Urzigurumash wrote: »

I'm seeing MagPlars getting two tapped, something unthinkable for quite some time prior to this.

Really depends what you run. I know p

Hexquisite wrote: »

I agree with React. Equal players , the Oakensoul wearer wins.
The person with Oakensoul NEVER has to worry about resources to keep up their buffs, they NEVER have to worry about keeping those buffs up, they don't have to worry about a window to burst DPS, and can keep constant pressure on the opponent. In open world PvP/BGs they are also free to use Tri pots or Immovables without sacrificing DPS.

I feel that the writing has been on the wall for small scalers for a few year now, and that this just really seals that. I went through the Meteor Era, The Sloads and Dot Era, and Dark Convergence, Plaguebreak and Hrothgar Era. Those all had counters, even before they got nerfed/changed/fixed.

Its really gotten to where you almost have to run a full on ball group. I see multiple groups of 12 stacked together in a ball lately.

Lag is better but now the game is lost

how much mitigation you guys running?

Something tells me this issue is because of the trend where players dropped mitigation sets for one of those 6k WD/SD builds that were popular the last 2 years.

There is most likely power creep happening on the stat gear than anything. Cause the buffs shouldn't make you autowin, you still need to press some buttons. You'll prob need to adjust your mitigation/health values in order to survive enough for your heals to pull through.

ArctosCethlenn wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Flare slotted and 1 GCD every 20 seconds and you have all the defensive power of Oakensoul on a 2 bar build.

Along with more heals, better blocking, Evasion, etc.

From what I can tell, outside of defensive Ult spam an Oakensoul player sacrifices defense for offense.

I'm seeing MagPlars getting two tapped, something unthinkable for quite some time prior to this.

You're massively oversimplifying things and ignoring a lot of the ring's benefits, even defensively. It gives Major courage, a big chunk of raw spell/wd which makes their healing stronger and only had two sources before this, raid buff sets. It gives permanent sorc/brut and savagery/prophecy, so it frees up more than just one GCD every 20 seconds and all of that provides both offensive and defensive power. Even if someone wasn't slotting skills to get those four buffs and was instead using mana/sorc/prophecy pots or stam/brut/savagery, now they don't need to run those and can instead swap to tristat or immove pots.


Then when you toss in the extra offensive power all that gives AND major berserk, force, and courage, it's a hell of a lot easier for the oakensoul player to put his target on the defensive spamming to try to stay alive, rather than hitting back.

Well ok then, so some of the nerfed damage can be returned to Sword and Board skills, and Radiating Regen is in no need of a nerf, because these things never meaningfully contributed to the Tank Meta?

Your point about Major Courage is a good one, but many of those unkillable MagPlars from the last few patches were backbarring Olorime.

In my experience it is very uncommon for a PvPer to run Power Pots, I don't think anybody "tanking and spanking" was ever running them. I could be wrong but I never heard of it.

Yes the Oakensoul player can put the non-Oakensoul player on the defensive better than vice-versa. But can the Oakensoul player defend as well as the non-Oakensoul player? Hence, does this ring introduce some "Trinity" to PvP?

I always thought a defensive backbar was a big part of "tanks being able to deal damage". I'm surprised to hear the alleviated mag costs / GCDs given by Oakensoul entirely replace all of the advantages gained by a defensive backbar, but I'll take your word for it, still being new to this patch.

Is it possible to get a comment on this from @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_Kevin or anyone from ZOS? This is clearly a large issue that is plaguing the game right now. Any sort of response would be very appreciated by the community.

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

Is it possible to get a comment on this from @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_Kevin or anyone from ZOS? This is clearly a large issue that is plaguing the game right now. Any sort of response would be very appreciated by the community.

It's not that bad, do we constantly want nerfs after a release? If anything it has made me better in PvP, I am not so dismissive to core combat abilities, timing, los, etc...

I hope no nerfs...but if a must, change Courage & Heroism to minor.

my 2c

Changing those two buffs to minor will do very little to alleviate the issues being caused by this mythic in PVP. Removing the heroism and the force entirely would be the bare minimum in order for this mythic to be somewhat balanced.

I am glad that it has helped you in PVP. It seems like the main thing it has done for you is lower the APM (actions per minute) you need to do while playing by removing the need for you to maintain buffs. That is fine, and that is what the ring is designed to do. Even with the heroism and force removed from the ring, you will still retain all the accessibility functionality it is providing you currently - but the setups I mentioned in the original post will cease to function as they are currently, and the PVP experience will improve for the vast majority of players.

Again it is fine for the mythic to provide accessibility for those who struggle with their actions per minute, but it is not fine for it to grant your average PVP player more damage than an entire 5/5/2 build, significant mitigation & sustain, and emperor tier ult gen in PVP.

LeifErickson wrote: »

A lot needs to be done in regards to ganking. Nerfing the ring isn't nearly enough, I was getting one shot by inferno heavies and traditional melee ganks last patch in full impen heavy 30k health builds.

Ranks are strong because of Proc Sets not because of this ring. Caluurion's and Ashen Grip seems to be popular these days. Personally , I think a simple fix would be for proc sets to not work from stealth and for 4 seconds after.

Wolfpaw wrote: »

React wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

Is it possible to get a comment on this from @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_Kevin or anyone from ZOS? This is clearly a large issue that is plaguing the game right now. Any sort of response would be very appreciated by the community.

It's not that bad, do we constantly want nerfs after a release? If anything it has made me better in PvP, I am not so dismissive to core combat abilities, timing, los, etc...

I hope no nerfs...but if a must, change Courage & Heroism to minor.

my 2c

Changing those two buffs to minor will do very little to alleviate the issues being caused by this mythic in PVP. Removing the heroism and the force entirely would be the bare minimum in order for this mythic to be somewhat balanced.

I am glad that it has helped you in PVP. It seems like the main thing it has done for you is lower the APM (actions per minute) you need to do while playing by removing the need for you to maintain buffs. That is fine, and that is what the ring is designed to do. Even with the heroism and force removed from the ring, you will still retain all the accessibility functionality it is providing you currently - but the setups I mentioned in the original post will cease to function as they are currently, and the PVP experience will improve for the vast majority of players.

Again it is fine for the mythic to provide accessibility for those who struggle with their actions per minute, but it is not fine for it to grant your average PVP player more damage than an entire 5/5/2 build, significant mitigation & sustain, and emperor tier ult gen in PVP.

My APM is not what I said makes me better, It's the ttk from enemies that has made me more aware due to increased damage output. Prior I would just keep BB buffs/hots and ignore most damage...in a damage build, not anymore.

My apm went from face tanking dmg w/buffs & hot uptime BB, to more of a focus on core combat abilities. Actually takes more skill w/one-bar.

Everyone running it ttk is more lethal & it's great.

The ring as is, is fine, & PvP feels great.

Having to press less buttons and manage less buffs is more skillfull and your proof is your performance has improved? Interesting conclusion.

And this is where I'm going to say, having said what I've already said...that certain sets need to be reworked to be less effective based upon how many group members there are. The range and damage on dark convergence needs to be brought down based on the numbers of your group similar to the way Rallying Cry works. Not to a degree to which it isn't viable, but as it stands now it's just too much. And as it pertains to making sets that proc an AOE status effect like Livewire....make Hrothgar....which is a pvp set...proc chilled on all within the radius. I mean all it takes is a simple rework in this instance. More sets that proc AOE status would be beneficial to the health of pvp though I think.

DizzyMac wrote: »

how was it that DKs were taking 0 damage with massive heals yet still dish out 19k one shots? and thats with me having 29k spell resist, 26k physical resist, 2500 crit resist and dual shields. the ring isnt the problem, people adapting to the changes is

New CP star that boosts next direct damage by 25% after block for 5s, couple that with corrosive and fully stacked whip. Your resist are irrelevant at that point, block/roll or you are dead. Also not a bad idea to look for green glow on DKs and escape when they have it.

DizzyMac wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

New CP star that boosts next direct damage by 25% after block for 5s, couple that with corrosive and fully stacked whip. Your resist are irrelevant at that point, block/roll or you are dead. Also not a bad idea to look for green glow on DKs and escape when they have it.

The DK was easy to figure out, the constant massive one shots from NBs not so much

Well depending on when, oneshots from NB were achieved by different means. They try to fix the most broken things here and there, but players find new and new ways to push for very high burst numbers.

I'd like them to reduce damage over the board, as well as healing, because when 30k+ builds get 2GCD'd it's obviously not right, same as bloakhealing from 10% to 100% in 2GCDs isn't right.

I've been murdered numerous times by oakensoul wearers and non oakensoul wearers, but it doesn't bother me. You guys seem to complain about everything. It's a wonder pvp still exists at this point.

To me, pvp isn't supposed to be like pve, so everyone shouldn't be doing the same small attacks. You have everything you need to create good defensive and offensive builds that can counter almost anything. I've done it with my healer, and I've seen other players do it as well. So your claims that the ring ruins the game is just silly.

If it's specifically aimed at nighblades and ganking, I can point out a few videos that showed gankers how to one shot even before this ring was even on the pts. This has existed for a long time it's not new at all. You're only complaining now because you enjoy complaining.

The ring is used for people like myself who are still new to this kind of game and is not capable of switching bars so quickly while in battle. I rarely ever use it on my nb because ganking is boring to me. I use it on my sorc and this has made everything so much easier for a potato like me. Am I OP? Not really. I can still die just as easily as before. The only difference is I can navigate my attacks better without needing worry about flipping bars and pressing the right button at the right time. You see, when you have no thumbs this is hard.

If you want to know what the real problem in pvp is, it's faction imbalance. It's difficult to do anything when one faction has 40+ people all at one keep and the other has no more than 20. Unfortunately, I never hear anyone complain about the things they can't fix on their own.

[I didn't read all the posts because it was too long, so if what I pointed out already came up...oops]