Zero interest in the card game. Don't like stuff like that in general. I didn't even like Gwent in Witcher 3.

Mushroomancer wrote: »

CyberOnEso wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

I’m hoping there is more information coming during the announcement today as everything in this thread is underwhelming to say the least. Between the pandemic impacting work schedules and deliverables, the surprisingly small crew overall, the new Microsoft management/ownership and the likely human resource loans to Starfield, I guess we should not be surprised by the small scale of the new chapter.

There will be new information in the annoucement stream.

We know nothing really about the chapter zone itself aside from it's name and a good idea of it's location.

I just want to mention that technically speaking Tales of Tribute is complex, really complex.
Deck building is a complex system,
A new game UI, and system is technically complex. You have to write whole new game logic, and make that work in an 8 year old game, it's complex.
Having this work against both NPC's and other players is extremely complex.

This was not a quick decision to chuck in a new system, tehcnically this is really challenging to implement, I don't think this is deserving of being called small scale, in my opinion just based on that one sentence it will be technically the most complex new system they have added to the game, ever.

I mean, that just makes it even worse in my opinion. With all the features people have been requesting, the dreadful performance, and the beyond disappointing content of the last two years, THIS is what they have been pouring all of their resources in? If it is, as you say, a really complex system, that makes me very very worried for the future of ESO, being in the hands of a company that is so astronomically out of touch with both their playerbase and the feedback it gives, and what a game like this needs to grow even further. Now call me crazy, but I am very doubtful that what this game needs to grow is a god damn card game. Who the hell even asked for this? Seriously.

My theory as to what happened is that after development of Elder Scrolls Legends stopped in 2019 some of the team from that game came to ESO and worked on this system.

System desigers, UI engineers, artists etc. all need new projects to work on, and this is that for some of them.

There are only so many back- end or engine engineers at ZOS and I am sure they are working on performance, but there are people at ZOS that can't do that, it's not their job, and unless they are to be laid off due to the performance issues they are still going to need to be working on something.

I think, and hope, that the people at ZOS who are resonsible for the low level server and client arcitecture are working on performance and those qualified to so are doing this. But that a new sub- team was formed with some from ZOS and some from Elder Scrolls Legends to work on this and future systems. They will be systems designers and their whole job is to create new systems, gameplay and server engineers are probably working on performance as much as is possible.

A good and complex cardgame also needs good balancing . Looking at the balancing in pvp and pve after more than half a decade, i wouldn't get hyped for an eso card game even if i was a card game fan. [snip]

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A whole lot of people have read a single (a single!) line from the datamine or maybe even just read other people talking about it and immediately placed the card game (yes there will be one, but we dont know anything about it) at the center of the whole new chapter...

i really wish i had popcorn while reading this thread, it's amazing

I love ESO, and I love deck building games. I have countless hours on both for steam. However, I can't help but feel a strong sense of disappointment with the idea of a deckbuilder being the main feature of the chapter. I was really excited to finally see something of substance.

Spellcrafting would have been unrealistically ideal, a new class would have added some flavor, even a new race could possibly open up some new builds. New weapons or skill lines, something to shake things up.

Maybe we will get class refreshes at least? As a base game upgrade? A lot of classes feel outdated and stale, and every class uses the same homogenized builds and sets. Perhaps a rework here could bring that same type of life into the game that I was hoping for.
Perhaps add an element of strategy and rotation to DPS roles (rather than the layered dots with spammables we all use), as well as class identity like Magden using frost and Magsorc using lightning. Something to make each class feel unique and distinct in their roles including different healing styles and tanking styles.

Meh, I'll wait and see. I wasn't expecting a card game, but this datamine is literally just a text box. Who knows what it'll be like yet.

After all, I remember when Greymoor was announced and everyone was like "ugh, antiquities.." It ended up being a really fun diversion, giving us loads of motifs (even if they could give us better drop rates on those leads...), lots of lore, and came with a really useful passive to find chests. I wasn't expecting much, and I enjoyed it a lot.

