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THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG
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Dunhilda✭✭✭ok this is REALLY getting ***, you thought one or two vamps wiping a zerg was bad, how about a group of vampires now?
It's getting impossible to get anything done vs groups of vampires either invincible or invisible with bat swarm, this is seriously starting to *** me off.
Would ESO move your asses and focus on this issue plz because this is REALLY game breaking
Remember WoW PVP? Yeah ZoS doesn't care either PvE is first.
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SBR_QuorTek✭✭✭If you don't like pvp and am a carebear (someone that hates pvp completely or never getting into it) then why did you enter a pvp zone to begin with... if you don't like pvp at all stay away from it, it is very a very simple thing to do.
This is not a hater vs pve'rs though I like both pve and pvp myself as it is, but entering a pvp zone you put yourself at risk, if want the quests in there... well good chance you can get to do them.. but don't grief people that pvp in there if you get killed by them, afterall if there for pve only you are there by own choice as well and have to live with the risks that comes by being in a pvp zone as it is.... personally would sneak in... kill person, sneak away again... or die trying lol... often tried killing someone and then an army of enemies is just on top of the hill lol....0 -
ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I'll go over this quickly, but you can find the recipe elsewhere in this thread. You take a vampire dragon knight, the passives that reduce ultimate costs from DK, the vampire stage cost reduction, and mist form. With stage 4 vampirism, and the DK ultimate cost reduction, you end up with an ultimate that runs around 4 points. Which is extremely spamable. This makes for an almost impossible to kill panic button that can be fired off almost instantly.
This is incorrect information.
DK CANNOT get Ultimate down to 4 (Only Sorcs Vamps have that theoretical possibility).
DK DOES NOT have ultimate cost reduction.
I wish people actually looked up correct information before posting instead of spreading rumours that are passing as truth.Edited by ThreeEyedCrow on April 25, 2014 3:31PMV12 Corporal
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Phyrdrin✭✭✭✭Garrett_hardy_ESO wrote: »Omg they used an ultimate and a bunch of noobs sat there like ***. Use a fire spell on them. Problem solved. In a zerg and not one person has magelight (already mentioned above) Vamps are SUPER weak in PVP and you in here complaining about them just bring shame and humility upon you.
Thank you. Very well said. Vampires are very squishy. If they found a way to defeat a zerg of you then that is skill and serious effort. Kudos to them for being excellent players. You lost? Learn from your mistake and jump back in the fray. You're certainly not going to do that by complaining the customer support section of the forums.
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I find it amusing how the ones defending the vampire PVP are likely the ones that are using/exploiting it, as I said before they can solve this problem by either nerfing the Vampire and WW skills or completely turning them off during PVP, so when your PVPing you can still be a vampire in appearance but you won't have access to that skill tree. Make it a PVE skillset only, an element like this is more hassle then what its worth anyway and you know it Zenimax.4
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Phyrdrin✭✭✭✭The idea of nerfing something that already has so many disadvantages is what amuses me. Vampires and WW are not only riddled with bugs to where their abilities don't work the way they are supposed to half the time, but they are just 1 skill tree. Having trouble with the undead? You have a fighter's guild tree to counter it AND poison and fire damage. I don't care how much healing you have. If you are a vampire and get smacked with fire, you will either die eventually or run out of mana and die because you're spending all your time healing. There are tricks and way of winning in both scenarios. The fun of the game is finding your niche and improving it."Surprise me. Say something intelligent."2
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Inzababa✭✭✭PVE players saying PVP vamps are fine
even this thread is driving me mad lolResistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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ZakyUchiha✭✭✭To all posters here, please post your level in your signature.
Clearly most do not understand what's going on or even doing PvP.Edited by ZakyUchiha on April 25, 2014 3:58PMName: Zaky Warbringer
Level: Veteran Rank 12
Class: Templar
Race: Imperial
Faction: Ebonheart Pact
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AryaWythers✭✭✭Fire ballistas Kill Vamps with a quickness...and when you have add on for combat damage you can tell when you hit one0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYQkBm_kWM&feature=player_detailpage#t=556
the two vamps wrecking a whole zerg made me think the zerg leader was Yuan Shao himself!
Sorry for the double post...but have been playing Romance of The Three Kingdom games for almost 30 years...never knew there was a show. Thank you for enlighting me
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Inzababa✭✭✭AryaWythers wrote: »Fire ballistas Kill Vamps with a quickness...and when you have add on for combat damage you can tell when you hit one
check the 2nd video I'm actually on a fire ballista with a guild mate, if they fighting a zerg, fire damage does NOTHING to them.
Also wiped out entire raids with flaming oil at bridge and other choke point and the only ones to survive that were vamps who then proceeded to wipe us.?.Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »honestly, this sounds like 5 or 6 lvl 10 newbies where out strolling about, and 2 high level vamps wiped the floor with them....now they think that vamps are op
no offense intended here, but there is no such thing as 2 players wiping a zerg, unless the zerg in question consists of players that pvp for the first time, or are extremely low level
you will see a lot of DKs trying to solo small zergs and groups of players, by using standard of might & burning talons etc, and I can personally confirm from the experience I made on my DK, that it can work....however if you try the same thing and end up facing a group of players that know what they're doing, you immediately notice the difference -> quicker and smarter reactions combined with a mass of stuns, roots and other CCs going your way, followed by high dps skills...boom you're dead - previously you could solo the same amount of players, and now you had no chance -> its all in the skill and pvp experience of the players you are facing
as for vampire nightblades:
the drain essence skill of vamps can be interrupted with a simple stunbreak, LMB+RMB default button...if a nightblade goes into invisible mode during your fight, start blocking and the attack he throws at you from invi will be reduced to crap....if you get stealth-ganked by a player that had the element of surprise on his side, dont assume that he is a better player -> any average player can stealh-gank unprepared people as it doesnt require much skill to do so...
hmm, my post ended up being way bigger than I originally intended...
I'll go over this quickly, but you can find the recipe elsewhere in this thread. You take a vampire dragon knight, the passives that reduce ultimate costs from DK, the vampire stage cost reduction, and mist form. With stage 4 vampirism, and the DK ultimate cost reduction, you end up with an ultimate that runs around 4 points. Which is extremely spamable. This makes for an almost impossible to kill panic button that can be fired off almost instantly.
I can't remember what the trick is to get damage resistance from enemies in the immediate proximity is, but with the vampire damage resist buff this can be pushed to, or nearly to 100%. Slap aoe damage off of bat swarm or the battle standard, pick up reflective scales to actually reflect bow powers and silver bolts back at your attacker...
Yeah, there is some pretty frightening synergies here. It's not completely unstoppable, but even for well coordinated teams, these guys are almost impossible to kill. Mist form also gives the vampire the ability to flee from a coordinated team, meaning actually locking them in place isn't an option.
Don't forget the heavy armor active ability that makes people immune to stuns and CC.1 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I'll go over this quickly, but you can find the recipe elsewhere in this thread. You take a vampire dragon knight, the passives that reduce ultimate costs from DK, the vampire stage cost reduction, and mist form. With stage 4 vampirism, and the DK ultimate cost reduction, you end up with an ultimate that runs around 4 points. Which is extremely spamable. This makes for an almost impossible to kill panic button that can be fired off almost instantly.
This is incorrect information.
DK CANNOT get Ultimate down to 4 (Only Sorcs Vamps have that theoretical possibility).
DK DOES NOT have ultimate cost reduction.
I wish people actually looked up correct information before posting instead of spreading rumours that are passing as truth.
You should check yours, sir. There are people on this thread that have stated how they do it.
EDIT: Excuse me. You can get ult to 49 as a DK. With various ult gain abilities you can then fill it in about 3 AoE attacks. Just ran it by some friends. They can also get 180+% dmg reduction with these mechanics, essentially popping mist form to become unkillable. The vamp swarm is just an oh *** button that let's them heal when they are in mist form.
You're right. That's MUCH more balanced.Edited by SunfireKnight86 on April 25, 2014 5:20PM1 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭If you leave this game cause of this then I have to say its weird. It's very likely for an mmorpg to be unbalanced from time to time especially at start.
I did witness a single former empress vampire take out a mass of people. And while there seems to be a logic explanation I do think it's a balance issue.
And for the people saying it are low lvls complaining it wasn't the case this time. We were like 50 people vs 1 at least 20
Of us were vet 1 to vet 10 and she just didn't die no matter what. Even if there is a way to kill her. She shouldn't be able to face a group of 50 alone in my opinion. Having 10 or 20 of these types would be an unstoppable force. And if it's a particular class build then everyone would have to go that class to make a difference. That shouldn't be the case.
Anyways it is as it is at this moment. Let zenimax deal with it (as goes for every bug, exploit whatever).
If it is me or us not understanding how this can happen, we will find out a way eventually and this issue is over.
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Inzababa✭✭✭problem is there is nothing I (we) can do.
I'm pvping every day all night and it's getting worse every day. I'm ranked 7 on my campaign, that doesn't mean I'm good and pro, just shows how much time I spend in here.
And it's getting to the point where there is literally no options, every where we go, there are now groups of vamps and we instant wipe.
If the numbers are ridiculously unbalanced we have a chance, but they even have 3 times more numbers than we do...
I don't pve, all I do is pvp cause that's what I love, until this GAME BREAKING bull *** started happening I was having a great time, a lot of my friends who were sceptical about ESO in the first place started being tempted to buy the game since we were having so much fun.
But NOW?
And not even one single comment from ESO?
I know you guys are reading this cause I've made other posts and you've replied instantly to them, the community managers are really active on these forums, so please, for the love of god, say something, acknowledge the problem, or even better bloody fix it before everyone goes to play wildstar or god knows what other mmo.
It"'s such a shame cause ESO has so much going for it...Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Inzababa✭✭✭sorry for double post but this is from the PVE side of things, friend shared the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWFDRDqO2M Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I'll go over this quickly, but you can find the recipe elsewhere in this thread. You take a vampire dragon knight, the passives that reduce ultimate costs from DK, the vampire stage cost reduction, and mist form. With stage 4 vampirism, and the DK ultimate cost reduction, you end up with an ultimate that runs around 4 points. Which is extremely spamable. This makes for an almost impossible to kill panic button that can be fired off almost instantly.
This is incorrect information.
DK CANNOT get Ultimate down to 4 (Only Sorcs Vamps have that theoretical possibility).
DK DOES NOT have ultimate cost reduction.
I wish people actually looked up correct information before posting instead of spreading rumours that are passing as truth.
You should check yours, sir. There are people on this thread that have stated how they do it.
EDIT: Excuse me. You can get ult to 49 as a DK. With various ult gain abilities you can then fill it in about 3 AoE attacks. Just ran it by some friends. They can also get 180+% dmg reduction with these mechanics, essentially popping mist form to become unkillable. The vamp swarm is just an oh *** button that let's them heal when they are in mist form.
You're right. That's MUCH more balanced.
No one has posted exactly how to get to 4 Ulti as a DK because its impossible.
The only class that can get to 4 Ulti is Sorc because of the Sorc passive.
As a DK I know this because all I have to do is look at my skills and see there is no ultimate reduction.
Somebody incorrectly stated that DK can get to 4 Ulti and it has been repeated by many incorrectly.
Ultimate gains BTW are not the same and you clearly aren't a DK to know how our ultimate gains works. They work from the Earthen Heart tree (Mountain Bless) on only when activating Earthen Heart abilities. Every AOE and damage skill you see a DK use comes from Ardent Flame or Draconic Power trees. So no, your hypothetical with ultimate gains from AoE is not correct either.
Edited by ThreeEyedCrow on April 25, 2014 6:02PMV12 Corporal
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sorry for double post but this is from the PVE side of things, friend shared the videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWFDRDqO2M
I must have missed it but I fail to understand what that video showed me. All I saw was a vampire running around killing things and using his bat swarm ulti when it was up.
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Evergreen✭✭✭Its not fair to nerf vampire skill line when the real problem is the DragonKnight skills combined with vampire skills. Darktalons needs to be nerfed regardless of being combined with the vampire ultimate. Darktalons is the only CC in the game that cannot be blocked, broken or countered with a cc immunity skill like immovable. In any other pvp oriented mmo this sort of obviously overpowered CC would not be tolerated. There is no way the skill was intended to work this way and no other class access to a CC this powerful.1 -
revanghost✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »revanghost wrote: »If people are using the game mechanics as they exist, how is the player at fault?
Seems like the people who made the game set the skills to be used in the way they're being used. Situations like these should have been caught during testing.
Exploiting bugs is against the Terms of Service for the game, that's how.
Also, this vamp thing has no weakness after a few fire runes. That is clearly not as intended unless they wanted everyone to have a god mode bunch of passives and powerful drains.
Dude, no one is going to get banned or in trouble for using the skills as they are set in the game. If someone is wall hacking or something, you have a point. But, getting all butthurt over someone stacking a skill line shouldn't result in them getting in trouble. At best, cry as loud as you can for Zeni to fix this asap.
I've seen the vids. It doesn't look like fun. But I'd also be yelling at the noobs trying to melee the vamp down, too. Personally, I only go into PvP anymore to do the kill daily. Any sustained PvP and I run into vets, which just totally destroy me. So, I will come back to PvP for sustained visits when I, too, am a vet.
How many people out there in PvP have tried to figure out how to take one of these emp/vet/vamps down? Other people claim 7/10 people in PvP are sorc/dk vamp vets. If that's true, the disparity is only present because the people crying haven't put the work in to become either a vamp or a vet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mATYE_Im5Xw
This emp is ambushed by a group, still nearly defeats all of them, but when down to 1v1, loses. This emp isn't even a vet. Don't know if it's a vamp. But emps aren't cake to take down. And if they are stacking a skill line that uses proximity to heal, then run away. But, people don't listen or care enough to understand.
It's far easier to come here and whine about it than to figure out what's actually going on and find a way to combat it. Then, if nothing can truly be done, if you engage a vamp/dk/sorc/emp/vet with a similarly powerful group and employ tactics that should result in a victory, then come back and talk about balancing.
But thinking you should be able to mow down an emp with a noob fest is not a good idea for pvp.
Edited by revanghost on April 25, 2014 6:32PM0 -
Inzababa✭✭✭joejccva71b14_ESO wrote: »sorry for double post but this is from the PVE side of things, friend shared the videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWFDRDqO2M
I must have missed it but I fail to understand what that video showed me. All I saw was a vampire running around killing things and using his bat swarm ulti when it was up.
Was there something special about it?
I don't even know, someone told me "here's a video showing perma swarm bug" and I shared it without watching it
I'm just totally depressed about this atm / Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Inzababa✭✭✭revanghost wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »revanghost wrote: »If people are using the game mechanics as they exist, how is the player at fault?
Seems like the people who made the game set the skills to be used in the way they're being used. Situations like these should have been caught during testing.
Exploiting bugs is against the Terms of Service for the game, that's how.
Also, this vamp thing has no weakness after a few fire runes. That is clearly not as intended unless they wanted everyone to have a god mode bunch of passives and powerful drains.
Dude, no one is going to get banned or in trouble for using the skills as they are set in the game. If someone is wall hacking or something, you have a point. But, getting all butthurt over someone stacking a skill line shouldn't result in them getting in trouble. At best, cry as loud as you can for Zeni to fix this asap.
I've seen the vids. It doesn't look like fun. But I'd also be yelling at the noobs trying to melee the vamp down, too. Personally, I only go into PvP anymore to do the kill daily. Any sustained PvP and I run into vets, which just totally destroy me. So, I will come back to PvP for sustained visits when I, too, am a vet.
How many people out there in PvP have tried to figure out how to take one of these emp/vet/vamps down? Other people claim 7/10 people in PvP are sorc/dk vamp vets. If that's true, the disparity is only present because the people crying haven't put the work in to become either a vamp or a vet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mATYE_Im5Xw
This emp is ambushed by a group, still nearly defeats all of them, but when down to 1v1, loses. This emp isn't even a vet. Don't know if it's a vamp. But emps aren't cake to take down. And if they are stacking a skill line that uses proximity to heal, then run away. But, people don't listen or care enough to understand.
It's far easier to come here and whine about it than to figure out what's actually going on and find a way to combat it. Then, if nothing can truly be done, if you engage a vamp/dk/sorc/emp/vet with a similarly powerful group and employ tactics that should result in a victory, then come back and talk about balancing.
But thinking you should be able to mow down an emp with a noob fest is not a good idea for pvp.
no one is whining about 1 vs 1
Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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Altaris16_ESOSoul Shriven
just wanted to share this for those who dont see the vamp ultimate spam problem. this is my lvl 37 sorc vamp. the way we r able to stack ultimate reduction atm. is to much. this skill can be cast again every 5 second nonstop. it takes no time at all to get the 10 ultimate points needed. this really needs to be fixed. this reduction is from sorc skills
Edit: from sorcerer passive vamp passive and 20% from green gear
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✭✭✭✭Altaris16_ESO wrote: »Edit: from sorcerer passive vamp passive and 20% from green gear
Dangit Men! We have been pitchforking the wrong castle! Leave the DK castle alone. To the Sorcerer Castle! Hut..Hut..Hut..Hut "Nerf Sorcerers! Rabble Rabble Rabble! Raise the pitchforks, Raise the torches don't stop shouting till their Corpses!" "Rawwwrrr"
(just kidding)Edited by Armitas on April 25, 2014 7:35PMRetired.
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jeradlub17_ESO✭✭✭Most of these players commenting on here defending this have no idea what they are talking about. Mage light against a vamp? WTF is that gonna do to help? It gives crit bonus and see invis only.
I would bet most of the detractors of the original poster are either vamps trying to avoid a nerf or wannabe vamps hoping to get it so they can have /godmode too. These types tend to cowher from fair fights. Anyone that's been in pvp has seen the op'ness of the vamp life tap ability and it has crap to do with tactics or any you need to learn to play crap. They just display their own stupidity with their l2p comments.
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✭✭✭✭✭jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »Most of these players commenting on here defending this have no idea what they are talking about. Mage light against a vamp? WTF is that gonna do to help? It gives crit bonus and see invis only.
In my defense, when I posted the thing about magelight, I was under the impression that the vampires were using an attack without breaking stealth. I've actually done that with my non-vampire nightblade against some mobs, so it was a reasonable guess. Needless to say, that's not the mechanic at work here, though.0 -
cjtignub17_ESO✭✭✭I fail to see what that shows. 10 ultimate or 50 ultimate u can generate that in a few seconds with alliance passive and gain ulti when take dmg bonus.
No sorc is going to run the dragon armor set. In order to get that cost u have to run sword and board which is far inferior than destro resto for a sorc. Also a negate magic or talons and kite the vamp = dead vamp.
Remember they take 50% more damage from fire. 50% more and far more if u debuff with weakness elements. Ultimate can cost 1 for all I care its a joke to kill these one hit wonders...0 -
cjtignub17_ESO✭✭✭If u think its a good build then by all means roll a vamp and enjoy getting 2 shot in pvp and 1 shot in pve..0
