (Fire Rune Morph - Mages Guild)
- Soul Shatter (Soul Magic)
Also, we are currently investigating Dark Talons, Blood Altar, and Rite of Passage, which may not be obeying the max target limit.
The problems with vampires are being able to be healed in mist form and ridiculously low ultimate costs that allow bat swarm to be spammed (no ultimate should ever be spammable).
I also notice quite often that silver bolts do not knock them down and/or interrupt them. That's a mist form issue and possibly a reflective scales issue. I've never tested both skills to see if reflective scales affects silver bolts though, but I do know that silver bolts is often useless vs vampires.Edited by Holycannoli on April 29, 2014 4:03PM1 - The following abilities had a higher max limit than six, and have been fixed to be in-line with all other area-of-effect abilities: