By the way, remember to occasionally check you do not have the lead already, sometimes - at least with autoloot - the game forgets to give any notice when one drops. I've spent some time farming for (non-Blackwood) leads I already had. I myself do have some Blackwood leads I have no idea where Ive got em. (Too bad those will expire before sale.)

If the outrage is bad now, imagine when update 31 rolls around and the absolutely gut the kilt.

Marcus_Thracius wrote: »

If only you could make it farmable only in cyro , oh the joy 😹

Yeah, lead for Mal from Horror in IC is enough.

If not my NB who "stole" loot from boss defeated by other team, I would never get it solo, cause those pvpers were always hitting me in back while i was fighting boss.

They had to feel really good while killing guy already fighting with horror. Felt proud about it! Who knows, maybe even touch themselves...

Seriosly, why those people are like that? Zerglings attacking from behind... I can count on fingers of a single palm real 1:1 duels I had in Cyro.

I am still annoyed by the state in which stranglers were left. The arteum fishing was a similar nightmare of too few spots, too many people, and GD IT... you made me fish!

You made me fish, then reduced the mythic to uselessness.

Red_Feather wrote: »

That sounds miserable. I made a topic about the last mythic I bothered to go for. I hated the lead farm so much I quit ESO for months. Nobody noticed I was gone. 😭

i just dont farm these things.

robpr wrote: »

It's not about the drop chance, it's about how it's executed, how other people can actively sabotage your try. You can fish with other people, loot is shared on mobs if you contribute any damage, same with world bosses, but nodes dissapears when you pick them up. Also they can be picked up by person on another instance/shard and make them disapear even if you are standing right next to it.
You can share nodes by turning off auto loot and picking them up in order by multiple people, with last person picking them up and only looting the lead, but try to teach that to all other people that camp every possible spawn point.

and then there are those with lag. by the time they see the node, it is disappearing. this is how you steal chests. the other person lags just a tiny bit behind you and you can grab it.

nukk3r wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Ihliki wrote: »

Not sure if the problem is the game or the human race... Human behaviours were...quite a thing to watch today in Shadowfen

more human but also case from which side? players or dev who designed this and released? it is much bigger blame on dev side because they actually could predict this from similiar events before in this game, players frustation, toxicity is only reaction to such flawed system release by devs

and we cant even say devs didnt predict this, they may predicted this and maybe even wanted this for tests or whatsoever or just for their fun to look at players now how they are jumping with knifes to each other becasue of some pixels and human selfiness along with complationism/collectioning/catching meta to get fresh item

human race nature is problematic and this is great showed up by devs here, not by players, players are just reaction of people who are devs of this game with long story and enough experience from this game to know what they can cause by doing what they have done now

The devs aren't responsible for the players who lack manners, self-restraint, and impulse control. Your invested time doesn't guarantee any drops, and that's the fundamentals of any MMO.

Honestly, I'm a bit terrified by the people going postal because of game items that have no impact on real life.

real life? what's that? :P

Arkew wrote: »

that's gonna be funny if zos nerf kilt into oblivion when the next dlc dungeon be released.

isnt that how it always goes? hype a new something, then nerf it not to far down the road? did it to warden, necro, imperial. it is standard procedure.

Figured I would chime in AFTER getting the lead. Of course, there are 4 types of people.

1. The dude that got very lucky and got it within a few attempts. Great, grats, awesome for you, but keep your darn mouth shut if you are here to act like its not a problem.
2. The dude that is all high and mighty and acts like farming is beneath them. You add zero value to the conversation about this particular item and the associated grind.
3. The dude that's like why are all these people in shadowfen? They probably dont even have a forum account.
4. The people that are enduring/have endured the complete and total nonsense that is this grind.

Shame on ZOS for this nonsense. They nerf monster sets enough to make this mythic best in slot, and mandatory gear for any trifecta group/prog. They then put one of the leads behind the laziest and worst designed grind I have ever encountered. A grind that is toxic by its very nature. There is no sharing, or collaboration, just My Node, Get your Own!

Personally, it took me over 200 Nodes and approximately 16+ hours to get this thing. "Farming" nodes is impossible. Every single one is camped by at least one person, if you find one, you are forced to stick to it because finding a second node takes longer than the respawn. Even if you have been camping for hours, people still try to come and take over. They couldnt have made a more toxic grind if they tried. It would be one thing if the drop rate were reasonable, but its not. I have to imagine that the drop rate is less than 1%. Of the other leads:

World Boss: 3 attempts (this is about average for WB leads).
Fishing: 3rd Fishing Hole (might have got lucky here).
Covenant Soldiers: Farmed a small circle for maybe 20 minutes.
ROM: First Run (dungeon boss leads like this seem to be around 30-50%, no issues so for with this type)
Shadowfen Water Plants: 200+ nodes that spawn between 3-10 minutes apart from what I can tell. Took 25 minutes just to find one that was unoccupied. Camped from roughly 4pm-8am with a few short breaks.

Been around since beta, taken my share of breaks, and this is the type of nonsense that makes me want to take another.

The issue with the mythic is the terribly designed mythic system. Its been that way since they came out.

Mythics 100% to me were a bad path - More things to balance - more grind forced into the game - WAY WAY more powercreep than people that compained about "adding 30 more CP to 1.0 system!".

Anyway to address the Kilt:

1. Add more zones - Not just one to get leads.
2. ALL alchemy nodes should count.
3. Scale up RoM drop rate <isn't that bad a farm, but Normal/Vet/Vet HM should have different drop rates>.
4. Maybe add **Any covenant** mob type from that faction zones for that one? Unsure how many exists, but man its silly atm, would SUCK if you were trying to quest.

miteba wrote: »

Zos should make Shadowfen the next PvP event zone!
Since we already had a special Mid Year Mayhem in January... They could make it a PvP zone and let the toxicity take It's course...

Do it Now instead.