A drop in the ocean at this point, but I'd like to add my feedback: No. Please no. Deathmatch is probably my least favorite game mode.

Magio_ wrote: »

Reading half the posts on this thread, clearly there is appetite for Objective Modes. Even though I would never play them because I believe they promote avoiding combat and they're just bad PvP, I feel like the people who enjoy these modes should be able to queue for them. I also want to be able to queue specifically into the BG mode I prefer.

Before this current DM only test, there was also a lot of threads opened about playerbase discontent with the Random Solo + Group system, from players that prefer playing Deathmatch and players that prefer Objective modes alike. During the Solo Queue test, if you can even call it just a "test" considering how long it lasted, there was massive backlash on the forums about not being able to group for a Group v Group v Group PvP mode and resulted in a massive loss of previously consistent players in several of the BG guilds I was part of. Organized competition died overnight.

I would bet that the amount of threads opened showing discontent about the Group-Only + Specific Queues was way lower than any of the other Queue systems that have been implemented since. ZOS really needs to take into consideration, that even the ones opened about the Group Only Specific Queue system were usually just QQ threads about getting "beat by premades", which wasn't always true. To this very day, people in my guilds receive hate tells about "being in a premade" as solo queuers, sometimes even after a Solo Queue match. It's completely asinine.

ZOS, you keep saying Battlegrounds don't have the population to support Group Queue, Solo Queue, and Specific Queues. Just please bring back the Group + Specific Queue system we had and add an identifier to being grouped to the scoreboard. That way, people will see that it's not always a premade when they get beat and the toxicity towards other players and the general discontent with that old queue system will both drop.

The Solo Queues can be added later on if the population ever grows enough to support it.

The solo queue is easily the healthier queue imo. If it were removed I would never do BGs again. The group queue allows a group to coordinate and completely shutdown the gameplay of anyone else who is not in a coordinated group. This is fine if solo players have an option to join that queue or not. But when they can only queue in group, they can't possibly ever have a chance of success against true teams. Competitively, it is such a ridiculous advantage to be in a coordinated team, that joining solo is absolutely not viable for success.

Where the solo queue shines is, while one match may be skewed in one direction, you don't often end up facing the same team match after match. While you may see the same players here and there, they are rarely in the same groups. So it provides a more varied and far more balanced experience. Not everyone can get a group together at all times of day to enjoy a BG match, and the solo queue works for that, and not everyone can even get together a group at all for any kind of consistent learning, but they still want small scale PVP, the solo queue works for that. The group queue does not. Both queues need to exist.

ZOS has to stop this madness at once. Make one DM only with premades and a solo with all BG modes. That IMO would end this crazy times.

Oh and ALSO NO preselected mode. Thunbnail should say: select mode and let people pick. TY

First of all I'm thrilled that ZOS is finally taking feedback for BGs and that there is a healthy amount of feedback. I'm sure my thoughts will be repetitive to what other's are saying, but I really enjoy BGs and the environment there has been very sad as of late. I understand that the DM only que will please some BG players, but I think it will harm the already diminishing population. I agree the rate of DMs was way too low; the point of PVP is to kill other players, not run around after some unkillable tank build time and time again. However, from what I've seen, BGs is a mesh of of skilled vet PVPers (who just want some quick, fast paced action), to BGs only PVPers (those who enjoy playing with their friends of different factions, or just want to enjoy some casual fast paced PVP), and PVErs (players who want to dip their toes in PVP but are too intimidated or disinterested in the campaign modes). Therefore, I think there still should be some variety in types of modes you can play. I also think that too often BGs get lumped in with the problems IC and Cyrodiil (hello new sets). DM only ques only satisfies a small percentage of players and completely ignores the complaints of the majority of players. What are the major complaints?

1. PROC SETS PROC SETS PROC SETS. I don't think that it could be anymore clear what players think of them and the vicious cycle they weave. Vet players complain that they encourage mindless, skill less play and discourage build diversity, so they end up leaving. And it's been proven to be true in every recap I've had this patch (Which combination of the same 3 sets have I been hit by?). The stats on these sets are so insane that with two clicks of a button you can achieve more damage and healing than any of your actual skills or abilities. New players use these sets as crutch without gaining any actual skill and are at a loss when these sets become nerfed. Experienced players who are frustrated at being unable to compete with these stats take on an attitude of "well can't beat them, so might as well join them", and inevitably just end up steam rolling everyone. So the proc cycle continues and everyone is unhappy.

2. LAG. I don't know why this isn't more of a priority when it's honestly one of the biggest complaints I hear from other players. And this is an issue that goes beyond PVP. Both PVPers and PVErs alike have had enough of the lag and are tired of hearing their complaint about this go unacknowledged. We could even deal with the proc sets if our skills would fire correctly and other players wouldn't appear and disappear out of nowhere.

3. I have also seen others suggest that there should be more incentives and I would agree with this. Aside from a few titles a few sets and transmutes you can get, there isn't a lot to get people who aren't big PVP players to really get into battlegrounds. I also believe that more incentives (maybe some cool skins, or mounts, or titles. Something to work towards) would also keep the attention of experienced and gain the interest of new players.

Just some thoughts.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Why not just make it where people can choose what modes they're interested in? Like an options checklist so players can choose multiple different ones or only one. I personally dislike death match and prefer all the other modes, so if I had an options checklist I would check all except DM when I go to queue for BG.

I feel like every "test" update that ZOS comes out with for BG is just pushing more and more players away from BG. Like when they got rid of group queue me and my friends stopped playing BG cause playing together was the fun part for us. Now they've gotten rid of every mode except DM and most of my friends have stopped playing BG cause their favorite mode to play is just gone.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

After we have a chance to digest some of the feedback and data from this experiment, we’ll decide on what the next steps should be for Battleground queue options and consider the best way to add the other Battleground game modes back in.

Thanks for your continued interest and support! We’re excited to hear what you think.

Why not just set up the queue system identically to the dungeon finder, where you can pick which games to queue for?

I'm Def not interested in DM only..dull

I personally prefer objective modes more than DM.

Just my 2c, I will participate but do not like that I have no choice.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hello all!

When Battlegrounds first launched, we initially saw some data and feedback showing a preference specifically towards the Deathmatch game mode. With the recent removal of the option to choose a game mode when queuing for a Battleground, we’ve now seen an uptick in players choosing to treat any game mode as Deathmatch. In an effort to increase Battleground population and interest, the Solo and Group queues will only offer the Deathmatch game mode for a period of time. This change will occur during next week's maintenances, on September 20 for PC/Mac/Stadia and September 22 on consoles.

After we have a chance to digest some of the feedback and data from this experiment, we’ll decide on what the next steps should be for Battleground queue options and consider the best way to add the other Battleground game modes back in.

Thanks for your continued interest and support! We’re excited to hear what you think.

Is there some reason why, after seeing how many people are upset with you completely removing the objective-based battlegrounds, you guys can't make separate queues?

-Solo Deathmatch
-Group Deathmatch
-Solo Objective
-Group objective

From my perspective y'all seem to be perfectly capable of doing such a thing and I think it would be a massive improvement.

I haven't ran a single BG since you took away my favorite games. Deathmatch is cool but tweaking a toon until it can survive all the different flag and ball games is fun and I'm pretty upset that they're all gone.

😭😭😭 give me back my chaosballllll

I think Dark Convergence killed BGs more than this experiment did.
I would have participated more if it weren't for that set. It's spammed every match, it's extremely disruptive and ruins the fun.
I used to play a few matches every day because it was really fun, but now it's just frustrating to play.

I gotta say, Battlegrounds was the only thing that continued to keep me coming back to ESO after the big update that left the voice channels broken.....but DeathMatch was the worst game mode. Just like others that have commented - It's only fun for those who know how to build OP characters and OP sets. I do understand that alot of people were treating other game modes like deathmatch, but it didn't matter when it came to strategy and I always had fun.
I see people saying give better rewards....I don't know about that personally because I was fine with the rewards and I liked the challanges given by Battlemaster Riven BUT I think if you really want your audience to maximize on battlegrounds, then it should be OPTIONAL GAME MODE!
If you want to play death match and show off your OP character , You can choose deathmatch!
If you want to play Crazy King or any Capture the Flag mode, You can choose those game modes!
If you want to play Chaos Ball, You can choose Chaosball!

This sounds like the most fair option to me when it comes to choosing game modes. Now that it's deathmatch only, I won't be logging onto ESO very often anymore, and I especially will not be playing Battlegrounds anymore until this is changed.
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks so much for your participation, patience and feedback while we experimented with only having the Deathmatch game mode available. It was important for us to run this for a few weeks to ensure we had an accurate representation of overall involvement and interest in Battlegrounds during this time.

First, it’s valuable to note the general feedback on this test was quite polarizing. While there were certainly a lot of players that liked only having Deathmatch available, there were just as many that didn’t enjoy it. A frequent complaint we saw, though, was the disappointment that we removed something that is ultimately at the core of our game: the freedom of choice. And in the case of this test, the data appeared to back that up as well. Although we initially saw a very slight bump in participation, it quickly declined and has left Battleground populations in a fairly unhealthy state.

Starting with the launch of Update 32 (November 1 for PC/Mac/Stadia and November 16 for consoles), we’ll be giving you more choices to decide which game mode to queue into depending on if you are playing solo or with a group. These will include:

• Solo Deathmatch
• Solo Random Battleground
• Group Deathmatch
• Group Random Battleground

One thing to keep in mind is the random queue will include all game modes (Flag Games, Land Grabs, and Deathmatch) so the likelihood of getting Deathmatch is going to be higher for those queueing into that game mode, specifically.

We’ll continue to monitor the sentiment and participation rates with Battlegrounds once this rolls out next month, and we’ll let you know if we plan for any additional changes. Thanks again for posting all your thoughts during this time!

Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno !