BretonMage wrote: »I can certainly understand a rule against impersonating an Elder Scrolls character
There are thousands of NPCs, I assume it would even be possible to choose the same name as one by accident, especially if you consider the typical Dunmer or Altmer naming conventions and choose a rather common name. It's not different to real life, just that IRL when you name your son Paul Smith, you can't be sued by an older Paul Smith, let alone be accused of trying to impersonate him
My best guess is that ZOS considers names from the ES IP to be covered by this:
“Names or material protected by copyright, trademark or other intellectual property rights cannot be used at any time except by the rightsholder. Rights ownership must be established prior to use on any ZeniMax Media, Inc. site or service. Any use of material protected by intellectual property rights that is not wholly owned by the account owner is a violation of the Agreement, including the Code of Conduct.”
They have clarified sometimes in other threads when there have been questions about how to understand the ToS/CoC. Perhaps they could consider doing so here.
BretonMage wrote: »This is probably where ZOS would use some discretion, I'd imagine. If it's a common enough sounding, generic ES name, for example Nirelon (just randomly picked from UESP), I'm sure ZOS wouldn't do anything, but if you named a character after a main character like Abnur Tharn or Queen Ayrenn, they might.
Ragnarok0130 wrote: »My best guess is that ZOS considers names from the ES IP to be covered by this:
“Names or material protected by copyright, trademark or other intellectual property rights cannot be used at any time except by the rightsholder. Rights ownership must be established prior to use on any ZeniMax Media, Inc. site or service. Any use of material protected by intellectual property rights that is not wholly owned by the account owner is a violation of the Agreement, including the Code of Conduct.”
They have clarified sometimes in other threads when there have been questions about how to understand the ToS/CoC. Perhaps they could consider doing so here.
As one who frequently deals with similar matters in the real world, in my reading of the limited information in this thread, the naming of one's character with a lore friendly name doesn't infringe on ZoS' IP as the usage in question is actually inside of ZoS' IP (the game) and not outside such as naming one's for profit YT channel after ZoS' IP. This has to be a bot or a poorly trained overzealous new employee and will likely be overturned.
ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »I've had exactly one interaction with the player in question which in retrospect I probably should have reported, but decided to ignore and move on because I know what it's like to have a bad day. Since then others I've talked to have had similar experience.
I'm just saying I'd be skeptical of the claim that they were banned for their name.
That is not what the CoC says tho. It says names from IPs may only be used by the rightsholder.
Ryath_Waylander wrote: »Just curious. Do they object to an account name, copied from an in game NPC, or a character name? I don't use lore friendly names for my account but I do sometimes use a surname for a toon of the same race.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
BloodMagicLord wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
With due respect, that is quite silly. Some people want to roleplay a character in the Elder Scrolls universe, that's why they bought a... Elder Scrolls roleplaying game.
BloodMagicLord wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
With due respect, that is quite silly. Some people want to roleplay a character in the Elder Scrolls universe, that's why they bought a... Elder Scrolls roleplaying game.
Actually, it makes sense. The character names are likely copy-write protected. I’ve seen major MMORPGs force name changes because a player chose a copyright protected name.
But again, there is likely more to the story.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
Can you clarify whether in cases like this the consequence is a ban or a suspension until name change? While I'm sure there are a lot of opinions on what should or shouldn't be allowed, I think the most concerning thing is what the consequences may be for unintentionally crossing the line. I don't know anything about this particular case, nor do I particularly care, but I think people would feel more comfortable knowing that if they make a mistake, or of the strictness of moderation changes, the consequence is having to rename a character/account name rather than losing access to your account for an indefinite time or even permanently.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
BloodMagicLord wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
With due respect, that is quite silly. Some people want to roleplay a character in the Elder Scrolls universe, that's why they bought a... Elder Scrolls roleplaying game.
Actually, it makes sense. The character names are likely copy-write protected. I’ve seen major MMORPGs force name changes because a player chose a copyright protected name.
But again, there is likely more to the story.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
So why not bake it into the Character Creation screen? Why doesn't the system tell you it's an invalid/illegal name when you're naming the toon? Again, you guys fall on really aggressive tactics.
The code of conduct statesZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
And nowhere does this say this is just limited to the game.You will not post, transmit, promote or distribute any dynamic or static user-created or custom content which is not wholly owned by the account owner.... Any use of material protected by intellectual property rights that is not wholly owned by the account owner is a violation of the Agreement, including the Code of Conduct.
CyberOnEso wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
The code of conduct statesYou will not post, transmit, promote or distribute any dynamic or static user-created or custom content which is not wholly owned by the account owner.Any use of material protected by intellectual property rights that is not wholly owned by the account owner is a violation of the Agreement, including the Code of Conduct.
Is me posting the name "Queen Ayrenn" on the forums against the TOS?
Am I allowed to say "Perfected Bahsei's Mania is a good item set"? Or is that in breach of the code of conduct?
Is this website in violation of the Code of Conduct https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/law-of-julianos? It distrubutes the name of an in- game item set. Nearly all in- game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc. are posted on fan sites, are those sites in breach of your code of conduct?
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey all, while we're not able to get into the specifics of this particular ban, we can clarify that names of in-game item sets, locations, major NPCs, bosses, etc are technically against the TOS (outlined in section 6.1).
I agree. But the code of conduct does not say that... at all.There's a pretty clear difference in discussion about the name/npc and presenting yourself as such.
Just like discussing a politician in real life is perfectly fine, but posing as them is fraud.
The code of conduct does not mention presenting yourself as an NPC is against the rules.You will not post, transmit, promote or distribute any dynamic or static user-created or custom content which is not wholly owned by the account owner