I remember when "ugh, companions" hit right after Blackwood was announced. Yeah, they're dumb as rocks sometimes, but it is kinda fun to have some extra DPS on my side so I don't have to rebuild my character just to do overland quests, and allowing me to duo dungeons with a companion is a nice challenge and is really fun. I still wish they'd give me a command to place companions or have them activate things so I could clear all dungeons, but it ended up being a lot more fun than I was expecting. Pity I just have to grind the one up so I can get the one I like back out...

So I wasn't expecting this, but I'm not going to write it off. It could be just a nice diversion, or it could be something interesting. Whatever. There'll also be a trial coming so I can do things with high-level friends, and new motifs, and a new landmass, and a new story (and I bet Ancestral Breton's finally coming). I'd be getting the chapter for more than just a card game on the side.

I do notice that they are probably letting you compete against players, so this is technically PvP as well. True, it's PvP similar to how objective BGs are PvP, but it does mean that they're trying to make this for everyone. I also know that they'll probably be hesitant to make a new class since that's a lot of balancing issues with 3x5 active skills, 3 ults, and a bunch of passives, and if they release a new class without adding class change tokens or new character slots, people will riot. Yes, I'd have preferred spears, but I already know that people would be up in arms if I got that ("omg too many stam weapons! We need to regrind all the set pieces and motifs!")

Paulytnz wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Harvokaan wrote: »

tomfant wrote: »

Card game = PvP that is not plagued by lag and desync.

Description states that it is against NPCs so still no new pvp mode xDD
I had almost no expectations and yet i feel disappointed again (third year in a row). I really hope it is a joke and they will show something good today but yeah...

I can't help but think of FF8 when I think of card games...and I cringe...hard.

What are you talking about, that card game was awesome!? I really hope it's as good as that, if not better. I also hope it's like a Pokemon way for collecting the cards. Go and kill mobs for that 1% chance for the card drop. They can also add them to Treasure Chests for zones that don't have special things yet such as Ancestral Motifs etc.

It's game systems like these being added to the game that drew me to this game and away from Guild Wars 2. There it's all just combat, combat, combat, story, story, story - BORING!

Sounds good to me! I can completely ignore this new thing that I have no interest in to focus on the previous content that I need ti catch up on

CyberOnEso wrote: »

The banner image of High Isle

Those graphics look like they're from a Runescape cinematic. I really hope that's not final. I think the contrast needs to be turned up for brighter edges and darker shadows.

Good Stuff.

Elsonso wrote: »

CyberOnEso wrote: »

My theory as to what happened is that after development of Elder Scrolls Legends stopped in 2019 some of the team from that game came to ESO and worked on this system.

I dunno. Pretty sure Legends was a commissioned game. Dire Wolf and Sparkypants are not part of the Zenimax family. Yes, game devs do tend to wander between studios, so ZOS could have picked up some of them for this project. Obtaining the IP would not be an issue, I should think.

But... I expect that this is a system the mimics a card game, not a card game embedded in an MMORPG game. Concepts might transfer, but the Legends game itself probably does not. That means that maybe the developers of Legends would only be necessary for the concepts, and any developer that worked on a card game could probably provide that. IF that knowledge is even needed. They could simply base this all on Pacrooti's card handling and take an early lunch. (<- not serious)

My expectation for a card game system in ESO is that it will not be nearly as complex as Legends was.

Ahh okay, that's a good point that I was un aware of.

For sure the game could not be as complex, but what they have said it will do is no easy task either.
They do have a lot of very beautiful assets to work from, and it seems like they shared assets/ artists between the teams already.

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

I wonder how an isle the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell is going to pop up on the map.

I seriously doubt this is going to be the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell. Im guessing this is going to be the size of Auridon at best.

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

I wonder how an isle the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell is going to pop up on the map.

I seriously doubt this is going to be the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell. Im guessing this is going to be the size of Auridon at best.

If this is true: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596445/i-might-ve-found-where-the-new-chapter-could-be-located-spoilers#latest
We will get barely half the size of Auridon.

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

I wonder how an isle the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell is going to pop up on the map.

I seriously doubt this is going to be the size of Summerset or Vvardenfell. Im guessing this is going to be the size of Auridon at best.

Why are people acting like either of those were enormous zones? A good half of Summerset is untraversable mountain and the same is said for Vvardenfell's volcano.