Cireous wrote: »

I am curious about the more interesting rewards for playing the card game, such as furnishings. I could be wrong here, but it almost sounded like they will be gated behind winning within a pvp/leader board playstyle. Is this true? What does the reward structure actually look like? With enough time spent just simply playing the game, regardless of how much I win or lose, can I still get all the higher tier rewards?

Now that would make me furious. I hate having to compete over stuff. If only the most uber card players can get furniture of some kind, that would just zugg something fierce.

They didn't say that specifically though, only that PvP-carding would give rewards when ranked, as I understood it. It may be just more chrystals or gold or somesuch. I am okey with that, if that is the case.

Hymzir wrote: »

Use less superlatives - less hyping how AMAZING you think your game is. 99% of the people who watch this thing already play the game, so we already know what it is. We just groan when we hear the same dried up and shrivelled market spiel we've been hearing for years now. Just get on with it, and actually tell us about the new expansion. We do not need the "OUR GAME IS JUST SOOOOOO AMAZING!!!!" nonsense at the beginning.

As for the presentation itself, please stop doing the "the audience is a fly on the wall listening to a discussion taking place between the devs" type thing. It's cringy as hell. It's not a real discussion. It doesn't sound like a believable conversation taking place between people who worked on the damn thing. It just comes across so fake that it hurts.

I really hate this fad in marketing - the ones Bethesda makes for Starfield are already painfully dumb to watch, but this one was even worse. And so much time was wasted on pointless fake chatter, instead of actually going over the specifics of the next chapter's offerings. You know, the actual things we want to hear about.

So to re-cap: Just tell us about the expansion - don't waste time on silly lines about "Let's do something pretty again."

This part was so cringe but I'm pretty sure the entire length of the stream was pre-recorded.

I haven't read all comments so maybe it's already been asked. It was said they learned from the feedback around the the first two companions and made some adjustments and improvements. Will Bastian and Mirri also be adjusted or just will only the two new ones benefit from this?

Hearing that some of the "cool" rewards will be locked behind that card game i have zero interest in playing made me want to buy high isle even less.

Reasoning: Knowing ZoS, they will put Card packs or other things in the Shop and it could, at worse case, become pay2win.
Also: locking "cool" rewards behind the card game makes it feel like they want to force us to play it so, on paper, it looks like players enjoy it.

I really do NOT look forward to high isle. It is more like a medium size patch than a entire Chapter and the asked price is very much to high for what little we get.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit are cool.

Yep, they are awesome. But I think that they are slowly starting to become um... a bit "overused" by the devs. Caska Is probably the most interesting Khajiit NPC out there, so I am glad to see her again as a returning NPC. With that said, whenever there is a new content there is at least one Khajiit NPC as a returning NPC (and it does not matter what the content is). Since the next story will be kinda about sailing, I am surprised that there are no returning Argonian NPCs (like Captain One-Eye for example). I mean, technically, in a world of ESO, if you were a ship captain you would actually want to have as many Argonians as posible in your crew as they are the best candidates for the sailors (breathing underwater, faster swimming etc).

I don't remember any major returning Khajiit NPC's in Morrowind, Clockwork City, Greymoor, Blackwood. Razum was in Summerset and Elsweyr. Am I missing others?

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

So to wrap up, the sentence wasn't formed to say we don't want honest feedback. We have other avenues for that, like the PTS threads that will be shared. But feedback from the thread will be used not only to share feedback on what players think about the information shared specifically in the presentation, but how it was shared.

The shifting camera angles was disturbing. Your presenters look odd staring off into space while you shoot them from below and to the side. Shots on people not speaking is not good. This isn't art, it's presentation and it should be clear who's who and who's speaking.

A sound check would be helpful. People were calling it out in chat but apparently no one was scanning chat.

Your older livestreams were set up better and were more engaging. This one was forced seeming and lackluster.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Reposting from another thread and hope to get some clarification from ZOS - must we play the card game to make progress in some of the quests?




Okay, so this one was reading the card game details from https://eso-hub.com/en/guides/tales-of-tribute-guide

The game makes more sense now, but still sounds stressful. What if you are terrible at the game and lose all your cards?

Also, this line is a bit worrying

“Players can also make progress on quests when playing against NPCs.”

Does that mean some quests require compulsory card playing to complete the quest?? This one hopes he is wrong

To clarify, these are quests related to Tales of Tribute. You o

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin can you please check on this question?

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Reposting from another thread and hope to get some clarification from ZOS - must we play the card game to make progress in some of the quests?




Okay, so this one was reading the card game details from https://eso-hub.com/en/guides/tales-of-tribute-guide

The game makes more sense now, but still sounds stressful. What if you are terrible at the game and lose all your cards?

Also, this line is a bit worrying

“Players can also make progress on quests when playing against NPCs.”

Does that mean some quests require compulsory card playing to complete the quest?? This one hopes he is wrong

So we should have more info on this in the PTS patch notes today. However just to clarify, no questlines outside of the Tales of Tribute questline will require you to play to complete a quest. Questlines are not gated behind Tales of Tribute, so if you do not wish to engage in the system, you don't have to.

Thank you @ZOS_Kevin for this clarification!

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

The actual chapter story and location looks great and I’m excited to play it and get the new companions. I am not however excited for the card game, in fact I will avoid it at all costs. Do not lock things we need for the real game behind the card game.

You won't need anything, but I bet you're going to WANT a bunch of stuff. New fancy chandelier? Locked behind the card game as a seasonal limited reward. It's fine for me, I like card games and this one looks interesting, but I'm not sure on how I'm going to deal with 20 min long matches AND playing the rest of the game. I have limited playtime.

Elsonso wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

I haven't read all comments so maybe it's already been asked. It was said they learned from the feedback around the the first two companions and made some adjustments and improvements. Will Bastian and Mirri also be adjusted or just will only the two new ones benefit from this?

I expect that MIrri and Bastian are unchanged. They did not say they were changed, and it would be out of character for them to go back and update released content, especially without saying so.

@Elsonso @Snamyap
From what I recall, ZoS mentioned recording some additional dialogue variety for the companions (i.e. Mirri +Bastian). I don't think that their quests or other companion attributes (skills, favor issues, quests etc.) would be affected though.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit are cool.

Yep, they are awesome. But I think that they are slowly starting to become um... a bit "overused" by the devs. Caska Is probably the most interesting Khajiit NPC out there, so I am glad to see her again as a returning NPC. With that said, whenever there is a new content there is at least one Khajiit NPC as a returning NPC (and it does not matter what the content is). Since the next story will be kinda about sailing, I am surprised that there are no returning Argonian NPCs (like Captain One-Eye for example). I mean, technically, in a world of ESO, if you were a ship captain you would actually want to have as many Argonians as posible in your crew as they are the best candidates for the sailors (breathing underwater, faster swimming etc).

Argonians may be the better choice, but it is a lot more fun to watch a cat fall in the water.

Overall, very unimpressed. [snip] I believe there was a line similar to "You can't talk about Bretons without talking about Druids." Where does that come from? I scoured all of the Elder Scrolls history I could find, and the only mention of Bretons and Druids is related to this new chapter. It seems that this new backstory was just pulled out of thin air, as opposed to building on some well-established and widely understood history. There were plenty of other examples of this kind of thing that created a sense of no confidence in the ability of the people at the helm to steer this ship in a direction I would enjoy. As a result, the video made me feel like I made the right decision in not pre-ordering the chapter. I don't think that's the desired effect, though, of this kind of reveal.

This thread is requesting feedback on the format of the show, vs feedback on the chapter itself. It's hard to divorce the two, though. Was the show effective? How do you gauge its effectiveness? To some degree, you could say that even if it made you predisposed to hating the new chapter, it still provided the information for you to come to that conclusion effectively. I suppose. However, my guess is that a better metric would be, did this show make you excited to continue buying and subscribing? And the answer to that is, no. There was little that I could point to and say "that was an honest communication that targeted things I felt were important." [snip]

I understand the need to sell chapters. You can't spend a whole year without giving the art department something to do, for instance, or you'll have 100 idle hands that need to be paid. That directly implies the need to make new content. I get that. The downside is that this runs counter to a general community feel of "do we really need more content when there are so many existing problems?" And the show seemed very ignorant of that feeling, instead focusing entirely on trying to convince the viewer that new content is a good thing. To me, it isn't, and this predisposes me to disliking whatever I see. I'm still angry about the loss of achievement tracking [snip]. So shows like this don't really improve upon that stance in any useful capacity.

What I'd personally like to see is a more honest portrayal of things. Don't take people that know little about TES lore, put them in charge of a story, and have them come out with statements that are just plain wrong. Instead, own up to it. There wouldn't have been anything wrong with saying that there wasn't much in the way of existing Druidic / Breton lore, so we created new stuff in an area where there was room to do so without conflicts. That would have been honest, and a lot harder to negatively spin. In turn, be honest about the problems, be honest about the technical difficulties you face, be honest about decisions you make that you know are bad but are being forced upon you for some outside reason. THAT would make for a much better show, at least for me [snip]

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