Mr_Stach wrote: »

Zos basically approached Warden and Necro with the DPS Tree, Tank Tree, Healing Tree. But ultimately when it comes to the "Tanking Tree", most Tank Build only use 2 of the 6 Winter's Embrace skills. In fact, you typically slot the bear on front bar to get the passive 12% Stam & Mag Recovery from Flourish.

Which is fine, I don't think we need a whole Tree dedicated to tanking when we have so many tanking tools already.

And then you look at frozen gate which is supposed to have 2 tank morphs. Look at how that turned out lol.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Man even if they made the Frozen gate just "Cold Scalding Rune" I'd be ok with it. It's just a waste of space. All changes since Morrowind have essentially been, "Stopped Frozen Gate from being Abused in PvP".

Yeah. I don't like "frost scalding rune" too much as an idea without it doing something unique. But I'll concede that it's infinitely better than it's current design.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Normally I would say it takes two to tango, but we've kinda been giving feedback and yelling from the rooftops for 5 years

The sad part is they say: we hear templars complains about the living dark morph and they buff the skill, don't get me wrong i mean it's fine they get some love too but I don't see to much movement of templars as we wardens because we are asking for some changes/buffs since day 1 of the pts cycle, that make me think, they even take feedback from the forum? Or they get feedback from another source?

That's an interesting Idea. Not sure how plausible it would be.

Greystag wrote: »

I really wish they looked at Winter's Grasp and used it as a template for the other Winter's Revenge skills. One morph is for tanking, and the other for damage dealing. Both extremely useful for both roles. It sets such a shining example for the rest of the skill tree, and then we have... Things like Frozen Gate or even Arctic blast.
Even as a tank I would always rather use Silver Leash, because the trap is too clunky to use effectively. The only times I've used Frozen Gate have been to help get friends to hard to reach spots, just to mess around. The ability to me is just a big joke and I would be fine if they reworked it entirely. At least reworking a morph should be a no-brainer.

Oh yeah and isn't cheap neither so if you miss the skill you get punish, you get punish too if you put a portal far away from you because enemies that touch the portal don't get drag to you and you just waste magicka.

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Still waiting on Warden's to get the frost spammable shown in the clip.

That is literally Frost Clench the warden in the clip is doing, it's just a video.

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Still waiting on Warden's to get the frost spammable shown in the clip.

That is literally Frost Clench the warden in the clip is doing, it's just a video.

No isn't because frost clench need a destro and in the video that warden don't use any destro.

That's a freezing ball like Sub-Zero from Mk and in my opinion 100% better for a spameable skill than throwing birds at ppl xD

Secret Video of the Warden Class Rep seeing us dis the Birds

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Secret Video of the Warden Class Rep seeing us dis the Birds

I'm sure they agree when it comes to SCR being an absolute joke.

Its been a few since I played ESO;

I have over 1000 hours on my frostden, and with the same build (swapping between a few key sets, both as the game developed and for specific content) I have gone 40:2 in Battlegrounds, completed vet DLC dungeon challenge mode content, and completed chapter vet trials as RL.

It seems to me, having kept somewhat up to date with changes during my long term hiatus, that there has been a consistent drain to the power of a frostdens lineup.
Shield nerfs, Northern Storm rework, changes to frost staves taunt where particularly annoying for me and my hybrid DPS/Tank/Anycontent build - depriving it of a as-needed taunt, Iceheart nerf, Winterborn major nerf/rework.

The kit is and has always been there, its just all a lot less impressive than it used to be.

EDIT: Old Permafrost was dumb, it was overused by underskilled players in PVP and rightfully annoyed a lot of people. ZOS responded by nerfing the general power of Magdens in PVP. They then added the same ability back onto arctic blast... lol. Skills like this are to be discoraged, as they disproportionately make the class less fun to play against and lead to nerfs to other parts of their toolkit to compensate.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

EDIT: Old Permafrost was dumb, it was overused by underskilled players in PVP and rightfully annoyed a lot of people. ZOS responded by nerfing the general power of Magdens in PVP. They then added the same ability back onto arctic blast... lol. Skills like this are to be discoraged, as they disproportionately make the class less fun to play against and lead to nerfs to other parts of their toolkit to compensate.

I think this is the biggest issue. Zos is really pushing these weird stuns with Warden but Templar and DK have instant on demand stuns. They also have the really klunky stun with Stone Giant.

Nobody likes to be stunned but I think every class should have access an Instant Stun. Just like every class should have easy access to Snare Immunity.

We still have to rely on garbage like flame clench which works against our shalks and forces us into using a fire staff. It's immensely frustrating.

Runefang wrote: »

I find it so interesting there is this huge push from a part of the community for frost Wardens to be a thing. But nobody cares that Sorcs are not a lightning mage like they could/should be. Or Nightblades used to be magic assassins but aren’t much of anything nowadays.

i think they really should be but i know next to nothing about sorc's design to make any posts on it. There's a huge number of sorcs out there that would know the design of sorc way better than me in order to push that. But i just don't see much of that.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I find it so interesting there is this huge push from a part of the community for frost Wardens to be a thing. But nobody cares that Sorcs are not a lightning mage like they could/should be. Or Nightblades used to be magic assassins but aren’t much of anything nowadays.

i think they really should be but i know next to nothing about sorc's design to make any posts on it. There's a huge number of sorcs out there that would know the design of sorc way better than me in order to push that. But i just don't see much of that.

It’s just an interesting observation. Definitely not a criticism of us Wardens. I feel like stamina wardens are in a pretty good spot now, just swap the magic damage buff with bleed damage buff and I think they’ll be pretty sweet. Then give us frost shalks, a dps ability out of frozen gate or artic wind and improving SCR and Magden will be good from a class theme perspective.

Well in group content everything will already be Breached so, there's no reason to run unless you are

1. Tanking
2. Soloing
3. PvPing
4. Really. REALLY Lazy <- That's the me one

Isn’t warden supposed to be a druid / ranger?